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Any established head coach that the Broncos interview probably has two requirements: 1) overpay me 2) do not fire me based on Russ sucking If ownership is not willing to do that, they'll get a C tier candidate at best.
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Dec 26, 2022 22:22
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Nervous posted:Nooooooo I think they can still comfortably manage to lose out against the Chiefs (in Arrowhead no less) and Chargers with or without Hackett’s talents. Then again the Panthers immediately got better when Rhule was fired, and the Chargers are the Chargers. So that last game could be feisty.
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Dec 26, 2022 22:35
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Denver has been a dogshit franchise for a while now and Russ, at a point in time where he had options, wanted to go there so who knows. People around the league might think higher of them than they should.
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solarjetman posted:Any established head coach that the Broncos interview probably has two requirements: 1) overpay me 2) do not fire me based on Russ sucking I think Plan A for any coach coming in is to fix Russ. It's going to be awfully difficult to win in Denver for anyone unless they get some kind of value out of him. Plan B is that anyone coming in will want control of the roster, then they wont have to play Russ if he isn't working out, and they can potentially draft or sign a replacement.
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Simplex posted:I think Plan A for any coach coming in is to fix Russ. It's going to be awfully difficult to win in Denver for anyone unless they get some kind of value out of him. Plan B is that anyone coming in will want control of the roster, then they wont have to play Russ if he isn't working out, and they can potentially draft or sign a replacement. Russ has to want to be fixed, I don’t think he sees himself as the problem.
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mcmagic posted:Denver has been a dogshit franchise for a while now and Russ, at a point in time where he had options, wanted to go there so who knows. People around the league might think higher of them than they should. The perception of Denver since their Super Bowl win (can you really be a dogshit franchise if you won a superbowl 7 years ago after a string of very successful seasons?) has been that they’re struggling because they can’t find a QB. Tampa was bad for a lot longer and Tom still went there because they had a lot of talent but QB play was killing then. I assume Russ picked Denver because he assumed he could have similar success and he’s obviously arrogant enough to believe that he can make any coach look good. Besides, what made it appealing to Russ is that they didn’t have a QB that’s worth a poo poo which is not the same thing that will appeal to a Coach or GM.
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denver was a good franchise until right now. or i guess there are like 3 franchises that aren't dogshit. either or
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Hackett has been dogshit ever since he was OC at Buffalo under Marrone, he really is emblematic of the NFL culture of failing up for mediocre white guys
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MJeff posted:Maybe, but they're gonna be looking for someone who can fix Russ and they may look at the way Goff played this year and think Johnson can do it. Quinn can coach defense, but there had better be an outstanding offense in place for one of his teams to be at it. Quinn cannot coach up an offense to save his life and this was with a Matt Ryan that was still pretty good. I have no beef with Denver, but I admit that seeing someone else suffer with Quinn as a head coach would entertain me a lot. Also, 28-3
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Paracausal posted:Hackett has been dogshit ever since he was OC at Buffalo under Marrone, he really is emblematic of the NFL culture of failing up for mediocre white guys Nothing guarantees NFL promotions like being a white dude who is liked by a HoF QB.
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Simplex posted:I think Plan A for any coach coming in is to fix Russ. It's going to be awfully difficult to win in Denver for anyone unless they get some kind of value out of him. Plan B is that anyone coming in will want control of the roster, then they wont have to play Russ if he isn't working out, and they can potentially draft or sign a replacement. yeah realistically there is no point in bringing in anyone who Russ doesn't want to work with and someone who doesnt want to work with Russ. There is no getting rid of that contract unless they trade it away to someone willing to accept the salary dump of all salary dumps - and that would likely require multiple first round picks they dont have - so you _have_ to fix russ or your franchise is dead for 3 years. Yikes.
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Defensive head coach just means Russ can cycle through OCs year after year. The only way Russ improves is if someone has more leverage than he does and can tell him No. And that's also the only way the coach lasts more than two years and keeps whatever reputation he had.
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Noticed that Hackett is a 50/50 split of Lane Kiffin and Tom Hanks and haven't been able to really move on with my day since.
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adaz posted:yeah realistically there is no point in bringing in anyone who Russ doesn't want to work with and someone who doesnt want to work with Russ. There is no getting rid of that contract unless they trade it away to someone willing to accept the salary dump of all salary dumps - and that would likely require multiple first round picks they dont have - so you _have_ to fix russ or your franchise is dead for 3 years. I think herein lies the issue. With their current talent level their best path forward is to either just bite the bullet and send something to someone along with Russ in a salary dump and suck for another two years, or try to build a run heavy offense with flooding crossing routes that they have the receivers and backs (when healthy) to do but I can't see Russ being happy with the offense not being focused on him and his brand.
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AAAAA! Real Muenster posted:Noticed that Hackett is a 50/50 split of Lane Kiffin and Tom Hanks and haven't been able to really move on with my day since. "WILSON!!!" -Nathaniel Hackett probably
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Cross-post of the work Chris James 2 did for my request of recent Jags coaches in the Week 16 aftermath thread...Chris James 2 posted:Jaguars HCs, 2012-now (where they are now): ..to say this: a Jaguar coach from the last 10 years (excepting Mel Tucker, who was left over from relatively good years) is like a piece of furniture that has been left next to an apartment trash dumpster. If you can't tell what's wrong with it, that is a problem with your perception and not a positive quality of something someone else has thrown away. Those OCs are like futon mattresses in context of the metaphor.
