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Beartaco posted:Is it just the case that everyone over there is testing? A lot of my friends and I test daily for our work here in the US. So I doubt it Seems pretty easy to explain though. They've been enacting tough measures for so long on covid, preventing spread, preventing the development of some levels of immunity in individuals so now it's ripping through the population. Extremely high population densities are also the norm in many places making the spread hard to stop. Plus don't they use their (really bad) vaccines there instead of the mrna ones? The ones that don't actually work good Seems like that mostly explains it. After this wave burns out the population as a whole should be more protected than before Play fucked around with this message at 22:05 on Dec 27, 2022 |
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Update on the borders reopening. quote:Covid in China: People rush to book travel as borders finally reopen I didn't know they were scrapping the cap on daily flights. That's huge news for airlines and travel hubs. I don't know how long it takes to get/re-get a Chinese passport, but I imagine the service is going to be beyond swamped the day that applications open again. I reckon there's going to be quite a few teachers in Thailand, Vietnam, and elsewhere returning now that China will be taking teachers back at possible pay and position levels higher than before. Vietnam seems to have replaced China as the go-to EFL destination in Asia, but I think that's about it change even though China is still going to be China but with higher levels of xenophobia than before.
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We're in Hong Kong to see family and one of the weirder things we keep seeing are these super long lines of old people in the early morning. They stretch around all 4 sides of a city block sometimes, and best we can tell they're all waiting to buy a newspaper from a single vendor. Mrs. Scam Likrly says there's nothing HK'ers love more than a line to stand in. Must be an incredible newspaper.
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Scam Likely posted:We're in Hong Kong to see family and one of the weirder things we keep seeing are these super long lines of old people in the early morning. They stretch around all 4 sides of a city block sometimes, and best we can tell they're all waiting to buy a newspaper from a single vendor. Mrs. Scam Likrly says there's nothing HK'ers love more than a line to stand in. Must be an incredible newspaper. I'd be willing to bet that the newspaper has a coupon or something in it.
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Still no news on when China will start issuing tourist visas. Sure, Chinese people can go abroad and come home quarantine free, but allow foreigners into China? Madness!
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Dec 28, 2022 06:46
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Foreigners might bring covid, the foreign disease.
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I'm kinda worried that all those people that travel to China in the next few weeks are going to be coming back sick themselves.
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For people who believe the lab leak theory, China having a major outbreak and opening its borders right as the rest of the world starts to see light at the end of the tunnel must seem a little on the nose.
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Japan, (who only recently reopened it's borders), has immediately tightened them. Specifically to those entering from China. All entrants from China need a negative test before they get on the plane, and then get another test at the airport. If positive, they get 5-7 days quarantine. India also now requires a negative test for arrivals from China, (also Japan, Thailand and South Korea, but only these 4 countries for some reason). America is thinking about it. No change for the UK or Australia. I'm sure other countries have done other things, but I don't have relatives living there, so I care quite a great deal less. So it seems currently, only the country where I live, and where my aunt lives are taking the potential Chinese flood of infected people desperate to get out of their house for the first time in years seriously. The rest of my family have to take their chances, I suppose.
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BrigadierSensible posted:desperate to get out of their house for the first time in years seriously. If a country is governed wisely, its inhabitants will be content. They enjoy the labor of their hands and will not waste their hours on the concept of perfection Since they dearly love their homes, they aren't interested in travel. There may be a few wagons and boats, but these don't go anywhere. There may be an arsenal of weapons, but nobody ever uses them. People enjoy their food, take pleasure in being with their families, spend weekends working in their gardens, delight in the doings of the neighborhood. And even though the next country is so close that people can hear its roosters crowing and its dogs barking, they are content to die of old age without ever having gone to see it.
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https://twitter.com/kjoules/status/1608003991509815297?s=20&t=MByLnrXjVIB-hQBjgbqX3Q Hong Kong following Beijing's orders. No surprise there.
