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mawarannahr posted:glad to hear revolutions is bad and that I saved myself from listening to a single episode Frosted Flake posted:
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Charles was the last Hapsburg emperor, beatifying him sort of feels like a familial participation trophy. Anyway I'm sure Carrol has some very normal takes on St. Oscar Romero
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Christians are such cornball assholes, here's some excerpts of Carroll's Rise and Fall of the Communist Revolution from a 1996 First Things article by one Richard John Neuhaus: https://www.firstthings.com/article/1996/11/the-taming-of-the-churchquote:The defeat of the Communist Revolution was, above all, an act of God and an answer to prayer—the millionfold prayers of its victims rising to Heaven when almost no one but God would listen to them. When Lenin and his Communists took over Russia in 1917, many of the intellectuals of the West applauded, and most refused to listen to the evidence of the enormous evil of Communist rule, or blackened the reputation of those bold enough to tell the truth about it. When Stalin and his Communists took over Eastern Europe after World War II, and Mao and his Communists took over China, a significant proportion of intellectuals (especially in Europe) still defended Stalin, and most intellectuals throughout the West defended Mao. The United States developed a policy of containment of communism only over the vehement objections of intellectuals, who were able to gain enough support to prevent the adoption of a policy of liberation. The hundreds of millions conquered or victimized by communism were thus abandoned to an eternity of slavery. Only to God could they now cry; and to God they did cry. God heard them—and raised up as rescuers humble men who still believed in Him: Pope John Paul II, Lech Walesa, Father Gleb Yakunin and his like, and the holy warriors of Afghanistan. quote:After these, Mikhail Gorbachev—though clearly not a man of God—must be given his due. By breaking the political chains of the Communist system he made its ultimate destruction possible. We are still not sure why he did it. We may never know. But the Christian may well believe that, through the mystery of grace and the power of the omnipotent, God also had a hand in this, as part of His answer to the prayers. quote:Warren Carroll has no doubt about communism being an ersatz religion, and he ends his massive work with this passage from Whittaker Chambers’ classic memoir, Witness: Looking at his wiki, typical fraud Christian intellectual: quote:Carroll has received numerous awards throughout his academic career. Christendom College, the school he founded, awarded him an honorary doctorate in humane letters in 1999, its Pro Deo et Patria Award for Distinguished Service to God and Country in 2007, and its inaugural Queen Isabel Catholic Vision of History Award in 2007. The Society of Catholic Social Scientists, an organization of which he was a board member, named him its inaugural recipient of the Pius XI Award in history in 1995. I suggest reading the whole, long article for a delightful collection of passive aggressive whining by Neuhaus Dr. Jerrold Coe has issued a correction as of 20:34 on Dec 26, 2022 |
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It's great reading poo poo like this: Neuhaus was criticized for his political engagement as "theoconservatism".[12][13] In contrast, the theologian David Bentley Hart described Neuhaus as "a reflective, intelligent, self-possessed, generous, and principled man, is opinionated (definitely), but not at all spiteful or resentful towards those who disagree with him; words like "absolutist" are vacuous abstractions when applied to him. His magazine publishes articles that argue (sometimes quite forcibly) views contrary to his own, and he seems quite pleased that it should do so.[14]" on a guys wikipedia when you can do 5 seconds of googling and find him being a nasty little baby bitch about gender equality or not giving homos the death penalty. is there another pundit subset out there with as much unearned smugness paired with self pity as reactionary Christians? Neuhaus was an "unofficial" advisor to George W. Bush by the way and his wiki credits him with all the anti-gay, anti-stem cell, anti-abortion crap the administration rolled out. lmao Newsweek's obit for him said "Father Richard John Neuhaus's work will be remembered and debated for decades." sorry its all trash and served its purpose in the moment, only to be flushed away so Ben Shapiro or whoever can step up with the latest distraction, only for Shapiro to be forgotten for the next replaceable talking head, etc. Dr. Jerrold Coe has issued a correction as of 20:46 on Dec 26, 2022 |
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Frosted Flake posted:I found much, much hotter takes yesterday and I'm reading it while I wait for a flight back east: The Lady of Fatima digression aaaaaaaaaaaaaa
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In his the first volume on his World History, he describes the Indus Valley civilization as evil communism.India Understander posted:The other monolith (Mesopotamia, Egypt being the first two- FF) was the still stranger civilization known as the Harap pa, from one of its two chief cities in the Indus River valley in northwestern India. Though probably also stimulated by Mesopotamia's example, since the Sumerians were periodically in contact with the Indus valley by sea, the form of its writing developed so differently from any other that there appears to be little hope of ever translating the few written records of the Harappa civiliza tion which have survived. Aside from archeological remains, the only clues to its nature come from its ultimate conquerors, the Aryans whose triumph was recorded in the Vedas. The Vedas tell how invaders from the north overwhelmed a dark-skinned people huddled behind walls, the Dasyus. An Indian historian writes: There’s way more but lol it goes into really weird places. His model of Indian = Communist seems to draw from the Naxalite–Maoist insurgency coming from southern India, but uh uncomfortably seems to also consider it related to their darker skin or something, which is far too much for me to untangle.
