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FreeRangeHexagon posted:bikers where I live are refusing to use the new bike lines that the local council installed because they are used to riding 3 to 4 abreast and they think it's unfair that they are expected to ride in single file Those are cyclists. Bikers ride motorcycles. Also they’re right. CopperHound posted:Post a picture of the bike lanes so I can call you an idiot. Why wait?
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FreeRangeHexagon posted:bikers where I live are refusing to use the new bike lines that the local council installed because they are used to riding 3 to 4 abreast and they think it's unfair that they are expected to ride in single file how full of trash, sewer grates, manhole covers, and uneven pavement are they?
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Dec 25, 2022 23:41
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My city has "bike lanes" where it's just a small sign on what otherwise is a highway. Sometimes there isn't even a sign and the "lane" only exists in a press release. My money is on a non-separated gutter though.
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Dec 25, 2022 23:43
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FreeRangeHexagon posted:bikers where I live are refusing to use the new bike lines that the local council installed because they are used to riding 3 to 4 abreast and they think it's unfair that they are expected to ride in single file
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Dec 26, 2022 03:49
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I love a bike lane that's just painting little bike glyphs on the shoulder of the road, especially when it's got like a 50 mph speed limit. Honestly might even be worse than sharrows (where they just paint a bike symbol in the middle of the street to... Remind drivers that bikes exist?) since those usually only turn up on pretty quiet residential streets, at least around here
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Dec 26, 2022 05:27
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I’ve seen sharrows on some absolutely insane roads lol
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Dec 26, 2022 05:37
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Oh I'm sure some glue sniffing dot somewhere painted some on a fuckin divided highway, I would be disappointed otherwise
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Dec 26, 2022 05:56
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hailthefish posted:I love a bike lane that's just painting little bike glyphs on the shoulder of the road, Bike witchcraft Circle of protection: cars
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Dec 26, 2022 07:36
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Sharrows have one useful purpose and that is  Try to ignore the see thru bibs. Note that this is a newish street treatment.
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Dec 26, 2022 07:42
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imo cars should have to drive single file
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Dec 26, 2022 10:53
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distortion park posted:post the cycle lane This is Melbourne, Australia, where the state government opened a bunch of cycle lanes during 2020/21 and is now slowly in the process of closing them. They all more or less look like the ones in this article with bright orange bollards that are slowly being removed. If there are any manhole covers or potholes on them I haven't seen them. I need to stress the big solution people are asking for isn't better bike lanes, but rather no bike lanes at all because they have decided that the concept of separate bike lanes in inherently unsafe. https://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/traffic-and-road-use/cycling/pop-up-bike-lanes 
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Dec 26, 2022 10:57
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If the bollards are flexible and/or being removed then they are less safe than riding in traffic. The false sense of security is easily and fatally intruded on by a wild car or illegal parking, while the cyclists are boxed in by traffic and the curb.
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Dec 26, 2022 11:12
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FreeRangeHexagon posted:This is Melbourne, Australia, where the state government opened a bunch of cycle lanes during 2020/21 and is now slowly in the process of closing them. They all more or less look like the ones in this article with bright orange bollards that are slowly being removed. If there are any manhole covers or potholes on them I haven't seen them. I need to stress the big solution people are asking for isn't better bike lanes, but rather no bike lanes at all because they have decided that the concept of separate bike lanes in inherently unsafe.  not a pop up, but tbh I wouldn't use the bike lane at that junction either. anyway, I can't find any press quotes from melbourne about better bike lanes being bad for cyclists in general, just a lot of stuff like this quote:Victorian Chamber of Commerce and Industry chief executive Paul Guerra also weighed in this week, saying road changes introduced during the pandemic had caused congestion. distortion park has issued a correction as of 11:15 on Dec 26, 2022 |
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Dec 26, 2022 11:12
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In fact the most relevant quote from a local cycling group *is* calling for better oneshttps://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/causing-mayhem-pop-up-bike-lanes-in-port-phillip-a-danger-to-cyclists-review-finds-20221114-p5by0o.html posted:Julie Clutterbuck, from the Port Phillip Bicycle Users Group, said the biggest improvement for cycling safety and accessibility in the area would have been a separated bike lane along Kerferd Road in Albert Park.