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So what would the Saints reasonably demand for the rights to Payton and Fangio? They need the picks so they’re in no position to just let him go.
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Cognac McCarthy posted:I'm hearing a lot of HC buzz around Ed Donatell. So much of it in fact that he should probably just resign so he can practice on his interview technique No one would laugh louder at this than Vikings fans.
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Diva Cupcake posted:So what would the Saints reasonably demand for the rights to Payton and Fangio? They need the picks so they’re in no position to just let him go. 2 seconds and or a 2nd and some change probably.
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R.D. Mangles posted:fine, i will coach the denver broncos Thank you for your sacrifice
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R.D. Mangles posted:fine, i will coach the denver broncos hire me as OC and we'll run the Tecmo playbook
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Major Operation posted:..to say this: a Jaguar coach from the last 10 years (excepting Mel Tucker, who was left over from relatively good years) is like a piece of furniture that has been left next to an apartment trash dumpster. If you can't tell what's wrong with it, that is a problem with your perception and not a positive quality of something someone else has thrown away. Little off topic in the NFL hot seat thread but this name jumped out at me too, although for different reasons. It's too early to say with Mel but there's a distinct possibility he's the Russell Wilson of coaches, although college has been getting incredibly stupid with coaching contracts and a bunch of them don't look good as of now (hey Jimbo, hey Mario). He got that bag after his one good year as a HC (10 years, 95 million guaranteed with no buyout?) and then he fell flat on his face this year. I don't even know if falling flat on his face counts, he just went back to what he'd been before that one 11-2 outlier of a year. He's got time to try to turn it around and apparently he's recruiting well--or at least well for the Spartans. So unless he pisses off some very, very, very rich people he's going to be around Michigan State for a while.
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AAAAA! Real Muenster posted:Noticed that Hackett is a 50/50 split of Lane Kiffin and Tom Hanks and haven't been able to really move on with my day since. Early season Nathaniel Hackett vs. late season Nathaniel Hackett with a mustache and wearing all black should be more of a meme IMO.
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fartknocker posted:hire me as OC and we'll run the Tecmo playbook Have Russ run into his own end zone then throw a bomb to the other end zone?
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Chucktesla posted:Joe Lombardi is a war criminal I hate him
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R.D. Mangles posted:fine, i will coach the denver broncos Can I be DC? I'll run cover 0 all game long.
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If you can get a Sean Payton/Vic Fangio combo to run your team basically every team in the NFL other than like 4 or 5 should fire their coaching staff and do it.
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It's gonna be an interesting offseason to see where Payton ends up, or he stays in broadcasting another year to see if a better option materializes. Staley managing to turn the Chargers around and clinch a playoff berth despite all the injuries they've suffered along with the  move of giving Spanos the game ball last night, PLUS Dean's inherent cheapness who probably doesn't want to fire a guy two seasons in, likely saved his job. And IF Fat Mike doesn't get eliminated in the Wild Card and can at least have a competitive losing effort against the Eagles in the divisional round, Jerry will probably give him another season. He always tends to be loyal to his coaches and give them longer than they often deserve.Those always seemed like the two likely potential openings Sean would want most. If they aren't available, would he take that Broncos job with that albatross Wilson contract? If the Ravens fired Harbaugh would he convince the owner to pay Lamar what he wants and help them take the next step? Arizona despite the dysfunction because he'd wanna work with Kyler and help him mature?
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It's going to be interesting to see Eric Bienemy being one of the few coaches who would take the Broncos' job and put him back in Colorado but the Broncos won't offer it to him because he interviews poorly or whatever and they'll hire someone with 1/10th his experience who will totally fail again but hey he's white at least
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kiimo posted:It's going to be interesting to see Eric Bienemy being one of the few coaches who would take the Broncos' job and put him back in Colorado but the Broncos won't offer it to him because he interviews poorly or whatever and they'll hire someone with 1/10th his experience who will totally fail again but hey he's white at least Nobody has wanted Bienemy for years including teams that went on to hire other black coaches. Maybe the guy really is just a tremendous rear end in a top hat.
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Kull the Conqueror posted:If the Broncos interview process doesn’t include a game management standardized test then they will have learned nothing “It’s 1st and 10 from your own 25 yard line after a touchback on the opening kickoff. Please choose the best play to call in that situation: A) Power run behind the left guard B) Reverse to the wide receiver C) Spider 2-Y Banana D) Da Bomb E) Call a timeout then punt” D obviously
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YOLOsubmarine posted:Nobody has wanted Bienemy for years including teams that went on to hire other black coaches. Maybe the guy really is just a tremendous rear end in a top hat. Sounds like he's the hero we need
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YOLOsubmarine posted:Nobody has wanted Bienemy for years including teams that went on to hire other black coaches. Maybe the guy really is just a tremendous rear end in a top hat. Wasn't the rumor that he really hates analytics?
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YOLOsubmarine posted:Nobody has wanted Bienemy for years including teams that went on to hire other black coaches. Maybe the guy really is just a tremendous rear end in a top hat. Yeah I think he may just be a poor candidate. Chiefs have two of these kind of fellas, Toub and Bienemy.
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