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Play posted:Plus don't they use their (really bad) vaccines there instead of the mrna ones? The ones that don't actually work good A vaccine that would actually work good is one that would provide sterilizing immunity and we still don’t have one. It is amazing that multiple vaccines were developed so quickly but we don’t need to buy into our own LET ER RIP propaganda any more than we need to buy into China’s
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Tired: Bribing officials with maotai Wired: Bribing officials with Paxlovid quote:China’s elites are stockpiling supplies of Paxlovid, Pfizer’s Covid-19 antiviral drug, and giving it away to curry favour with business associates as an unprecedented Covid wave leaves hospitals stripped of resources and ordinary people struggling to access medication.
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WHO website directly links to a study in Colombia where they found the Sinovac vaccine has an efficacy of 100%, making it more effective than any other vaccine in the history of the world. The unnamed jabbers can only salivate.
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US to start requiring negative covid tests for travellers incoming from China per BBC. Apart from the usual Hurt Feelings, according to several posts in this thread the testing apparatus has largely packed up and gone home…?
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I wonder how many people are actually going to travel. I know a few outside China who haven't been home in years and really want to but are going to wait for poo poo to calm down first. I bet they're not unusual. Some are though, I saw an article that the first few flights from China to Milan had 50% positivity rates.
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Grand Fromage posted:I wonder how many people are actually going to travel. I know a few outside China who haven't been home in years and really want to but are going to wait for poo poo to calm down first. I bet they're not unusual. Enough will. There’s always going to be some selfish businessman or a stubborn grandmother that hasn’t seen her grandkids in yeara
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thetoughestbean posted:Enough will. There’s always going to be some selfish businessman or a stubborn grandmother that hasn’t seen her grandkids in yeara Sure, but a few people traveling is a different scenario than 200 million going somewhere for New Year.
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Grand Fromage posted:Sure, but a few people traveling is a different scenario than 200 million going somewhere for New Year. I'm betting the airlines are salivating at opening up service to China again, particularly Asian brands that used to have 3-4+ flights per day per large airport there. It's really up to government and the airlines, since flight caps will be gone in a week and a half . Who knows how many planes have been sitting sidelined for three years straight, and how long it will take to get them operable, but I imagine there's going to be an impetus do so any day now once the airlines are given the go ahead and haggle with the airports over routes. I just checked Air Asia for the week of Spring Festival week, Bangkok to Guangzhou, which used to have several-times-daily direct service, but no direct flights are on the menu right now. The current flights are going for $1000 round trip. There aren't any direct flights from Hong Kong to Bangkok, either, but the prices are around $200 round trip. My previous prediction that southern Chinese will use HK as a travel hub until the mainland catches up might still come true. I'm still a bit shocked. My brain was totally set on China being in Covid-Zero mode for at least another full year. I don't know how long it will take before China accepts tourists and easy travel from foreigners, but I'm no longer going to assume that it will be that long of a wait. With other countries requiring tests from Chinese, I imagine there's going to be some tit-for-tat quarantine bullshit for certain countries whenever China opens for foreigners again.
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Grand Fromage posted:Some are though, I saw an article that the first few flights from China to Milan had 50% positivity rates.
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In news which surprised no one: Milan Reports 50% of Passengers in Flights From China Have Covid https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-12-28/milan-reports-50-of-passengers-in-flights-from-china-have-covid quote:Italian health authorities will begin testing all arrivals from China for Covid after almost half of the passengers on two flights to Milan were found to have the virus.
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eSports Chaebol posted:A vaccine that would actually work good is one that would provide sterilizing immunity and we still don’t have one. It is amazing that multiple vaccines were developed so quickly but we don’t need to buy into our own LET ER RIP propaganda any more than we need to buy into China’s Huh? Coronavac doesn't work as well and never did though. Scientific fact is not propaganda, especially since that wasn't my point at all and I don't see it as some kind of 'us (who exactly?) vs them' situation anyways. I am just pointing out that coronavac is not nearly as effective as the mrna vaccines are, which is certainly not helping this outbreak. You seeing that as propaganda is more of a you thing than a me thing, I believe. And many, many vaccines don't provide total immunity. That doesn't mean they are useless or that there aren't degrees of usefulness between various vaccines.