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Very Normal Academic Writing an Ecclesiastical History posted:Historians, hobbled by a prejudice against "value judgments" (except for those, like the modern Western economic interpretation of history, of which they are largely or entirely unconscious because of familiarity) are not suppos ed to deal with this kind of question. Yet any attempt at serious consideration of Indian history which fails to do so becomes rank absurdity. For the primary characteristic of Indian history, before and outside the Impact of the West, is that it hardly exists; and the reason it hardly exists is that almost no one bothered to write it, because in view of the endless cycle of rebirth and the illusory nature and/or positive evil of all temporal activity of existence, which Indian philosophy taught, there was no point in writing it. No Indian writing of any kind, earlier than about 250 B.C. , survives; nor is there good evidence ofany great lost written works before then. Alexander the Great first gave India the idea of large-scale political organization. But the shocks from him and from later Greek penetrators were like stones falling into a still pond, producing long slow ripples which eventually died away into stillness again. Not until Islam hammers into India with fire and scimitar does she at last begin to open her eyes; not until the British raj is the nightmarish sleep at last cast off. Is he defending or attacking economics there?
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that's some decent Lovecraft homage tbh
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The new project that Duncan has lined up sounds insanely boring. A podcast on history books. I liked Revolutions and I'm thankful for it introducing me to wild rides like the Mexican Revolution, but yeah season 10 had so many red flags (no pun intended) that it's made me retrospectively doubt the veracity of all the other seasons, which is a shame. But it entertained me during commutes and work at least.
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Her Dryer posted:The new project that Duncan has lined up sounds insanely boring. A podcast on history books. For a brief moment after the Haitian series, I thought he was starting to radicalize a bit, but noooope.
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good chapo ep
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Demon_Corsair posted:For a brief moment after the Haitian series, I thought he was starting to radicalize a bit, but noooope. me too, but it really gave me a better understanding of stuff like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbD1XDhKr8U yes, liberals will be outraged about the right things (sometimes) yes, you may think ‘this is their crack-ping moment’ but as soon as the question “then what is to be done?” comes up, they fall back into reflexive defense of existing structures. sure that famine was bad, but it was just one bad king. sure this war was awful, but you can’t, like, do a revolution about it or anything. you can’t support violent revolutionaries, real change happens through peaceful protest and raising awareness. vote!
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Farm Frenzy posted:good chapo ep can't believe what they said about drawfee and dave chapelle
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I thought Duncan was remarkably measured when talking about Stalin, and was refreshingly not regurgitating Orwellian narratives about Trotsky or other frequent Left Anti-communism talking points. Duncan's liberalism did express itself in other ways (he liked Makhno a lot), but I didn't find him to be an unreliable narrator. I had more issues with how he handled Haiti despite how the story supposedly transformed his thinking.
