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15 | 3.71% |
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Clip-On Fedora posted:Theyre the bad guys!!!!!!!!
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Slavvy posted:Time to post this classic that also applies to NZ My newest hot take for NZ's defence activities is that they are actually a defence against the USA getting salty and imposing tariffs or doing a soft coup. mlmp08 posted:Pretty interesting: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/12/29/ukraine-offensive-kharkiv-kherson-donetsk/ Confirms the Russian claims that the Ukrainians were considering flooding the river. The most interesting thing to me about this, which I have seen on other sites' coverage of Ukraine, is that it's not behind the usual paywall. I'd like to circle back to the discussion about captured equipment (much to some people's dismay I'm sure). What volumes of what equipment do you think was captured and what evidence are you basing it on? Atrocious Joe posted:Will Odesa erect more runestones to commemorate it's viking heritage now? Rurik was from Sweden you Danish bog-men!
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Dec 29, 2022 22:18
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maybe learn the definition to words before you use them. no need to be embarrassed, you can always ask for help.
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Dec 29, 2022 22:19
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Didn’t think it was so controversial. Why do you guys believe Russia’s invasion is exempt from being labeled as imperialist? You can be anti-imperialist regarding multiple nations and actors. Not sure why russia should get a pass as an imperialist actor. Empires compete with one another, and other nations get stuck in the middle regularly.
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Dec 29, 2022 22:20
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mlmp08 posted:Didn’t think it was so controversial. Why do you guys believe Russia’s invasion is exempt from being labeled as imperialist? what makes it imperialist?
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Dec 29, 2022 22:21
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Weka posted:The most interesting thing to me about this, which I have seen on other sites' coverage of Ukraine, is that it's not behind the usual paywall. Oh, ha. Yeah, they regularly put their longforms or some special interest pieces out front. Like Covid reporting was that way IIRC. I just trusted Ardennes when he said it was behind a paywall.
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Dec 29, 2022 22:22
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That article had absolutely nothing new on Kharkov they 3d printed a diorama for themselves. Just because you spill a ton of words on a subject doesn’t mean you are saying anything. Yeah, we know initially the LNR militia panicked but it took time to take Balakliya and once the AFU pushed from it the Russians had already left. Also as far as “touching the poop” ignoring it never works, it just smells up the place until you address it. It has always been that way. In all honesty, the best way to defend the existence of the thread is to contest narratives if they aren’t backed by substance. Ardennes has issued a correction as of 22:27 on Dec 29, 2022 |
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Dec 29, 2022 22:23
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CongoJack posted:maybe learn the definition to words before you use them. no need to be embarrassed, you can always ask for help. he still doesn’t understand the words ‘route’ or ‘america blew up the nordstream pipeline’, baby steps op
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Dec 29, 2022 22:24
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Weka posted:My newest hot take for NZ's defence activities is that they are actually a defence against the USA getting salty and imposing tariffs or doing a soft coup. The USA does not need to do any of this because all nz governments line up behind them like good little dogs at every opportunity instead of getting friendly with China like our actual interests would dictate. The population at large is all in on free world liberal brain worms bullshit.
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Dec 29, 2022 22:24
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Ardennes posted:That article had absolutely nothing new in it besides they 3d printed a diorama for themselves. Just because you spill a ton of words on a subject doesn’t mean you are saying anything. Yeah, we know initially the LNR militia panicked but it took time to take Balakliya and once the AFU pushed from it the Russians had already left. tbf i thought it was extremely funny that they quoted the entire loving article when pedantically trying to dispute whether it was a retreat or a rout i expected an incredibly tedious rebuttal but that was just too funny
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Dec 29, 2022 22:25
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Ardennes posted:That article had absolutely nothing new in it besides they 3d printed a diorama for themselves. Just because you spill a ton of words on a subject doesn’t mean you are saying anything. Yeah, we know initially the LNR militia panicked but it took time to take Balakliya and once the AFU pushed from it the Russians had already left. You are wrong sorry. Responding just feeds into it, kind of mind-blowing that you can't see how that's the entire strategy and just keep falling for it over and over.
