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What is the most powerful flying bug? This poll is closed. |
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15 | 3.71% |
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115 | 28.47% |
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12 | 2.97% |
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67 | 16.58% |
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94 | 23.27% |
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14 | 3.47% |
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87 | 21.53% |
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rifles and artillery and tanks and planes and all of that stupid poo poo doesn't matter, its just side show. the only thing that matters in modern war is nuclear ICBMs and subs
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Dec 28, 2022 02:57
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whats going on in ukraine isn't a war, its the neoliberal elites playing a chess game with our lives. a war would be over in half an hour
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Dec 28, 2022 02:59
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these arent small factories. There are tons of car factories in the us, as well as their associated massive supply chains. And tons of other factories. Is it as strong relative to other countries as it used to be, no. But "america doesnt make a variety of manufactured goods or have the capability to" is stupid.
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Dec 28, 2022 03:00
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KaptainKrunk posted:how low is your bar if "things are still being made, somewhere, in some quantities in America" satisfies your understanding That would be a low bar, but one doesn't need a bar so low, given that the US is the #2 manufacturer in the world. There's plenty of room to criticize the types of things the US manufactures or the global supply chain and how pursuit of profits doesn't necessarily make for a good experience for consumers when markets or a local manufacturing area is set back by natural disaster or a shortage or war or political issues or whatever. That's a different and more nuanced conversation than just saying that America can't build stuff.
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Dec 28, 2022 03:01
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If you want to see "can't build stuff" you'll have to look at the imperial periphery.
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Dec 28, 2022 03:03
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OctaMurk posted:these arent small factories. There are tons of car factories in the us, as well as their associated massive supply chains. And tons of other factories. So you're just upset at the level dismissal and language used by posters towards the decline and current sad shape of American industrial potential. In your opinion American industry is still strong, even, as you say, compared to how it was or to other countries it has declined. Which is everyone's point.
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Dec 28, 2022 03:03
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Doktor Avalanche posted:you make it sound like the habsburgs brewed it all up in a witches' cauldron out of random dudes. This is more or less what Border Marches are, yes. The medieval city of Halych existed, as did the Kingdom of Croatia, but they had very little to do with what came after in terms of continuity, certainly by 1848. At the same time, they were invaluable for the creation of national myths, which became important as nationalism spread throughout Europe.That was one ingredient in the cauldron used to create cohesive identities that just happened to be on one side of the border. Use of the Latin alphabet that codified a regional Slavic dialect into a language was another, so was being considered "Western" (looking towards Vienna) as opposed to "Eastern" (anyone on the other side of the border). Catholicism would be a the third, and the fourth is an Imperial identity. Taken in combination in turned one half of a cauldron - central and southern Europe, respectively - into a nation bound to the Dual Monarchy. That is what I'm saying. Steven Beller claims that “every Central European nation, without exception, suffers from an inability to rise above its perception of its own past, its history”. In this respect, according to Beller, the “non-historic” Habsburg nations had even more difficulties than the “historic” nations of Austrians, Hungarians, and Poles. The difficulties became painfully apparent with the dissolution of the former Yugoslavia, in which the South Slavs never overcame their ethnic divisions. The reason for the obsession with history in Central Europe is, in Beller’s view, “the authority of continuous tradition” which “for centuries [...] had been wielded by the Habsburg dynasty, [...] [and] Central European history had been Habsburg history” This is expanded on in Anderson's Imagined Communities . Drawing on Gellner’s position that “Nationalism is not the awakening of nations to self- consciousness,” but rather a process of inventing nations, Anderson differentiates between “true communities” and nations. He then adds that all communities larger than the village are imagined and that they should be distinguished by the style in which they are imagined. Therefore, both rising nations in nineteenth-century Central Europe and the Habsburg Monarchy are imagined communities of different sorts, and the former are not more artificial than the latter. The problem arises from the diverging styles of imagining, i.e., from the conflict between the national and the supranational paradigms.
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Dec 28, 2022 03:06
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A Bakers Cousin posted:So you're just upset at the level dismissal and language used by posters towards the decline and current sad shape of American industrial potential. no, you said america doesnt make a large spread of goods, which A Bakers Cousin posted:Manufactured goods doing a lot of work implying a large spread of types of goods being made which isn't really accurate america mass produces a really wide spread of goods and pretty enormous manufacturing capacity.
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Dec 28, 2022 03:12
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Slim Jim Pickens posted:Nations are arbitrary and determined by whatever people say they are. I'm not inclined to question it, but for some reason there seems to be a pattern of border regions in the Austrian empire developing nazi movements, so maybe there's some kind of pattern connecting this. Surely it couldn't be the result of an incoherent but radical attempt at ethnogenesis?