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Dec 26, 2022 11:14
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distortion park posted:“Not everybody rides a bike in. Not everybody catches a train. Not everybody goes to the theatre on a bicycle. Not everybody goes to a nice restaurant on a bicycle either,” he said. “So I reckon we need a rethink.” Absolutely agreed. We need to rethink so that everyone will use trains and bikes.
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https://twitter.com/strombo/status/1606914353693089792
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Dec 26, 2022 12:20
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Lol I've got an uncle who could 200% be on both sides of that conversation
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Dec 26, 2022 14:19
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drivers are three abreast and refuse to drive otherwise even when they are the only one in the car. no human needs 12 feet of lane. it is the self-centered idiocy of the driver that causes the problem, not bicyclists who are actually four people riding next to each other
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https://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory/explainer-2023-tax-credits-evs-boost-appeal-95826819 lol quote:Certain EV brands that were eligible for a separate tax credit that began in 2010 and that will end this year may not be eligible for the new credit. Several EV models made by Kia, Hyundai and Audi, for example, won't qualify at all because they are manufactured outside North America.
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distortion park posted:In fact the most relevant quote from a local cycling group *is* calling for better ones I think I should clarify, I'm not saying that every single person who rides a bike is mad at the concept of protected bike lanes. There are supporters of the concept, of course there are, it wouldn't have gotten off the ground if there weren't. I am also talking about a system that has been built pretty haphazardly without a common style guide over the last year or two, so it has what can be generously described as teething problems. What I'm talking about are our version of what in America would be known as "vehicular cyclists", ie. people that believe bicycles should be treated as cars. And as such are mad at the existence of bike lanes because they don't view it as bikes having gained at the expense of cars. But rather as bikes having had their right to the entire road taken away after being forced into a tiny rump state at the side of the road. Which to clarify, isn't their call for bikes to be given sole right to the entire road, but rather for bikes to be... treated as cars, like I said. I have a mate who works for the Port Phillip city council who told me his main job at the moment is dealing with people who are mad about bike lanes. Of course, among this crowd are motorists mad that part of the road has been taken from them and homeowners who are worried about their property values. But the thing that shocked me is that apparently a lot of the complaints are from cyclists who are offended at the idea that they should need bike lanes. Again, not every single cyclist, but the fact that there's enough of them that they are an important faction that he has to deal with was surprising to me. It's the big issue at the moment, apparently. I also apologise for not proving that the bike lanes here aren't full of open manholes, I honestly didn't think of that when I made that post that people are mad at. I guess I forgot how poo poo infrastructure is in some places, so I didn't think that needed explaining. I wasn't trying to trick people into thinking that the city wasn't full of open manholes. I just kind of assumed that unless I explicitly stated otherwise people would take it on faith that this wasn't the case. And I guess I was wrong. 
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the future is golf carts according to the think tanks https://twitter.com/DavidZipper/status/1607384481333223427?s=20&t=oFS-ekHythN0vDEKUcJvaQ https://twitter.com/DavidZipper/status/1607389616398548994?s=20&t=oFS-ekHythN0vDEKUcJvaQ https://twitter.com/DavidZipper/status/1607450554279825408?s=20&t=oFS-ekHythN0vDEKUcJvaQ
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FreeRangeHexagon posted:I think I should clarify, I'm not saying that every single person who rides a bike is mad at the concept of protected bike lanes. There are supporters of the concept, of course there are, it wouldn't have gotten off the ground if there weren't. I am also talking about a system that has been built pretty haphazardly without a common style guide over the last year or two, so it has what can be generously described as teething problems. What I'm talking about are our version of what in America would be known as "vehicular cyclists", ie. people that believe bicycles should be treated as cars. And as such are mad at the existence of bike lanes because they don't view it as bikes having gained at the expense of cars. But rather as bikes having had their right to the entire road taken away after being forced into a tiny rump state at the side of the road. Which to clarify, isn't their call for bikes to be given sole right to the entire road, but rather for bikes to be... treated as cars, like I said.
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I say poo poo like "don't put pike lanes adjacent to parked cars" and then people think I'm a vehicular cyclists because I choose to ride in the lane.
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distortion park posted:imo cars should have to drive single file to hide their numbers
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Dec 26, 2022 21:55
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we put in a bike lane that everyone hates, including the cyclists. this is clearly the fault of those ungrateful loving car-hating cyclists
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Atrocious Joe posted:the future is golf carts according to the think tanks Covid was nice because a friend of mine with limited mobility was able to get a nice golf cart cheap which has really improved her life.