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Play posted:Huh? It isn’t as effective after the initial shot but it is with two boosters https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2022/04/19/how-chinas-sinovac-compares-with-biontechs-mrna-vaccine e: edited because I was being unnecessarily snippy. It does just bother me that “Chinese vaccines are worse because of national pride” is a meme seemingly so resistant to actual data eSports Chaebol fucked around with this message at 05:49 on Dec 29, 2022 |
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eSports Chaebol posted:It isn’t as effective after the initial shot but it is with two boosters link to the study used in the article https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(22)00345-0/fulltext Some take aways in the data are that there aren't many people 70+ with 3 doses dying, but it doesn't speculate if that's because there are so few people in that age group who've received 3 doses or if they're just not getting sick and going to the hospital. Almost all of the deaths for people with 3 doses are in the 30-50 age groups. Also the differences between 2-3 doses is pretty drastic. I really hoped they pumped people into getting their boosters.
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Play posted:I am just pointing out that coronavac is not nearly as effective as the mrna vaccines are, which is certainly not helping this outbreak. It probably is good enough, but the vendors and distribution network will water it down to placebo status.
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Shumagorath posted:US to start requiring negative covid tests for travellers incoming from China per BBC. Apart from the usual Hurt Feelings, according to several posts in this thread the testing apparatus has largely packed up and gone home…? Hopefully they require rectal swabs for entry
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https://twitter.com/liqian_ren/status/1608465104059654145 That's one way to revive regional tourism https://www.bangkokpost.com/business/2471217/call-for-tourist-booster-shots-as-chinese-return
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I got the Chinese vaccine. Here in my country the government used them to make time before Pfizer shipped enough vaccines. So younger people got two Sinovac shots and two Pfizer. Old people got Pfizer from the start. The Chinese vaccine made the number of daily cases slow down a lot, so I don't think it's that bad.
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Today I went to the calisthenics park near the house where I'm currently stay (in the US). I chuckled to myself when I hung my jacket over the dip bars, remembering how problematic it was trying to exercise in similar parks in China when all the aunties would chuck blankets and wet laundry over all the bars and equipment without considering the people who were there to use them or how they were used in the first place. It would often result in some sort of shouting match, especially from those old guys who were pull-up champs and never wore shirts.
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Scam Likely posted:We're in Hong Kong to see family and one of the weirder things we keep seeing are these super long lines of old people in the early morning. They stretch around all 4 sides of a city block sometimes, and best we can tell they're all waiting to buy a newspaper from a single vendor. Mrs. Scam Likrly says there's nothing HK'ers love more than a line to stand in. Must be an incredible newspaper. It's given out for free and as said above probably has a coupon in it. Depressingly, near my workplace I see elderly people even queuing up for their free copy of Party cumrag Wen Wei Po. Anyway, enjoy walking on the streets before the hordes arrive. I'm going to start wearing a real mask again from January 8th.
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Polidoro posted:I got the Chinese vaccine. Here in my country the government used them to make time before Pfizer shipped enough vaccines. So younger people got two Sinovac shots and two Pfizer. Old people got Pfizer from the start. It's "bad" in the sense that it's much less effective than the Pfizer-type vaccines, but in a situation like yours where you eventually had access to better vaccines that doesn't matter much. Problem is, China IIRC blocked its citizens from getting the more effective vaccines.
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:It's "bad" in the sense that it's much less effective than the Pfizer-type vaccines, but in a situation like yours where you eventually had access to better vaccines that doesn't matter much. I've had three doses of Sinopharm, as have most of the people I work with. Either it worked pretty well to reduce symptoms to "a couple of days of a bad cold" or the Beijing variant of Omicrom is, luckily, a weak one. Anecdotal I Know, and none of us are old or immunocompromised but...
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start selling mRNA vacs and paxlovid to chinese tourists at incredibly marked up prices recessions cancelled baby
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yaffle posted:I've had three doses of Sinopharm, as have most of the people I work with. Either it worked pretty well to reduce symptoms to "a couple of days of a bad cold" or the Beijing variant of Omicrom is, luckily, a weak one. Or neither. It's random in severity per person. Do you gamble?
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There will never be another second this century when inhaling does not involve a small chance of a life changing Covid infection. Congrats you're all gambling regardless.
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maxwellhill posted:Or neither. It's random in severity per person. Do you gamble? You dont really get to choose though, unless you lock yourself away in a bubble I guess
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