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Echo Chamber posted:I thought Duncan was remarkably measured when talking about Stalin, and was refreshingly not regurgitating Orwellian narratives about Trotsky or other frequent Left Anti-communism talking points. no he definitely made a hard right turn at the kornilov affair and never looked back. from then on most of every episode was blaming the bolsheviks for everything. ffs they saved the provisional government during the kornilov affair, and duncan both downplayed the bolshevik’s role and played up the whole thing as a biiig good-intentioned misunderstanding by brave russian patriots. i remember because he took pains to describe how kornilov’s own aide saying they’d get rid of kerensky after the coup was just a joke by the guy, not anything serious. imo he’s absolutely an unreliable narrator from that point onward
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Driving home from my parents' yesterday and my wife asks me to turn up the latest Tech Won't Save Us episode on the FTX crash. Trying to determine if she is specifically anti-crypto or just likes hearing about famous people crashing and burning in spectacular fashion.gradenko_2000 posted:https://twitter.com/mikeduncan/status/1607131724038782978?t=grdBDnuvWQe81LeuT1KnbQ&s=19 Hello it me. I have a pretty clear memory of rolling into work as an episode of his English Revolution (maybe early in the American one?) series was finishing up, nine years two job and eight hundred miles ago. Liked the show overall but probably going to be slow to pick up his next series as I'm pretty sure I finished binging History of Rome just before he started this series back in 2013. That's too much Mike Duncan for anyone to put themselves through without a break! He talks in this final episode about his transition from lib to something like a leftist as the series progressed (especially beginning with his French Revolution season) and how he helped, to whatever small extent, bring the Haitian Revolution back into the public eye. Obviously he's going to say whatever he thinks will make him sound the best but I think there was a tonal shift over time, especially the present-day public has started to lean leftward in some spaces as the podcast series has run its course. Apraxin posted:mike duncan suddenly struck by a feeling of psychic discomfort that he can't quite place https://twitter.com/Grimezsz/status/1607223866551861249
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C-Euro posted:Driving home from my parents' yesterday and my wife asks me to turn up the latest Tech Won't Save Us episode on the FTX crash. Trying to determine if she is specifically anti-crypto or just likes hearing about famous people crashing and burning in spectacular fashion. it seemed that way, up until he made a sharp right-hand turn after Nicky abdicated. he’s not a leftist: Cpt_Obvious posted:Is the Revolutions podcast accurate in its depiction of the collapse of the Bolsheviks popularity? Sometimes I listen to that podcast and it sounds a bit like they exaggerate some stuff like when they were comparing the white pogroms to the red ones as though they were in the same ballpark. MeatwadIsGod posted:He comes up pretty often in the modern history thread. Cross-quoting gradenko who posted a transcript of a Revolutions episode:
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personally I think it’s gross that duncan drew a false equivalency between the “judeo-bolshevism is real and the jews must be slaughtered” Russian Whites and the “equal rights for jews, minister of war is a jew” Russian Reds. he then goes on to claim symon petliura wasn’t aware of the pogroms, they were all conducted by his underlings without his knowledge and he was just a brave patriot with good intentions like kerensky
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all ducan did was regurgitate The Black Jacobins. I hated that dude before it was cool to hate em
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lobotomy molo posted:no he definitely made a hard right turn at the kornilov affair and never looked back. from then on most of every episode was blaming the bolsheviks for everything. ffs they saved the provisional government during the kornilov affair, and duncan both downplayed the bolshevik’s role and played up the whole thing as a biiig good-intentioned misunderstanding by brave russian patriots. i remember because he took pains to describe how kornilov’s own aide saying they’d get rid of kerensky after the coup was just a joke by the guy, not anything serious. imo he’s absolutely an unreliable narrator from that point onward Carroll seems to understand that better, though obviously he takes it to some weird places. Get ready to think of Kornilov in a whole new way: quote:It is all too characteristic of modern historiography that virtually every account of the Russian Revolution and of Kornilov 's attempted coup states or implies that Kornilov went to the shrine of the Iberian Virgin because he sought to link himself in some ritualistic quasi-political way with the Czars who had prayed there before being crowned—despite the fact that Kornilov is known to have been totally opposed (as nearly everyone in Russia was) to any restoration of the Romanov dyansty. It seems to have occurred to no one even to consider the possibility that he was actually there to beg the Blessed Virgin Mary's help. Carroll also seems to sincerely respect Lenin, he writes about him more or less as a Catholic saint in character, but not in belief.
