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15 | 3.71% |
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115 | 28.47% |
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12 | 2.97% |
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67 | 16.58% |
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94 | 23.27% |
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14 | 3.47% |
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87 | 21.53% |
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Is that suppose to be a “sunny” view from the Western side because it really doesn’t sound like it. Also, the Ukrainians haven’t been taking any significant territory for a while if anything it is the other way around, so…
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Dec 27, 2022 18:29
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https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1607775023569281033?t=gU2gAa3Z-QhvSojPNfkIQw&s=19
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Dec 27, 2022 18:31
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why dont they build a shell that is so advanced it can build more shells. like mastermold
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Dec 27, 2022 18:36
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OctaMurk posted:put a radar or something on the tip of the artillery shell which automatically guides the shells on to the tanks The very abridged version of the US plan for the next few years is a crapload of artillery rounds that go very far and are pretty accurate (tens of meters at maximum range) with a much smaller number of rounds that are actually precision or guided. E: is one of these a fire and forget anti-armor artillery round? Yes. mlmp08 has issued a correction as of 18:47 on Dec 27, 2022 |
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Dec 27, 2022 18:42
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the very abridged us plan for now and forever is to throw massive amounts of money to produce a piddly number of shells that don't work as advertised and then either cancel the program or pay the manufacturers even more money to fix problems that they themselves created, hth
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Dec 27, 2022 18:46
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Rutibex posted:why dont they build a shell that is so advanced it can build more shells. like mastermold you talking about some kinda big shell?
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Dec 27, 2022 18:47
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Cerebral Bore posted:the very abridged us plan for now and forever is to throw massive amounts of money to produce a piddly number of shells that don't work as advertised and then either cancel the program or pay the manufacturers even more money to fix problems that they themselves created, hth This is compelling if you refuse to look at actual purchase quantities of pretty basic ammo in comparison with special use ammo.
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Dec 27, 2022 18:48
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Rutibex posted:why dont they build a shell that is so advanced it can build more shells. like mastermold prefer to call it a "shell game"
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Dec 27, 2022 18:52
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Rutibex posted:why dont they build a shell that is so advanced it can build more shells. like mastermold This is an advanced Russian project called Matryoshka.
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Dec 27, 2022 18:56
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Just work on a big gun that's can shoot anywhere on earth imo The hard part is not getting assassinated by mossad
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Dec 27, 2022 19:02
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Somebody should tell this guy to go just a little bit further back and read about Korea.
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Dec 27, 2022 19:03
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and if they don’t get you, that goddamned Mobius 1 will.
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Dec 27, 2022 19:03
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Rutibex posted:why dont they build a shell that is so advanced it can build more shells. like mastermold I thought cluster bombs were illegal but everyone uses them anyway.
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Dec 27, 2022 19:07
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OctaMurk posted:put a radar or something on the tip of the artillery shell which automatically guides the shells on to the tanks That's a real proposal and the cost you said isn't far off. Look how much Copperhead cost and then keep going. I'm stuck out west so I don't have my books or papers handy, but this was the idea behind the The British Royal Ordnance 81mm Merlin millimetric radar guided round, as well as other ideas. Remember that the shock of firing disables the GPS unit in Excalibur in an estimated 20-50% of projectiles, and radars are more delicate. You can perhaps see some of the problems. The idea was to give mortar teams the ability to knock out Soviet AFVs but the cost was so much greater than MILAN I feel like they lost the plot. The end of the Cold War was enough to put a pin in Merlin and Copperhead, but it looks like the MIC is bringing out all the hits.
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Dec 27, 2022 19:07
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An American saying hundreds of thousands of dead Vietnamese civilians in a decade plus of conflict not as big a deal as ten thousand plus dead Ukrainian civilians so far? Hmmm, his reasoning couldn’t possibly be motivated…
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Dec 27, 2022 19:09
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Cpt_Obvious posted:I thought cluster bombs were illegal but everyone uses them anyway. Only if you're a signatory, I'd imagine.
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Dec 27, 2022 19:12
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ModernMajorGeneral posted:https://twitter.com/joelw_762/status/1607312897989918726?s=20&t=gogVblfzTPrL8QPtRqjW2g The only legitimate representatives of the Ukrainian people are hardline nationalists
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Dec 27, 2022 19:12
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Cpt_Obvious posted:I thought cluster bombs were illegal but everyone uses them anyway. They’re not illegal. Some countries decided not to use them. Most major military powers opted to keep them in the inventory. Kind of a moot point for now when the US, Russia, PRC, and Ukraine all retain cluster munitions and the right to use them. The US has their use on hold while determining if they can build an affordable alternative, but it’s purely self-imposed policy and not a commitment or treaty. Frosted Flake posted:That's a real proposal and the cost you said isn't far off. The cost of $5 mil, which I think was posted facetiously, is dramatically far off. A whole cruise missile doesn’t cost nearly that much. It’s probably off by about 20-40x the price, and that’s before full rate production.
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Dec 27, 2022 19:14
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How does the hellfire on a truck do targeting I feel like the radar in the sky is a pretty integral part of the system
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Dec 27, 2022 19:16
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realtalk, a while ago the us sent a bunch of "Phoenix Ghost" drones to ukraine. I havent been able to find any pictures or anything about them at all, unlike every other weapon. What happened to those, were they better than Switchblade 600s? and in general, if you were going to buy a guided artillery shell or a loitering munition, why buy the guided artillery shell when the engineering challenges seem much more significant ?
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Dec 27, 2022 19:18
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OctaMurk posted:realtalk, a while ago the us sent a bunch of "Phoenix Ghost" drones to ukraine. I havent been able to find any pictures or anything about them at all, unlike every other weapon. What happened to those, were they better than Switchblade 600s? grift and grift
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Dec 27, 2022 19:19
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The artillery shell gets to the target a lot faster
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Dec 27, 2022 19:20
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Throatwarbler posted:The artillery shell gets to the target a lot faster And is comparatively hard to shoot down.
