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Cyrano4747 posted:The problem with the bolter is how long it takes to ready. When I’m trying to oh gently caress delete a dog or poxburser etc it’s unacceptable to fiddle gently caress the action for ten seconds, and even when I’m sniping something across the map it’s annoying as gently caress and half the time you end up needing to blow half the mag into the handful of walkers that came up to you while you got your gun ready.
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I definitely think there's a difference between Malice and Heresy/Damnation where you just have to rely on your team to do their part and you need to do your part. Zealot can clear rooms pretty well, but aren't as good at taking out the hordes of shooters that pretty much everyone agrees is the most dangerous. For dog/burster, you at Heresy/Damnation, you should be pretty good at dodging/blocking, so if they are close you should be fine and if they are far others should be able to handle. And when that elite density gets up there, being able to just delete it all is really important.
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Dec 28, 2022 18:47
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Exodee posted:It's true that I occasionally wish I had a faster ranged weapon, like if there's a horde in my face and oh poo poo there's also a sniper that no one else can deal with right now, but for me that gets outweighed by the times I'm really glad to have the bolter on me when there's big hordes with a whole bunch of crushers, bulwarks and maulers in them, which are quite common on damnation. It's not as good an answer as bolter, but to the autogun's credit, the temporary armor-piercing from your F ability is generally good for deleting a Crusher and/or some maulers/scab ragers. Bulwarks are still an issue but you're not completely naked.
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Dec 28, 2022 19:10
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Internet Explorer posted:I definitely think there's a difference between Malice and Heresy/Damnation where you just have to rely on your team to do their part and you need to do your part. Zealot can clear rooms pretty well, but aren't as good at taking out the hordes of shooters that pretty much everyone agrees is the most dangerous. For dog/burster, you at Heresy/Damnation, you should be pretty good at dodging/blocking, so if they are close you should be fine and if they are far others should be able to handle. And when that elite density gets up there, being able to just delete it all is really important.
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Dec 28, 2022 19:25
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I managed to get level 30 on one character and 27 on another without ever getting blown off a ledge by another player and then today it happened 3 levels in a row, twice to my instant death, cause of someone blowing up a barrel. In one case I actually got blown off a ledge and I guess close enough to another ledge to be hanging off it but the ledge I was hanging off was in an area that looked inaccessible. I couldn't even be that annoyed, it felt like some sort of small cosmic joke.
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Dec 28, 2022 19:28
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They should make it so that if you disturb the demonhost it will eventually agro unless you get to the next section of the map.
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Dec 28, 2022 19:37
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I once got knocked back in such a way that I ended up hanging off of a roof an entire story up from where I was. The team managed to find a way up there, but they still couldn't rescue me for whatever reason.
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Dec 28, 2022 19:39
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Not mine, was posted in discord.
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Dec 28, 2022 19:48
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Being able to quick swap to the Revolver and kill a Sniper while actively fighting a horde gives it a huge amount of points imo. I've tried using the flamer and while it is cool as hell I really miss the ability to delete specials at range. I think if Psyker had a better skill tree my friend might be able to go gun wizard but as it stands he really has to use the bolt staff
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Dec 28, 2022 20:02
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Cythereal posted:I'm still experimenting with different classes, but I'm leaning towards zealot as my favorite. Veteran feels like it just doesn't carry enough ammo. Although teammates hogging the ammo might have been part of the problem. Really? I always felt like the Veteran had more than enough ammo compared to the other classes, but I guess it depends on the gun - I use the Kantrael XII on my Vet.
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Dec 28, 2022 20:02
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Typical Pubbie posted:They should have made the Bolter a braced weapon. I dunno, it one taps flamers and trappers to the face without any issue
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Dec 28, 2022 20:23
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Schneider Inside Her posted:Being able to quick swap to the Revolver and kill a Sniper while actively fighting a horde gives it a huge amount of points imo. Me too. I've seen Zealots do some excellent work with the flamer, and I guess if you wanted to go single target/thunder hammer with melee it has a good usecase but I just can't get past it's downsides. It's slow, it can't do poo poo at range, it puts you at the mercy of scab/dreg shooters and you can't see anything past the fire, which leaves you vulnerable to sudden changes in enemy composition. Like it's satisfying to use, but so is the bolter, and that doesn't have most of the other problems.