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Dec 29, 2022 22:25
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AnimeIsTrash posted:what makes it imperialist? Invading and annexing your neighbor and declaring that your country deserve to own their country’s land is and declaring that you have to do so in competition with another imperial power is a small start for your research into imperialism. Gonna go hiking while you learn about imperialism, cause man, writing a paper on imperialism is no fun. Me? I think this is an imperialist invasion. But you literally don’t have to pay attention to my opinion. You can keep believing it isn’t imperialism if you like. There’s no requirement for us to all agree that Russia’s invasion is imperialist.
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Dec 29, 2022 22:27
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Anyone imperial here can LEAVE. 
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Dec 29, 2022 22:29
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Slavvy posted:Derailing the thread in nonsense is his goal There's nothing to derail bud, the best posts in this thread are people pasting excerpts from published books, or the occasional funny joke. I wouldn't be so self-important to think that somebody here would act annoying as a job for the government(?), rather than as a manifestation of a repellant personality. Weka posted:
The funny thing about the vikings is that they were habitually cosmopolitan and comfortable adopting foreign customs and populations. All the blood-and-soil nationalists love taking norse aesthetics without really understanding that the spread of norse culture was antithetical to such an ideology.
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Dec 29, 2022 22:30
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im getting deja vu
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Dec 29, 2022 22:30
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Slavvy posted:You are wrong sorry. Responding just feeds into it, kind of mind-blowing that you can't see how that's the entire strategy and just keep falling for it over and over. Ardennes, we need to join together in a united front to sanction mlp08 until he posts better. no replies until he learns what imperialism means, deal?
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Dec 29, 2022 22:30
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Slavvy posted:The USA does not need to do any of this because all nz governments line up behind them like good little dogs at every opportunity instead of getting friendly with China like our actual interests would dictate. The population at large is all in on free world liberal brain worms bullshit. Michael Corleone didn’t need to do half the things he thought he needed to do either.
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Dec 29, 2022 22:31
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Oh yeah, this was mentioned somewhere else but I didn't really think about it now. The previous missile attack was different in that the missiles were the 2nd wave, and several were specifically aimed at Ukrainian AA. The 1st wave was the geran/shaheed drones last night. Anyway, the new wave of drone strikes is happening now. We'll see if there's going to be another missile attack later in support of that theory.
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Dec 29, 2022 22:31
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Lostconfused posted:Oh yeah, this was mentioned somewhere else but I didn't really think about it now. well that would be smart. launch a wave, target the current locations of their AA sites, launch a followup wave to destroy or disable them. it leaves the UAF stuck choosing to not use what AA they do have (patriot?? lmfao) or using it and getting it blown up
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Dec 29, 2022 22:33
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Slavvy posted:You are wrong sorry. Responding just feeds into it, kind of mind-blowing that you can't see how that's the entire strategy and just keep falling for it over and over. Maybe something like mythologizing Kharkov needs to be addressed? You are worried it makes a mess and I don’t get that it makes a mess, I do, but doesn’t mean it isn’t a subject that has to be addressed even if a poster is treats their other posters poorly. Something like arguing if the West published a story or not on warehouse is small fries, that Ukrainian troops entering Kharkov started a rout really isn’t a derail though. The “grande” wapo was posted and it turned out to be either things everyone knew or recycled puffery. Ardennes has issued a correction as of 22:44 on Dec 29, 2022 |
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Dec 29, 2022 22:34
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lobotomy molo posted:(patriot?? lmfao) They have zero of those. E: ok, now for real gonna go hike and touch grass and snow
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Dec 29, 2022 22:34
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mlmp08 posted:Invading and annexing your neighbor and declaring that your country deserve to own their country’s land is and declaring that you have to do so in competition with another imperial power is a small start for your research into imperialism. Gonna go hiking while you learn about imperialism, cause man, writing a paper on imperialism is no fun. nice ad hominem and straw man fallacies, I just asked you what made it imperialist
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Dec 29, 2022 22:35
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mlmp08 posted:Invading and annexing your neighbor and declaring that your country deserve to own their country’s land is and declaring that you have to do so in competition with another imperial power is a small start for your research into imperialism. Gonna go hiking while you learn about imperialism, cause man, writing a paper on imperialism is no fun. On the way back from your walk you should look into the concept of proxy warfare and vassal states, because if I can get it, anybody can get it.
