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15 | 3.71% |
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115 | 28.47% |
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94 | 23.27% |
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14 | 3.47% |
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87 | 21.53% |
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AnimeIsTrash posted:If we are all under the assumption that we are talking about the same thing (the government) then what is need to clarify? If I say India is fascist we all know I’m talking about the government. What makes Ukraine so different here? No, we don't all know that you're talking about the government. That's why you need to clarify.
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Dec 30, 2022 05:24
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oh I kept reading and it looks like that was a post that created arguments huh. it seemed straight forward
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Dec 30, 2022 05:28
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Majorian posted:No, we don't all know that you're talking about the government. That's why you need to clarify. So just to be clear even in the context of a politics subforum you are unclear if I’m talking about the government or the people of the country in that context?
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Dec 30, 2022 05:29
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paul_soccer12 posted:In what currency does China presently buy OPEC oil More important than this is where Iraq keeps its money. Which is in an account at the New York Fed. An account the US threatened to freeze after the Iraq Parliament voted to expel US troops from the country. The US did freeze Iraq's access to its currency account in 2015 and threatened to do so it 2008 as well. The US prefers to control and seize the profits of production instead of the means.
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Dec 30, 2022 05:29
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OctaMurk posted:you could say the same of the bmp2 or the vast majority of other ifvs in the world. ifvs in general face a lot of threats designed to easily take them out. The advantage of Soviet ifvs is that the Ukrainians may at least have a shot at keeping them operable, I am very skeptical if this is the case with the Bradley. It is also just physically a larger vehicle which I don’t know if it is to its benefit. That said, I want to see a conventional warfare circumstance is was more or less designed for. The same for the Abrams if they ever take those hulls out of the desert. Ardennes has issued a correction as of 05:56 on Dec 30, 2022 |
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Dec 30, 2022 05:30
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AnimeIsTrash posted:So just to be clear even in the context of a politics subforum you are unclear if I’m talking about the government or the people of the country in that context? Yup, it unfortunately wouldn't be the first post that someone has made on these forums that has made a weird essentialist claim about an entire ethnicity or nationality.
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Dec 30, 2022 05:31
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Majorian posted:Here, this is in the OP of the very thread you're posting in: (Azathoth's words, not mine) when people are discussing differences and you post “no those are the same” you’re implicitly saying “shut up stop discussing those nuances”. it has a flattening effect on discussions of scope or effects. Majorian posted:No, we don't all know that you're talking about the government. That's why you need to clarify. thanks this helps a lot. so for example: “nazi germany” = wrong, punishable “nazi (government not the people) germany” = correct, okay to use in historical discussions? same for finland, north korea, etc?
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Dec 30, 2022 05:31
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bagual posted:All capitalist states are morally abhorrent by nature, but by calling them all equivalent empires you're just excusing the biggest baddest most racist and powerful one of them all, the supranational western aka white bloc. Yep. Saying that it's okay to say the world's hegemon has a global policy of installing fascist puppet states, but that regional powers resisting that cannot be called anti-fascist or anti-imperialist is incoherent. It's the kind of hair-splitting designed to please idiots outside this forum, but has no basis in reality. Now, if you want to say that regional actors seeking to turn back the US imperial project also do so for their (ruling classes') own benefit, this is obviously true. There are no altruists here. But this rhetorical weight drags down any attempt to understand what's going on in Ukraine or how it got this hosed up.
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Dec 30, 2022 05:32
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lobotomy molo posted:when people are discussing differences and you post “no those are the same” you’re implicitly saying “shut up stop discussing those nuances”. it has a flattening effect on discussions of scope or effects. I have not posted "no those are the same." You've made this claim before; it wasn't true then, and it still isn't true now. quote:thanks this helps a lot. so for example: "Nazi Germany" pretty clearly refers to the Nazi state/system of government/sociopolitical arrangement, IMO. I don't think there's anything particularly essentialist about the German people inherent in the phrase.
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Dec 30, 2022 05:36
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Majorian posted:Yup, it unfortunately wouldn't be the first post that someone has made on these forums that has made a weird essentialist claim about an entire ethnicity or nationality. I think if you’re unable to make the distinction you should probably not be a mod.
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Dec 30, 2022 05:36
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can we talk about the war
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Dec 30, 2022 05:40
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Majorian posted:That's an interesting argument, but it kind of opens the door to the argument that a whole lot of historical wars suddenly become "anti-imperialistic." Were Rome's wars against the Sassanids anti-imperialist in the sense that they countered that empire's aspirations? I think a lot of war were both and would require people to analyze how big those 2 side of it were. Knowing exactly why each side went to war in detail would help define exactly what the war is but we never really get a straight answer to that for the current conflict. Does anyone beside Putin really know WTF the Russian state actually want out of this operation and how much of it changed since the opening day?
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Dec 30, 2022 05:40
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I miss GWB just saying the good guys were fighting the axis of evil and being done with it, "imperialism" used to mean something  No really though, empire and imperialism have been literal fighting words for ages, the 60's and 70's had plenty of talk of the soviet empire imperially imperializing european colonies into independence, intellectual delinquency, many such cases!
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Dec 30, 2022 05:42
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what standard of proof are you using for “really know” you can look at what has happened and infer yourself.
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Dec 30, 2022 05:42
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CODChimera posted:can we talk about the war I'd love it if we did. 
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Dec 30, 2022 05:45
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Ardennes posted:The advantage of Soviet ifvs is that the Ukrainians may at least have a shot at keeping them operable, I am very skeptical if this is the case with the Bradley. It is also just physically a larger vehicle which I don’t know if it is to its benefit. agreed that keeping these operable will be hell -- yet another vehicle requiring completely different parts, maintenance, and ammo from anything they currently use, and i bet it would be the same for the abrams also i think this war is showing that sacrificing he shells for anti tank power in the 120mm cannon, was not a great idea
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Dec 30, 2022 05:50
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AnimeIsTrash posted:Subhas Chandra Bose 🫡 I like the average zionist org is going to point to him while writing why azov isn't fascist anymore. "look they are jumping with the israeli diplomat who is bringing them guns!"
