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Sandman McMahon posted:Did anyone ever try sitting down with Hulk Hogan and having A Talk? Maybe about how his actions were hurting the long term stability of the company? Sometimes it helps to have a good heart to heart chat, it can really go a long way. I feel like the only time this might have worked was Bischoff talking him into turning heel for the nWo. And even then, Hogan had already seen how his actions were hurting himself, with reduced merch sales and buyrates.
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disaster pastor posted:I feel like the only time this might have worked was Bischoff talking him into turning heel for the nWo. And even then, Hogan had already seen how his actions were hurting himself, with reduced merch sales and buyrates. When the nWo turn came about Hogan's last WCW PPV was Uncensored 96 (the Doomsday Cage) which did the most buys in WCW history. The writing was on the wall in many ways, but Hogan could easily delude himself into thinking he had a lot of juice left as a face especially with Nash and Hall coming in as potential foils.
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Nash and Hogan had real heat during the nWo, right? What was it specifically about?
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MassRafTer posted:When the nWo turn came about Hogan's last WCW PPV was Uncensored 96 (the Doomsday Cage) which did the most buys in WCW history. The writing was on the wall in many ways, but Hogan could easily delude himself into thinking he had a lot of juice left as a face especially with Nash and Hall coming in as potential foils. That's true. I was thinking about the overall trends, how all the PPVs after he arrived in '94 decreased year-over-year in '95, but it's a valid point that he'd just seen SuperBrawl and Uncensored perform strongly with him on top. So maybe Bischoff does deserve more credit.
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Dec 30, 2022 18:12
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Part of WCW's fall is that it came so quickly. SuperBrawl IX, in February 1999, over a year after Hogan/Sting, with the main event of post-Fingerpoke Hogan vs. Ric Flair, had the third-most buys in WCW history, behind only Hogan/Sting and the Hogan/Rodman vs. DDP/Malone tag. When were you going to have a talk with Hogan about how he's destroying the company? After Fall Brawl 1999?
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It is really kinda wild how fast that company died. Compared to TNA which found a way to survive in one for or another, or modern day companies that just are too big to die it's kinda wild how WCW went under
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rare Magic card l00k posted:Part of WCW's fall is that it came so quickly. Yeah
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Hogan seems like the type of slimy bastard who could take such a conversation and spin it around, convincing you he's your best friend and he's really doing all this for your benefit, brother.
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I feel like any "How could WCW have survived" theorizing has to assume Hogan is there and work around him. If we go all the way back to the end of 1993, WCW was such a different company that you can imagine whatever you want and the game stops being fun. At that time they were desperately trying new things and losing money.
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El Gallinero Gros posted:Nash and Hogan had real heat during the nWo, right? What was it specifically about? You can find videos of Nash talking about it, but apparently in large part it comes down to Hogan's ego. Apparently he and Hall were not fans of Hogan's creative control either because it would mess up their stuff as well (citing that Hogan would shoot things down but never had any replacement ideas) and was all too happy to wash his hands of booking Hogan.
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Dawgstar posted:You can find videos of Nash talking about it, but apparently in large part it comes down to Hogan's ego. Apparently he and Hall were not fans of Hogan's creative control either because it would mess up their stuff as well (citing that Hogan would shoot things down but never had any replacement ideas) and was all too happy to wash his hands of booking Hogan. Yeah, and IIRC Hogan was very much aware that Nash and Hall were considered younger and cooler, and did not want them to be in a position where they could come off as bigger than him in any way.
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Shard posted:It is really kinda wild how fast that company died. Compared to TNA which found a way to survive in one for or another, or modern day companies that just are too big to die it's kinda wild how WCW went under if AOL Time Warner hadnt killed the TV deals, it probably could have made it to someone who wasnt WWF picking it up
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I mean the thing is on top of Hogan having creative control, Bischoff largely agreed with him regarding who was worth pushing and who needed to be kept down. He thought having a Dusty finish to Starrcade 97 was a good idea. He kept the nWo dominant because he thought it was good business (and it was, for a while.) Hogan was part of the problem but Bischoff was an enabler.