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Frosted Flake posted:Carroll seems to understand that better, though obviously he takes it to some weird places. Get ready to think of Kornilov in a whole new way: see that at least I can respect. there’s an ideology that they’re consistent about
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Frosted Flake posted:Carroll also seems to sincerely respect Lenin, he writes about him more or less as a Catholic saint in character, but not in belief. this was what clued me in tbh, because i don't understand how it's possible to not be impressed with lenin being stridently opposed to the pointless slaughter that was WWI. i can't contort myself the model necessary to speak on good terms of anyone who would want to continue that war Brain Candy has issued a correction as of 02:26 on Dec 28, 2022 |
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Have you guys considered that maybe you're just wrong about these Bolkshevik fellas, or whaztever hte disagreement with Mike is?
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since im too lazy to PM everyone, anyone that's using my podcast feeds may need to update the links from http:// to https:// podurama decided to poo poo the bed and stop playing non-ssl cert feeds so that finally kicked me in the rear end to setup a letsencrypt cert on my nas. now it seems to be working
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Quotey posted:Have you guys considered that maybe you're just wrong about these Bolkshevik fellas, or whaztever hte disagreement with Mike is? No
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Xaris posted:since im too lazy to PM everyone, anyone that's using my podcast feeds may need to update the links from [url]http://[/url] to [url]https://[/url] podurama decided to poo poo the bed and stop playing non-ssl cert feeds so that finally kicked me in the rear end to setup a letsencrypt cert on my nas. now it seems to be working Thanks for the heads up
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Quotey posted:Have you guys considered that maybe you're just wrong about these Bolkshevik fellas, or whaztever hte disagreement with Mike is? i just considered it and it turns out i was right
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crepeface posted:i just considered it and it turns out i was right
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Quotey posted:Have you guys considered that maybe you're just wrong about these Bolkshevik fellas, or whaztever hte disagreement with Mike is? I’m a Rlm thread poster and got real confused here
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Xaris posted:since im too lazy to PM everyone, anyone that's using my podcast feeds may need to update the links from [url]http://[/url] to [url]https://[/url] podurama decided to poo poo the bed and stop playing non-ssl cert feeds so that finally kicked me in the rear end to setup a letsencrypt cert on my nas. now it seems to be working idk how to check that through pocketcasts, guess ill see which ones survive
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i think its silly to say that duncan "took a hard right turn" or isnt a leftist or whatever. there are plenty of people on the left with bad takes on the soviets. its a big tent of dumb assholes we live in
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err posted:idk how to check that through pocketcasts, guess ill see which ones survive quote:
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jacques nooo
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studio mujahideen posted:i think its silly to say that duncan "took a hard right turn" or isnt a leftist or whatever. there are plenty of people on the left with bad takes on the soviets. its a big tent of dumb assholes we live in lol, who cares if he's a 'leftist'. he can have that useless label his analysis is bad, his brain got stuck into a mode where it removed all context on a podcast about history. people should not listen to that part, what's weird is thinking that this is saying something moral
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studio mujahideen posted:i think its silly to say that duncan "took a hard right turn" or isnt a leftist or whatever. there are plenty of people on the left with bad takes on the soviets. its a big tent of dumb assholes we live in The people I follow have to be 100% consistent or else any good opinion they have is wholly invalidated by thinking wrong about one thing. I'm a leftist
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Marx was a TERF
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Futanari Damacy posted:The people I follow have to be 100% consistent or else any good opinion they have is wholly invalidated by thinking wrong about one thing. I'm a leftist nah, i'm willing to talk even with the dumbest rear end in a top hat
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I liked History of Rome and most of Revolutions, but he was never going have a great take on the Russian Revolution, there's just far too much bad liberal historiography out there on it to blind him That his next podcast is going to be reviewing history books is going to be really telling, watch them review Snyder or Applebaum glowingly at some point
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will only be listening to liberal podcasts in 2023
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