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https://twitter.com/mattdonders/status/1608493480137101315 If they keep playing how they're playing, they'll break out of this, and most likely break out of it in a big way. The issue is if it gets into their heads and they start trying to play a different way, but we haven't seen that and I don't expect to see that, given the success they've had with their style of play. Being out Bastian/Palat/Marino/Graves is lovely though, not team killing, but lovely.
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Matt Zerella posted:https://twitter.com/NYP_Brooksie/status/1608504346521792514 Karma for the league rigging the lottery after the Rangers made the play-in round of the bubble playoffs  Between Laf being healthy scratched and Byfield still being in the AHL, picking third in 2020 has been a blessing
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Dec 29, 2022 18:10
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Pretty sure Gallant has now shifted into trying to get fired, he lasted exactly 2-plus-a-partial seasons with each of his other three employers and now he feels like changing it up.
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K’Andre has looked good but man is the Rangers track record of developing young talent ever a trainwreck Scratched for Sammy Blais, who has 0 goals lol
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The Dirty Burger posted:K’Andre has looked good but man is the Rangers track record of developing young talent ever a trainwreck Turk got his French Canadians mixed up. It's legitimately wild how they see what Kakko did against the islanders and go "nope, Laf is getting scratched". It's one thing to demote him to the 4th line to light a fire under his rear end but this is just stupid.
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T-Bone posted:https://twitter.com/mattdonders/status/1608493480137101315 https://twitter.com/CJTDevil/status/1608498797931565058 This has been miserable to watch.....
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I dunno why most coaches hate advanced stats, they are the ultimate defense for when your team is losing. Yeah we’re on a 7-game skid but the xG is looking nice and the deserve-to-win-o-meter says we should have won 6 of those last 7
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Dec 29, 2022 18:57
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mcmagic posted:https://twitter.com/CJTDevil/status/1608498797931565058 How are these measured? Didn't the Devils outshoot Carolina 2-1 and generally have the upperhand in that game? Surprised to see them under 50% there.
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Dec 29, 2022 19:01
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Honestly starting to not trust xgoals that much because it doesn't say that McDavid is insanely better than every other player in the league
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fawning deference posted:How are these measured? Didn't the Devils outshoot Carolina 2-1 and generally have the upperhand in that game? Surprised to see them under 50% there. Pretty sure this model includes all game states and also a bunch of micro stats and adjusts for the actual shooter not just the shot. There's a lot of players that outperform their xGoals cause they're simply more talented at shooting than an average player and a lot of models don't account for that.
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Dec 29, 2022 19:11
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The Devils don't have bad shooters though outside of like Haula. They're actually all mostly average - above average (or even good in some cases). It's just a run of really bad unsustainable shooting luck mixed with poor goaltending.
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Dec 29, 2022 19:18
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Also, if the Rangers don't want Laferniere, trade him somewhere fun like the EDMONTON OILERS.
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T-Bone posted:The Devils don't have bad shooters though outside of like Haula. They're actually all mostly average - above average (or even good in some cases). It's just a run of really bad unsustainable shooting luck mixed with poor goaltending. Yup. Haula has been decent enough in his role but it'll be good to get Palat back, who probably slots in there with Hughes instead, and Haula can be an extra forward for the third line imo. He is a really bad shooter
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But I mean, this fuckin rules https://twitter.com/CJTDevil/status/1608273203851595777?s=20&t=5mOnAmL4duon6yyW5sMn_A
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Darude - Adam Sandstorm posted:Also, if the Rangers don't want Laferniere, trade him somewhere fun like the EDMONTON OILERS. For McDavid? Sure.
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T-Bone posted:The Devils don't have bad shooters though outside of like Haula. They're actually all mostly average - above average (or even good in some cases). It's just a run of really bad unsustainable shooting luck mixed with poor goaltending. I'm not saying that the Devils do, I'm simply explaining why that model might differ from what you find on naturalstattrick. I also think most public xGoals models are currently broken.
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The Bruins played well in the second but their first goal was just off a bad turnover and the second was some Marchand/Bergeron fuckery on a bad line change. To my dumb-dumb eye test they looked pretty even. It's not so bad to lose to a team as good as the Bruins. Problem is their next games are against the Pens and Carolina, so that strength of schedule keeps hurting them. They may not pick things up until their west coast road trip.
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Chad Sexington posted:The Bruins played well in the second but their first goal was just off a bad turnover and the second was some Marchand/Bergeron fuckery on a bad line change. To my dumb-dumb eye test they looked pretty even. The Pens have played awful hockey since the Christmas break. If they play tomorrow like they did against the Islanders and Wings the Devils will probably no joke put up like 60 shots on goal.
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Dec 29, 2022 19:29
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Matt Zerella posted:For McDavid? Sure. McDavid would be a 40-point player who kills penalties if he got drafted by the Rangers
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fawning deference posted:Yup. Haula has been decent enough in his role but it'll be good to get Palat back, who probably slots in there with Hughes instead, and Haula can be an extra forward for the third line imo. He is a really bad shooter Haula and Zetterlund need to be on the 3rd line or scratched. They just aren't productive offensive players and the Devils can't afford that with how they don't score at all.
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https://twitter.com/PensInsideScoop/status/1608533618833428484?s=20&t=Ci0DV_a4eraGBE3V3XGW0Q Very not ready to watch Dumoulin-Rutta play like 30 minutes tomorrow night
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The Rangers have a wealth of talent and it feels like the coach is the problem, masked only by the previous coach having been much worse. The top guys barely need coaching and he continually fails to set up the young forwards for success. I've heard the issue with other teams was that Gallant saw himself as a better talent evaluator than he is, and he managed to get some guys he previously coached on the Rangers (Reaves, Carpenter) and then did things like putting a 1st overall pick on a line with them. The GM took away those toys, though they still have Blais because the GM still holds on to hope that the Buchnevich-for-Blais trade might some day look less atrocious. Buchnevich has 42 goals and 103 points in 99 as a Blue. Blais has 0 goals in 44 games as a Ranger.