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Dec 28, 2022 03:12
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Look we can get into numbers if you want but without were just arguing your feelings about how "things are"
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Dec 28, 2022 03:13
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galagazombie posted:Isn’t this exactly what the bigwigs were saying at the start of the Korean War but then it turned out the M1 Garand (the exact gun they were using) was woefully inadequate for the new advanced battlefields of the 1950’s? The rifle they proposed to replace it, the M-14, was a Garand with a larger magazine and automatic selector, so I would say "no". It is why the BAR gave way to actual light, then general purpose, machine-guns though. The American military has vacillating attitudes towards marksmanship and infantry musketry, seemingly generation to generation. I can't put my finger on why exactly. I would suggest everyone read Weapon of Choice, it's been extensively quoted here and in the WW3 thread.
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Dec 28, 2022 03:14
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gradenko_2000 posted:if America is still capable of manufacturing stuff, and even specifically high-tech stuff, then why did they outsource F-35 production? why are they acting all so protective about Taiwan and TSMC? this. if China can basically build their own TSMC from scratch why can’t the US?
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Dec 28, 2022 03:15
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It's not that America doesn't manufacture anything, it's that the wealth in the American financial system is far greater than the value of the goods it produces.
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Dec 28, 2022 03:16
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lobotomy molo posted:this. if China can basically build their own TSMC from scratch why can’t the US? Because the ROI of industrial production will never equal services and financial speculation, and so it would require state intervention, which capital has made impossible even in the American imagination.
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Dec 28, 2022 03:17
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Frosted Flake posted:This is more or less what Border Marches are, yes. The medieval city of Halych existed, as did the Kingdom of Croatia, but they had very little to do with what came after in terms of continuity, certainly by 1848. At the same time, they were invaluable for the creation of national myths, which became important as nationalism spread throughout Europe.That was one ingredient in the cauldron used to create cohesive identities that just happened to be on one side of the border. Use of the Latin alphabet that codified a regional Slavic dialect into a language was another, so was being considered "Western" (looking towards Vienna) as opposed to "Eastern" (anyone on the other side of the border). Catholicism would be a the third, and the fourth is an Imperial identity. Taken in combination in turned one half of a cauldron - central and southern Europe, respectively - into a nation bound to the Dual Monarchy. That is what I'm saying. i can dig most of that, but it's understandably less than palatable (at least to those not terminally cspam-brained) to see your nation referred to as some kind of dr moreau experiment lmao
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Dec 28, 2022 03:19
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Frosted Flake posted:Because the ROI of industrial production will never equal services and financial speculation, and so it would require state intervention, which capital has made impossible even in the American imagination. this is why the US will never be a manufacturing powerhouse again in the way it once was. the human capital to expand the labor force dramatically like during ww2 no longer exists. another manhattan project would be a public-private clusterfuck that spends a trillion dollars to build a submarine that dissolves in water. america is no longer capable of fighting a modern industrial war on the scale of ww1 or ww2, and that’s before a huge chunk of the labor force becomes disabled after a dozen rounds of Covid. speaking of which, it’ll be interesting to see what role covid played in the war whenever it’s all over. i suspect some amount of the unexplained delays, manpower shortages, sudden pullbacks, etc. by both sides are the result of having thousands of soldiers temporarily too sick to march.
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Dec 28, 2022 03:24
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It isn’t that nothing is manufactured in the US but there is a steep drop off from the PRC to the US no matter how you cut it and the US imports a lot more than some cheap retail goods. As for the constant “victory for the US” narrative, it has been stated before but the US has lost plenty from this war and honestly made things more difficult for itself in the future. The smarter position was ambiguity as far as Russia went rather than turning both its government and its population against the US. In addition, Ukraine is also probably more split in public opinion than many would want to admit. The sanctions haven’t been effective and it’s clear the economic damage in total was fairly minor. It is one of the situations where Russia like China “is always one the edge of collapse” regardless of whatever is happening. It just is just very dull even in terms of propaganda and messaging. ——— Also, Ukrainian culture and Russian culture just isn’t that different than each other including suicidal stubbornness. If the Ukrainians are tenacious, depending on the trigger, it can go both ways. People from the Donbas are from their perspective fighting for their homes as well. No one likes each other and no one is going to give up easily. Ardennes has issued a correction as of 03:33 on Dec 28, 2022 |
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Dec 28, 2022 03:29
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Forget about Donbas, actually don't forget about Donbas, the people of Belgorod are being organized into militias. This war has spun so wildly out of control because nobody managed to find a peaceful resolution these past 8 years, that any sort of cease fire right now would just be temporary until something sets it off again.
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Dec 28, 2022 03:39
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This year has been awful. But worry not, as next one will be way worse.