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Dec 27, 2022 19:26
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And is experimental ammunition as opposed to mass produced, decades old technology.
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Dec 27, 2022 19:29
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Here's a publicly released cost breakdown of 81mm rounds and their components. As you can see, the fusing is the most expensive component of a mortar bomb.  Compare and contrast with the requirements for Merlin. Just look at the components here:  and you can see the cost would be exorbitant, though the exact cost estimates are still not publicly available and I can't look anything up from my laptop while travelling.  As with many of these things, The Weapon of the Future was just around the corner in 1985. I mean, DIME, FAP and PELE are far simpler and have also been in development since the mid 80's, with no sign of deployment in sight. A guided mortar projectile that contains a radar is not going to be much less expensive now than it was then, and as soon as the wall came down there was no reason for it.   I also don't have my radar reference books handy, but guidance was by millimetric radar, seeking its own target within a 330 x 330 yard (300m x 300m) area at the top of the trajectory. That means a significant complexity, size and cost was required for the seeker. The cost of that alone would be ridiculous, particularly if it was expected to reliably survive the shock of firing. More to the point, as always, it was posted facetiously, and is exaggerated for comedic effect and brevity.
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Dec 27, 2022 19:43
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What's going to happen to lib brains when the reality of this war (how it's going to end) actually comes to be? I'm seeing all these people who 100% believe that Ukraine has just been owning the Russian army over, and over, and over again for months while taking almost no losses whatsoever. And they believe that the Ukrainians are all libs just like them. Aren't you never supposed to fall for your own propaganda?
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Dec 27, 2022 19:45
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drat i wish I had TV eyes 
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Dec 27, 2022 19:46
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spacetoaster posted:What's going to happen to lib brains when the reality of this war (how it's going to end) actually comes to be? What do you mean? Ukraine has already won
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Dec 27, 2022 19:48
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spacetoaster posted:What's going to happen to lib brains when the reality of this war (how it's going to end) actually comes to be? Well, the MIC will have got what they wanted, something approaching Cold War spending on hardware, and the US will have got what they wanted, Europe tied to the US and in a financially weakened state. Liberals will think that the West prevented a second Holodomor, and western liberal democracy is flourishing in the blood and soil state with no opposition parties or media. Probably the history of the Second World War will be rewritten in popular history instead of just obscured. Canadian domestic politics will be unbearable. I've heard they're going to throw the book at the journalist accused of "desecrating" the Waffen SS memorials out west.
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Dec 27, 2022 19:52
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Yeah, they'll probably just memory hole everything and claim they always knew it was going to end this way. I'm also certain they'll pat themselves on the back and say that they prevented Russia from taking ALL of Ukraine.
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Dec 27, 2022 20:03
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since the lib is incapable of real introspection or admitting that they were wrong some excuse will always be found if ukraine loses badly enough they'll just turn on a dime and start blaming the ukrainians for not fighting hard enough
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Dec 27, 2022 20:08
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the expectations were set in february that ukraine would fall in 3 days and be entirely occupied by russia. therefore i think most LIBS would actually be fine with a ceasefire where ukraine loses the east because this exceeds their initial expectations
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Dec 27, 2022 20:13
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spacetoaster posted:What's going to happen to lib brains when the reality of this war (how it's going to end) actually comes to be? Russia will end up with more than their request before the guns started going bang (Donetsk and Lugansk autonomy and vote for independence) but the libs will see it as a victory. Winter war part 2: Electric boogaloo.
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Dec 27, 2022 20:14
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OctaMurk posted:the expectations were set in february that ukraine would fall in 3 days and be entirely occupied by russia. therefore i think most LIBS would actually be fine with a ceasefire where ukraine loses the east because this exceeds their initial expectations They don't remember their initial expectations either
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Dec 27, 2022 20:15
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Rutibex posted:why dont they build a shell that is so advanced it can build more shells. like mastermold A shell that can return to the cannon that fired it after reaching its destination, like those reusable rockets.
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Dec 27, 2022 20:22
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Ytlaya posted:A shell that can return to the cannon that fired it after reaching its destination, like those reusable rockets. now we're talking . . . how about reusable cruise missiles? it flies over the target, drops a payload, then returns to a launch site. could even include a human operator onboard since its no longer sacrificial
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Dec 27, 2022 20:29
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gradenko_2000 posted:https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1607775023569281033?t=gU2gAa3Z-QhvSojPNfkIQw&s=19 
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Dec 27, 2022 20:47
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OctaMurk posted:now we're talking . . . how about reusable cruise missiles? it flies over the target, drops a payload, then returns to a launch site. could even include a human operator onboard since its no longer sacrificial kind of like an Uber Eats of bomb delivery... we need to develop an app for that
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Dec 27, 2022 20:55
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Frosted Flake posted:Well, the MIC will have got what they wanted, something approaching Cold War spending on hardware, and the US will have got what they wanted, Europe tied to the US and in a financially weakened state. Liberals will think that the West prevented a second Holodomor, and western liberal democracy is flourishing in the blood and soil state with no opposition parties or media. WW2 getting more and more distorted in the minds of the public in the internet age is slowly driving me completely insane and I hate it There’s something uniquely crazy about learning something at an academic level at the same time as it’s being deliberately forgotten in the public mindset
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Dec 27, 2022 21:13
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They will do like they always do/did in Iraq, Afghanistan and Vietnam: bite down on their own propaganda, insisting they are gonna win until it blows up in their face. Then, they will pull out and pretend nothing ever happened and they always knew, but did it anyway. And no one will give a drat anyway.
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