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mcmagic posted:Haula and Zetterlund need to be on the 3rd line or scratched. They just aren't productive offensive players and the Devils can't afford that with how they don't score at all. Ehhh they're valuable for their forechecking, the Devils just need Palat and Bastian back, and probably another scoring winger who can play with some kind of pace (unfortunately Holtz ain't it, at least this year).
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Ginette Reno posted:Honestly starting to not trust xgoals that much because it doesn't say that McDavid is insanely better than every other player in the league Offensively he sure is but as someone who is victimized by him repeatedly each year, a lot of that is offset by the fact he continues to play no defence. If he was Russian or Czech commentators would never stop talking about it. He's improved slightly from earlier in his career, but no guy floats and blows the D zone harder than him and the Oilers get burned by it a lot. Don't get me wrong he still heavily tilts the ice in Edmonton"s favour because he's just so much further ahead offensively than anyone else but there's a reason some of those stats that attempt to paint a picture of a complete game are less gaudy than his point totals. With all that said, John Scott saying he wouldn't be in his top five picks for playoff players is hilarious. The guy had 33pts in 16 games last year and it wouldn't have been crazy to say he was runner up for the Conn Smythe despite the fact his team was swept in the conference finals. He doesn't have to change a thing about how he plays, but I can see why his xG and stuff is only pretty good.
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ThinkTank posted:With all that said, John Scott saying he wouldn't be in his top five picks for playoff players is hilarious. The guy had 33pts in 16 games last year and it wouldn't have been crazy to say he was runner up for the Conn Smythe despite the fact his team was swept in the conference finals. His reasoning for taking Kucherov instead of McDavid was that he was picking players with a more complete game. And, like, it's hard to disagree with his picks (all 4 guys he chose are elite), but just his reasoning is weird.
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Twin Cinema posted:His reasoning for taking Kucherov instead of McDavid was that he was picking players with a more complete game. And, like, it's hard to disagree with his picks (all 4 guys he chose are elite), but just his reasoning is weird. McDavid should be the top of all hockey best of lists except for "interview ability." Anyone who says he is anything other than the most talented player in the post lockout world is just being a contrarian idiot like the 80s fedora guy who claimed Sergei Shepelev was better than Gretzky. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-0rHnnS7U8 ThinkTank fucked around with this message at 22:59 on Dec 29, 2022 |
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Kucherov has even easier zone starts than McDavid and worse possession metrics if you are building a team and not picking McDavid first, you have failed
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ThinkTank posted:McDavid should be the top of all hockey best of lists except for "interview ability." Anyone who says he is anything other than the most talented player in the post lockout world is just being a contrarian idiot like the 80s fedora guy who claimed Sergei Shepelev was better than Gretzky. Thank you for providing this clip. I have been trying to re-find it for years every so often. I guess to clarify what I was saying, the players John Scott picked are still elite, so there's no issues with the players picked. Just that they came before McDavid. Basically, he picked elite players from the last few Cup winners.
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Good Soldier Svejk posted:Kucherov has even easier zone starts than McDavid and worse possession metrics I donno, Chuck Fletcher would tell you that building a team is pretty hard and not that simple.
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I'd pick  before McDavid. I mean, he's objectively worse, but it would get cliiiiiiiiicks.
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Ginette Reno posted:The Pens have played awful hockey since the Christmas break. If they play tomorrow like they did against the Islanders and Wings the Devils will probably no joke put up like 60 shots on goal. Respectfully, I've learned not to take the midseason dooming of PAS very seriously. Devils are 2-7-1 in their last 10. Pens are 6-2-2.
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ThinkTank posted:McDavid should be the top of all hockey best of lists except for "interview ability." Anyone who says he is anything other than the most talented player in the post lockout world is just being a contrarian idiot like the 80s fedora guy who claimed Sergei Shepelev was better than Gretzky. lol, it's so pointlessly contrarian it's like watching modern ESPN.
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John Scott is the exception to the rule that even enforcers are world class hockey players.
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The Dirty Burger posted:McDavid would be a 40-point player who kills penalties if he got drafted by the Rangers hell, we might have that chance with Bedard
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Chad Sexington posted:Respectfully, I've learned not to take the midseason dooming of PAS very seriously. Sure, I'm just commenting on how they're playing lately. They're on a bad stretch again. I think they're probably a playoff team unless they get tanked by injuries, but I wouldn't be shocked to see them miss just because the Metro is that good.
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Good Soldier Svejk posted:Kucherov has even easier zone starts than McDavid and worse possession metrics They are going to need to rename the Selke to the Bergeron. Nothing will be renamed to the McDavid.
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I just realized that, had Chicago won the lottery last year, Columbus would be holding the #1 and #2 picks as of now pending lottery shenanigans. That's going to be the next entry in the ongoing curse of how Columbus misses out on generational talent, isn't it? 
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Good Soldier Svejk posted:Kucherov has even easier zone starts than McDavid and worse possession metrics If your producing a media list of players and not producing outrage, you have failed (in your producers eyes)
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Blackbelt Bobman posted:The City of Buffalo is lifting the driving ban at midnight tonight, so the Sabres/Red Wings game is most likely on for tomorrow night. Heh, I'll be damned.
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