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Dec 29, 2022 22:36
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Clip-On Fedora posted:On the way back from your walk you should look into the concept of proxy warfare and vassal states, because if I can get it, anybody can get it. If you all yourself a defensive alliance then you can do anything you want, it’s the rules!
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Dec 29, 2022 22:45
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Ardennes posted:Maybe something like mythologizing Kharkov needs to be addressed? You are worried it makes a mess and I don’t get that it makes a mess, I do, but doesn’t mean it isn’t a subject that has to be addressed even if a poster is treats their other posters poorly. Engaging with one particular poster is the issue, the subject matter is not the issue. Just stop replying to him specifically, the details are irrelevant, the facts are irrelevant.
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Dec 29, 2022 22:55
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Slavvy posted:Engaging with one particular poster is the issue, the subject matter is not the issue. Just stop replying to him specifically, the details are irrelevant, the facts are irrelevant. Honestly, they would wait they used were incorrect about a minor point or misspelled something, then constantly drag them until they got a response. At some point someone is going to say a tank has a 105mm rather than a 100mm gun and they will keep hounding them over it even after the other poster concedes the point. I can stay out of it, but you know it is just going to happen at some point. Ardennes has issued a correction as of 23:08 on Dec 29, 2022 |
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Dec 29, 2022 23:06
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mlmp08 posted:Oh, ha. Yeah, they regularly put their longforms or some special interest pieces out front. Like Covid reporting was that way IIRC. I just trusted Ardennes when he said it was behind a paywall. What volumes of what equipment do you think was captured and what evidence are you basing it on? Slavvy posted:The USA does not need to do any of this because all nz governments line up behind them like good little dogs at every opportunity instead of getting friendly with China like our actual interests would dictate. The population at large is all in on free world liberal brain worms bullshit. True, but Whitlam and Rudd served as pretty good examples of what the Yankee menace will do.
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Dec 29, 2022 23:07
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mlmp08 posted:Invading and annexing your neighbor and declaring that your country deserve to own their country’s land is and declaring that you have to do so in competition with another imperial power is a small start for your research into imperialism. Gonna go hiking while you learn about imperialism, cause man, writing a paper on imperialism is no fun. How is there any meaning to a completely undemocratic country's borders (especially one that only existed relatively recently historically)? I get that you think this is some sort of axiomatic truth that doesn't even need to be thought about it, but that isn't the case. What meaningfully makes Russian's actions imperialist and Ukraine's not? The only difference is the position of the border between the countries (and the scale, which is the actual reason to think Russia's actions are bad here). Wars should be judged on the basis of their direct impact on people, rather than any nonsense about "sovereignty" (which is a transparently stupid concept when referring to a country like Ukraine, unless you just really care about the interests of a small group of rich people/nationalists, especially since most people in the invaded region actually prefer the invading country due to their region having literally been a part of it in living memory). Calling this imperialism basically uses a definition of the term so general and vague that it applies to nearly every country on the planet (because you have to expand the definition to "any political action taken to influence another country"). If you're going to call a country like Russia imperialist, you need to come up with a completely different term to refer to a country like the US, because you've completely removed from it any useful meaning. Imperialism is only really useful as a concept when referring to either policy extracting wealth/resources from a country and/or directly seizing territory with the interest of replacing its with your own people. Otherwise you've just defined literally all conflict between countries as "imperialism," rendering the term less-than-useless (because it actually serves to dilute its meaning to the extent that there's no good way to define the nature of something like the US or British Empires).
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Dec 29, 2022 23:08
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Also, the article was very much behind a paywall for me, if someone else found a good way around it without a dodgy extension, tell me. That said, it only confirms (again) how empty of a mouthpiece the Washington Post is. As far as the missile attacks go, I would say the shift to me is that they are getting larger in size and that cities that were previously of lesser priority like Lviv are moving up the list. That said, they are still not hitting certain targets including most plants themselves. IWe will see in the next two weeks if they is more of an escalation because winter is only going to last so long, and the Russians really don't want to be in another situation where they have to advance in late February. If they did try a winter assault, they would still have to slow down once mud season hit. Ardennes has issued a correction as of 23:17 on Dec 29, 2022 |
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Dec 29, 2022 23:09
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Ardennes posted:Honestly, they would wait they used were incorrect about a minor point or misspelled something, then constantly drag them until they got a response. At some point someone is going to say a tank has a 105mm rather than a 100mm gun and they will keep hounding them over it even after the other poster concedes the point. no look if you follow this osint account that was created this year in february it's actually a 102.5mm gun if you count the number of pixels and compare it to the pictures on wikipedia and furthermo-
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Dec 29, 2022 23:16
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https://twitter.com/squatsons/status/1608154249980170241 on another note russian side of social media is counting 27 brigades from ukraine at bakhmut
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Dec 29, 2022 23:20
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Oh my god are we seriously arguing over whether this is an imperialist war again or not, is it April 2022 or something just close the drat thread until there's a winter offensive
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Dec 29, 2022 23:26
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Not we, just one poster.