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Dec 28, 2022 03:41
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Lostconfused posted:Forget about Donbas, actually don't forget about Donbas, the people of Belgorod are being organized into militias. This war has spun so wildly out of control because nobody managed to find a peaceful resolution these past 8 years, that any sort of cease fire right now would just be temporary until something sets it off again. It is also why Kiev has been trapped by its narrative since it is now attacking or defending land in which the population is now mostly hostile at this point and that there doesn’t seem to be a way for them to realistically break through: Also, we will see about the Yamal pipeline but I am very doubtful the Europeans will wait “decades” before they start opening up some loopholes for Russian energy (while continuing to attract Chinese investment.) I don’t think this whole sideshow was worth it even if it got some Russian grunts killed. If anything I think it was a badly needed wake up call for Moscow.
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Dec 28, 2022 03:46
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When people say this is the same sort of imperial aggression as Afghanistan and Vietnam, they're missing the part where Americans couldn't just get in their car and take a day trip to Vietnam and had to settle for shooting college kids at home.
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Dec 28, 2022 03:53
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Lostconfused posted:When people say this is the same sort of imperial aggression as Afghanistan and Vietnam, they're missing the part where Americans couldn't just get in their car and take a day trip to Vietnam and had to settle for shooting college kids at home. Or most Vietnamese people spoke English and were part of the same country at one point beyond intermarriage and everything else etc It isn’t a far off conflict and there aren’t just hard feelings on the pro-Ukrainian side.
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Dec 28, 2022 03:59
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Doktor Avalanche posted:i can dig most of that, but it's understandably less than palatable (at least to those not terminally cspam-brained) to see your nation referred to as some kind of dr moreau experiment lmao a lot of this forum is posting from a great satan that suppressed all these prior national and class divisions by saying people with certain phenotypes are less human entire fake sciences were invented to justify it
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Dec 28, 2022 04:02
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Ok it's a bit to far for a day trip. More of a weekend trip. And it would be a train instead of a car. A minivan or a truck if they're hauling supplies for the frontlines.
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Dec 28, 2022 04:04
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Floated mindlessly over a cat video someone had posted of cats doing their thing, but one of the clips was of the Ukrainian "marching" kitten and it's like, can we at least keep the normie meme poo poo untainted by war propaganda? Do not trust these people with animals! 
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Dec 28, 2022 04:04
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So what I’ve gathered is that blowing up the Austrian empire was bad As a Napoleon appreciator it’s a difficult pill to swallow
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Dec 28, 2022 04:07
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Napoleon made a point of keeping a weakened Austria mostly together. Again, his mistake was going for Russia before dealing with Britain, it never works.
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Dec 28, 2022 04:08
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Turns out we need strong blue bloods to control the wretched masses
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Dec 28, 2022 04:09
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A Bakers Cousin posted:Turns out we need strong blue bloods to control the wretched masses Welcome to CSPAM, Madam Speaker.
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Dec 28, 2022 04:11
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A Bakers Cousin posted:Turns out we need strong blue bloods to control the wretched masses Law and Order was better
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Dec 28, 2022 04:13
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Austria should be Balkanized
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Dec 28, 2022 04:14
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gradenko_2000 posted:Law and Order was better lol
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Dec 28, 2022 04:14
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Frosted Flake posted:Therefore, both rising nations in nineteenth-century Central Europe and the Habsburg Monarchy are imagined communities of different sorts, and the former are not more artificial than the latter. The problem arises from the diverging styles of imagining, i.e., from the conflict between the national and the supranational paradigms. Even though Franz Joseph I and Maximilian apparently didn't like each other at all, there's something odd about both of them not being able to deal with the developing concepts of national identity.
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Dec 28, 2022 04:17
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Identity politics at it again! 
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Dec 28, 2022 04:18
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Isentropy posted:Even though Franz Joseph I and Maximilian apparently didn't like each other at all, there's something odd about both of them not being able to deal with the developing concepts of national identity. I can understand Franz Joseph a little bit more tbf; dude was still Emperor of Austria AND King of Hungary, Croatia, Bohemia, etc etc etc. Things like national identity probably mean less to you when you inherit all those titles over all those different ethnic groups.
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Dec 28, 2022 04:23
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seems pretty dumb to do some special probe thing for a giant chunk of people for no reason but i guess im not a buyer of a dead gay comedy forum!
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Dec 28, 2022 04:37
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Endman posted:I come from the very normal country of Australia where we can't stop wanking off about Gallipoli, a battle mostly fought by the English, Canadians, Indians and French where we all got merrily slaughtered by the Ottomans!  (btw we have a cspam auspol thread)
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Dec 28, 2022 04:57
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Australia saw America's pursuit of war crimes, environmental devastation, and indigenous genocide and said "crickey we gotta catch up"
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Dec 28, 2022 04:59
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Putin can only dream of Zhukov's offensives, he is now issuing commands to units that no longer exist. Putin is no longer seen in public, often too frail to go in front of the cameras
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Dec 28, 2022 05:01
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A Bakers Cousin posted:Australia saw America's pursuit of war crimes, environmental devastation, and indigenous genocide and said "crickey we gotta catch up" We did Jonestown first though, only ours is STILL loving THERE SOMEHOW it's also more racist, of course
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