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Dec 28, 2022 20:25
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Sorry, right now my ranged weapon is my crit curio.
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Dec 28, 2022 20:42
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The flamer has surprisingly long reach and owns bones. It's slow as gently caress to take out so gotta really be aware of positioning and timing. As for far away ranged enemies the 3 vets on your team will take care of them
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Dec 28, 2022 20:45
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also helps tp be rocking this absolute unit lol the crit procs the 75% toughness talent and the 25% flak always hits on flak'd enemies
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Dec 28, 2022 20:52
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Do you find yourself using primary fire often? Or would you change out that blessing if you could.
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Dec 28, 2022 20:56
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My greatest fear is that, when I finally get On Overwatch, it will immediately be nerfed and I will have developed PTSD from the "you're about to get melee'd" sound effect for nothing.
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Dec 28, 2022 21:32
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Abhor the Mutant is driving me batty. My zealot is level 20 and I think I need to either farm it on T1/T2 or just wait until 30 with an endgame melee so I can one shot muties on T3. So tired of charging a heavy axe attack, hitting F, and requiring TWO heavy attacks to kill it. Or my pubbie teammates deleting it with 5 seconds of it spawning.
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Dec 28, 2022 21:38
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I've given up on trying for the On Overwatch penance. Even when I've made it to the final battle in any given map, I've always needed to do something to help my team, whether that's wading into a melee, or carrying something heavy, or fixing a data interrogator, or helping a downed teammate up. That inevitably leads to taking a couple of melee hits. C'est la vie. The alternative would be to play selfishly, and that just feels lovely.
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Dec 28, 2022 21:40
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Anti-Hero posted:Abhor the Mutant is driving me batty. My zealot is level 20 and I think I need to either farm it on T1/T2 or just wait until 30 with an endgame melee so I can one shot muties on T3. Charged thunder hammer heavy one shots them on difficulty 3
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Dec 28, 2022 21:44
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Gay Rat Wedding posted:Charged thunder hammer heavy one shots them on difficulty 3 ORly? I’ll buy the next one I see in the shop.
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Arc Light posted:I've given up on trying for the On Overwatch penance. Even when I've made it to the final battle in any given map, I've always needed to do something to help my team, whether that's wading into a melee, or carrying something heavy, or fixing a data interrogator, or helping a downed teammate up. That inevitably leads to taking a couple of melee hits. C'est la vie. The alternative would be to play selfishly, and that just feels lovely. My advice is not to try for it. Just play on Malice and do the best you can. Eventually you'll get a team that's so good you'll breeze through a mission and the penance will unexpectedly pop up. That's what happened to me. Alternatively, never stop charging your power sword and whirlwind attack your way through the entire level.
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Dec 28, 2022 21:47
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Arc Light posted:I've given up on trying for the On Overwatch penance. Even when I've made it to the final battle in any given map, I've always needed to do something to help my team, whether that's wading into a melee, or carrying something heavy, or fixing a data interrogator, or helping a downed teammate up. That inevitably leads to taking a couple of melee hits. C'est la vie. The alternative would be to play selfishly, and that just feels lovely. Yeah, absolutely this has been my experience too. Like, I feel with achievements, the best achievements are the ones where like, you throw a grenade, and it lands in a paint can, and physics knocks the paint can so it's actually lying upsidedown on the ground, and then the grenade goes off and propels the paint can into space and you go "Ha!" And then a little thing pops up saying "The ISS looks better in blue" or whatever, and it's like, "Ha! They saw me!" I dont much like this kind so much. When it's just tracking a thing you're obviously doing anyway, it's kinda cool to see milestones. But I feel like if I pull this off, it won't be an achievement, not a little celebration, more so just random chance.