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Dec 30, 2022 05:51
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CODChimera posted:can we talk about the war I was trying to learn what imperialism was before a mod decided to start a 3 page derail.
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Dec 30, 2022 05:54
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Also, the M1 is probably just too heavy to be honest, Soviet infrastructure was built to specifications that would likely make it a liability even to operate. The Bradley is more doable but again it seems to be more of clearing out the warehouse.
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Dec 30, 2022 05:55
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AnimeIsTrash posted:If we are all under the assumption that we are talking about the same thing (the government) then what is need to clarify? If I say India is fascist we all know I’m talking about the government. What makes Ukraine so different here? they are white and therefore have the dark soul of humanity (individuality)
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Dec 30, 2022 05:59
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mods please remove  for being reductionist
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Dec 30, 2022 06:00
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Tankbuster posted:they are white and therefore have the dark soul of humanity (individuality) Thank you, yes. You said it better than I could. i say swears online posted:mods please remove No, you are actually obligated to make essentialist arguments about Americans here.
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Dec 30, 2022 06:00
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Finally hours of watching VaatiVidya lore videos that prove dark souls has a deep story as per my friends comes in handy!
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Dec 30, 2022 06:02
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AnimeIsTrash posted:I was trying to learn what imperialism was before a mod decided to start a 3 page derail. It is when bad countries do bad things
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Dec 30, 2022 06:04
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Ardennes posted:It is when bad countries do bad things Bad things are bad - Barack Ukraine Obama
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Dec 30, 2022 06:06
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Ardennes posted:Also, the M1 is probably just too heavy to be honest, Soviet infrastructure was built to specifications that would likely make it a liability even to operate. The Bradley is more doable but again it seems to be more of clearing out the warehouse. The mrap's performance thus far doesn't bode well for double xl beef burger American vehicles
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Dec 30, 2022 06:11
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gradenko_2000 posted:Bad things are bad 
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Majorian posted:I have not posted "no those are the same." You've made this claim before; it wasn't true then, and it still isn't true now. well, we were discussing differences between the american empire and russian empire and you interjected with: Majorian posted:Russia's not denazifying anything, nor is invading Ukraine anti-imperialist. Cut the poo poo. Majorian posted:That's an interesting argument, but it kind of opens the door to the argument that a whole lot of historical wars suddenly become "anti-imperialistic." Were Rome's wars against the Sassanids anti-imperialist in the sense that they countered that empire's aspirations? which then continued in the following posts where you didn’t want other empires to be compared. i do think there’s an inherent difference between the sassanids and roman’s fighting, and say, the spanish american war due to the power discrepancies.
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lobotomy molo posted:was that incorrect? Yes.
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russia de-nazified the azov battalion captured from the steelworks with all the nazi tattoos by shelling their own prison
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Dec 30, 2022 06:19
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Majorian posted:Yes. okay, sorry I misunderstood. what were you trying to say?
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https://twitter.com/michellemfugere/status/1608648682655846400
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serena williams did that all the time
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Dec 30, 2022 07:18
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gradenko_2000 posted:Bad things are bad Once we get everyone agreeing that bad things are bad and that all's fair in love and war I believe we can collectively find common footing. In Ukraine everyone is so obsessed over red lines and blue lines that nobody is considering the real enemy. Those insidious tree elves. That's why we need to burn all the forests down and salt the earth with agent orange. It's the right thing to do.
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Dec 30, 2022 07:38
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DancingShade posted:Once we get everyone agreeing that bad things are bad and that all's fair in love and war I believe we can collectively find common footing. The Swedes are always the high elves.
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Dec 30, 2022 07:40
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Ardennes posted:The Swedes are always the high elves. It's true, high elves notoriously do not provide food for their guests.
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Dec 30, 2022 07:45
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Majorian posted:It's true, high elves notoriously do not provide food for their guests. what about the lembas bread, smart guy? 
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To fully justify why i said Russia's invasion of Ukraine is anti-imperialist, i'd have to strictly define empire (pre-modern vs modern sense), imperialism and capitalism, and regional power since that's what i described Russia as, and how this ties into the present international system. This goes into international relations theory though, may be kind of boring and obtuse and longwinded, so instead of a pondered vis a vis on why exactly Ukraine is trying to become part of the worst empire ever and Russia is "just" (big just) a threat to its neighbors i skipped to the endpoint. This just to say, i was talking about the war, because the imperialism topic i know a thing or two about and you bet it's re-litigated a lot. My words are backed-up by theory, and if anyone wants to call me a Russia apologist just keep in mind Putin is not good (at anything besides smooching, ooh-la-la) and i'd rather anti-imperialism be done economically and diplomatically. But if Majoran rather have the thread talk about the more tasteful topics of where and when people are shooting eachother with what pew pews and which cities rockets are flying into that's fine by me. I for one miss the ork jokes.
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Dec 30, 2022 07:47
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Endman posted:what about the lembas bread, smart guy? Well obviously the hobbits stole it without Galadriel's knowledge. Majorian has issued a correction as of 07:55 on Dec 30, 2022 |
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bagual posted:To fully justify why i said Russia's invasion of Ukraine is anti-imperialist, i'd have to strictly define empire (pre-modern vs modern sense), imperialism and capitalism, and regional power since that's what i described Russia as, and how this ties into the present international system. this mf used vis-a-vis unironically smdh
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