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Dec 29, 2022 23:27
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every dumb rear end poster who posts "close the thread" needs a probe
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Dec 29, 2022 23:28
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AnimeIsTrash posted:nice ad hominem and straw man fallacies, I just asked you what made it imperialist Ytlaya posted:How is there any meaning to a completely undemocratic country's borders (especially one that only existed relatively recently historically)? I get that you think this is some sort of axiomatic truth that doesn't even need to be thought about it, but that isn't the case. What meaningfully makes Russian's actions imperialist and Ukraine's not? The only difference is the position of the border between the countries (and the scale, which is the actual reason to think Russia's actions are bad here). Wars should be judged on the basis of their direct impact on people, rather than any nonsense about "sovereignty" (which is a transparently stupid concept when referring to a country like Ukraine, unless you just really care about the interests of a small group of rich people/nationalists, especially since most people in the invaded region actually prefer the invading country due to their region having literally been a part of it in living memory). Weka posted:What volumes of what equipment do you think was captured and what evidence are you basing it on? Clip-On Fedora posted:On the way back from your walk you should look into the concept of proxy warfare and vassal states, because if I can get it, anybody can get it. please reply to literally any other poster itt, a total embargo on mlp08’s terrible posting is the only way to stop it since the mods are worthless. 
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Lostconfused posted:Not we, just one poster.
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Domenico Losurdo on the danger Russia faces of being colonized:quote:The risk of a great war remains as a result of the efforts, on the part of the United States, to stop anti-colonial revolutions, and to construct a new colonial counter-revolution. The US stands opposed China, but we can also consider here the position of Russia. In my books I insist on a point which is perhaps neglected: the history of Russia in general — not just of Soviet Russia, but of Russia in general — is, on the one hand, the history of an imperial and expansionist power, but there is another aspect to this historical reality: Russia has been at risk of becoming a colony for a very long time. We all know about the invasions by Hitler, by Napoleon, by Charles XII, by the Mongols. For example, if we remit ourselves back to the beginning of the 17th century, it was the Polish who exercised power in Moscow. Immediately after World War I — after the defeat of Tsarist Russia — Russia was in danger of being balkanized, of becoming a colony. Here I quote Stalin, who said that the West saw Russia like they saw Central Africa, that they were trying to drag it into war for the sake of Western capitalism and imperialism. [2]
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Dec 29, 2022 23:33
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cenotaph posted:Domenico Losurdo on the danger Russia faces of being colonized: i thought this part was a very concise and accurate summary quote:Here Yeltsin played the role of “great champion” for the Western colonization effort. Putin is not a communist, that much is clear, but he wants to stop this colonization, and seeks to reassert Russian power over its energy resources. bUt AmErIcA iS aNti-ImPeRiAlIsT
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Dec 29, 2022 23:35
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Danann posted:https://twitter.com/squatsons/status/1608154249980170241 Yeah, it is a good question exactly how much men and material the Ukrainians are actually sending to Bakhmut, it certainly isn't a minor amount but it is difficult to get a sense of the concentration of forces there compared to other fronts.
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Ardennes posted:Yeah, it is a good question exactly how much men and material the Ukrainians are actually sending to Bakhmut, it certainly isn't a minor amount but it is difficult to get a sense of the concentration of forces there compared to other fronts. yeah and the number of brigades and battalions alone doesn’t necessarily tell us that much. if those are all under-strength without heavy gear, the AFU could easily be doing what it’s done before (shovel conscripts at the russians to buy time)
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