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Arc Light posted:I've given up on trying for the On Overwatch penance. Even when I've made it to the final battle in any given map, I've always needed to do something to help my team, whether that's wading into a melee, or carrying something heavy, or fixing a data interrogator, or helping a downed teammate up. That inevitably leads to taking a couple of melee hits. C'est la vie. The alternative would be to play selfishly, and that just feels lovely. The last few times I almost had it, the run was hosed by a teammate doing something really stupid or a singular teleporting enemy. Feels bad, man. Typical Pubbie posted:My advice is not to try for it. Just play on Malice and do the best you can. Eventually you'll get a team that's so good you'll breeze through a mission and the penance will unexpectedly pop up. That's what happened to me. I've tried both, but even when I was on a team with three well-armed, elite vet operators, and we ground everything into paste for the first half of the map, somehow everything turned to poo poo in the latter half. SplitSoul fucked around with this message at 21:55 on Dec 28, 2022 |
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Anti-Hero posted:Abhor the Mutant is driving me batty. My zealot is level 20 and I think I need to either farm it on T1/T2 or just wait until 30 with an endgame melee so I can one shot muties on T3. edit: Oh wait, I misread your post. Ah well hope it's useful for any eviscerator users out there
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Exodee posted:I think that with chain weapons the special attack doesn't actually give you the achievement even if you kill it. (I'm guessing only the first damage tick counts?) When I swapped to an Antax axe I got it immediately lol To my knowledge this is correct, only the first tick of damage with the chain sword counts. Kinda BS
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thebardyspoon posted:I managed to get level 30 on one character and 27 on another without ever getting blown off a ledge by another player and then today it happened 3 levels in a row, twice to my instant death, cause of someone blowing up a barrel. In one case I actually got blown off a ledge and I guess close enough to another ledge to be hanging off it but the ledge I was hanging off was in an area that looked inaccessible. They really gotta tone down the explosive force of those things. Lost runs cause i got thrown into the abyss
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thebardyspoon posted:I managed to get level 30 on one character and 27 on another without ever getting blown off a ledge by another player and then today it happened 3 levels in a row, twice to my instant death, cause of someone blowing up a barrel. In one case I actually got blown off a ledge and I guess close enough to another ledge to be hanging off it but the ledge I was hanging off was in an area that looked inaccessible. Last night I was playing with a >25 Ogryn who insisted on smacking every loving explosive barrel they walked by without fail. poo poo was loving aggravating. Unsurprisingly, the run failed at the train station boss.
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AndyElusive posted:Last night I was playing with a >25 Ogryn who insisted on smacking every loving explosive barrel they walked by without fail. poo poo was loving aggravating. Unsurprisingly, the run failed at the train station boss. Let me guess, the Ogryn switched to shooting at the boss
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Dec 28, 2022 21:59
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Yeah I mean, I have a contract to finish 3 missions without someone dying which I thought would be pretty easy honestly, not so much with these homicidal randos.
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What's in store for me if I ever get to try for the helmet with the mouthguard? Is there another, even more bullshit penance required? Like On Overwatch, but it has to be on Heresy or some poo poo?
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Dec 28, 2022 22:01
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Exploding barrels are no joke, I've been flung into the depths by one several times now. There really needs to be a loading screen tip or something saying that you shouldn't blow them up just for fun.
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Enjoy posted:Let me guess, the Ogryn switched to shooting at the boss That role was taken by the veteran and the sparky sitting at the other end of the room. The barrel-hitting Ogryn was the only one meleeing the boss with me. Guess the boss looked cylindrical enough.
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If I have a weapon with high ammo I just shoot barrels from a distance before we can get up to them. they’re way more of a liability than a potential benefit.
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SplitSoul posted:What's in store for me if I ever get to try for the helmet with the mouthguard? Is there another, even more bullshit penance required? Like On Overwatch, but it has to be on Heresy or some poo poo? I think that requires the 100% accuracy and no ammo by the end of the mission penance, no?
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Gay Rat Wedding posted:If I have a weapon with high ammo I just shoot barrels from a distance before we can get up to them. they’re way more of a liability than a potential benefit. 
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Gay Rat Wedding posted:If I have a weapon with high ammo I just shoot barrels from a distance before we can get up to them. they’re way more of a liability than a potential benefit. Might as well, I don't think they even damage enemies all that much, do they? They're kind of a trap
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Internet Explorer posted:Do you find yourself using primary fire often? Or would you change out that blessing if you could. No. Will definitely be changing the blessing when possible
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Dec 28, 2022 22:22
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The quality of pubbies in Heresy has definitely gone hill sharply. I'm not going to say bots are better, because they're not, but I'm really not sure how people are ending up here without having even the slightest hint of game sense.
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My win rate on Damnation is probably better than Heresy. Heresy is when game sense and good gear really become a requirement. It's the crucible for a lot of players.
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