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Dec 26, 2022 22:07
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My mom lives in a city full of retirees and golf carts. They almost get it, and it makes me think golf carts really are a potential bridge away from cars.
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Dec 26, 2022 22:09
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Delete two of the wheels and you’ve got yourself a real means of transportation!
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withak posted:Delete two of the wheels and you’ve got yourself a real means of transportation! To be fair they are old and constantly injuring themselves doing the simplest tasks. They need three-wheeled ebikes or something.
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BRAKE FOR MOOSE posted:we put in a bike lane that everyone hates, including the cyclists. this is clearly the fault of those ungrateful loving car-hating cyclists see? we put one in and they kept bitching anyway. they don't even want to use it. this is why you should never build bike lanes
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Fitzy Fitz posted:My mom lives in a city full of retirees and golf carts. They almost get it, and it makes me think golf carts really are a potential bridge away from cars. Obviously just as a transitional thing but I think it could be an interesting sort of trick to make this stuff more appealing to americans in the hope that they will eventually change their mind about what they want
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Dec 26, 2022 22:50
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The fun thing about LSVs is that they are often banned from roads with over 45mph speed limits, so maybe we could get some more low speed roads if they reach a critical mass.
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Car -> Cart seems less jarring than Car -> Bike & could be a nice way to get folks with carbrain to see their interests align with us sicko-coastal-elitists that want to ride (e)bikes everywhere. "Hey, if you invest in this infrastructure in your neighborhood, you could ride an electric golf cart in it and avoid traffic!"
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the real electric vehicle was right there on the links all the time
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mystes posted:Yeah I don't think golf carts are really the solution and I understand why some people are annoyed when they get suggested, but I honestly think that just trying to make towns usable with golf carts would actually result in a lot of massive improvements and if you got enough old people using them (even they probably shouldn't be driving golf carts if they can't drive cars) it actually could cause some pretty major shifts to infrastructure in places like florida that would probably also help pedestrians and cyclists, in addition to the pretty big benefit of just getting more people into smaller/slower vehicles Ultra-compact ✅ Safe urban speeds ✅ Non-isolating ✅ Good visibility ✅ Relatively low weight ✅ It's got my vote
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I posted about the golf cart pill many pages ago thnx
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 e-trikes are gaining popularity here in the Philippines because: A. don't require gas B. stable enough to ride relatively safely by everyone C. roomy enough for multiple people to ride (ergo, families) D. don't require any license (legal loophole) E. large and fast enough to be taken on a lot of roads the most basic model there on the left costs about 35,000 PHP, or 630 USD, while the one on the right costs about 1,000 USD
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Polaris makes NEVs that'll get the lifted truck chuds on board
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mystes posted:Yeah I don't think golf carts are really the solution and I understand why some people are annoyed when they get suggested, but I honestly think that just trying to make towns usable with golf carts would actually result in a lot of massive improvements and if you got enough old people using them (even they probably shouldn't be driving golf carts if they can't drive cars) It is so much harder to kill someone with a golf cart than with a car. They're much lighter, they can't go anywhere near as fast, and the fact that they're open means you have much better situational awareness. There are millions of people in America who shouldn't be driving cars who would be fine handling a golf cart.
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yeah I think trying to position golf carts as a just-wave-a-magic-wand solution to everything (the way stupid people do with electric cars) is dumb but they are imho absolutely a valid path for decreasing car-ification in the ways that electric cars absolutely aren't: they're lighter, they're smaller, they're slower, and these are all good things. for example, it's possible for normal humans to share the road on a bike on a road intended to be used with golf carts, without being flatly suicidal the way vehicular cycling in fully car oriented infrastructure tends to be vehicular cycling nutjobs are stupid and I hate them, you're not ~ceding your right to use the whole road~ by building a (good) protected bike lane, you're extending the right to travel by bike to all the people who are terrified of being in traffic pedaling themselves into a heart attack surrounded by two ton metal hulks hurtling past at 50 miles an hour driven by people who actively want to kill them. vehicular cycling is elitist and counterproductive to the goal of increasing bike use, if you want more people to ride bikes more often you need to make infrastructure choices that provide a safe and efficient way to do so, just yelling at people that legally they have the right to ~claim the lane~ and drive just like a car only teaches people that cycling is an insane hobby for suicidal orthodontists with a fetish for lycra car bad, bike good, golfcart acceptable
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