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Yeah it's kind of funny, but for how much is made of Hogan's CC clause he absolutely didn't need it once the NWO took off and Bischoff was still in charge. Bischoff literally booked himself to be Hogan's sniveling little flunkie because, "that's a shoot, brother".
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OJ MIST 2 THE DICK posted:if AOL Time Warner hadnt killed the TV deals, it probably could have made it to someone who wasnt WWF picking it up After being strung along by Bischoff for months and months while losing 500K a week killing the thing was probably more pragmatic than waiting around for a buyer to come along. And at that point Thunder was beneath the TBS station average and Nitro was at the average so this wasn't even vital programming they would be saving. Hogan and Nash were obvious political rivals towards the end of 97 and then through most of 98 but they made up in late 98 when they agreed Nash would kill Goldberg's streak and Hogan would get the title.
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Hogan's run in late 98 on did not help the company at all but I'd argue Russo being hired as the booker is the real death kiss on WCW. Yeah before than the product was getting awful but it was still WCW and could be rebuilt but once Russo was brought on and it became bad WWE attitude era (which wasn't any good) that pretty much sealed the fate as the product began running off the WCW die hard fans
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It's impossible to pinpoint one decision because they made SO MANY bad ones, they stepped on every rake they could in the space of two-odd years. Was it Russo? Was it when Bischoff challenged Vince McMahon to a fight? Was it the Fingerpoke? Was it the Nitro with no wrestling in the first hour? Was it the Nitro where the champ lost the title in the first hour and got it back in the main event?
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It was David Arquette.
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It was making Kevin Nash the head booker and booking the worst TV in history that cut the buyrates so low the company went from making more money than any company in history to losing money in one year.
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Integrated Houston posted:It was David Arquette.
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SatoshiMiwa posted:Hogan's run in late 98 on did not help the company at all but I'd argue Russo being hired as the booker is the real death kiss on WCW. After Charles Guiteau shot President James Garfield, one of the attending physicians was a quack named Willard Bliss. He quickly took control of the proceedings and kept probing the wound with his dirty fingers, misdiagnosing everything, and trying quack cures like pumping bouillon up the president's rear end. Guiteau even tried to argue that he just wounded Garfield, the doctors killed him. Russo was Doctor Bliss. Russo didn't even have the book and write any Nitro scripts until late 99. A lot of damage had been done. If we're going to hold any single person responsible, it's got to be Bischoff before anyone else. He was Guiteau, the narcissistic maniac with a dick problem.
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That was such an insane loving thing to do and also the coolest
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Story time with Dallas Page Bay bay
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Halloween Jack posted:No way. Bischoff did a lot of damage and had to go but before Russo you had enough talent and loyal audience that you could rebuild the company. It'd take awhile but it could be done. Russo's run killed that chance. Not only was the product bad it was bad in a knockoff WWE way. The die hard WCW fans that stayed loyal through some bad runs started leaving cause of that. It was the true point of no return for the company
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I seriously can't even watch Russo booked Nitro for fun. It's just bad bad, not fun bad.
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MassRafTer posted:It was making Kevin Nash the head booker and booking the worst TV in history that cut the buyrates so low the company went from making more money than any company in history to losing money in one year. Can anyone give examples of Nash's terrible booking that killed the buyrate
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Shard posted:Can anyone give examples of Nash's terrible booking that killed the buyrate The Great Poop Feud of '99.
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MassRafTer posted:The Great Poop Feud of '99. I stopped watching sometime around 2000 so I should have been watching around this time but man I have no idea what you're referring to lol
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TWO BLOCKS, LEFT RIGHT, GOTTA GO
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QUICK PICK WHAT'S A QUICK PICK
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Shard posted:I stopped watching sometime around 2000 so I should have been watching around this time but man I have no idea what you're referring to lol It's sad that people are ignorant of such a famous feud. Randy Savage and Kevin Nash feuded in the summer of 1999 over Nash's WCW title. The feud started like many Poop Feuds do with Savage repeatedly putting makeup on Nash. Then, like all poop feuds do, it began to involve poop. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0U2_YstJQk But Randy Savage would seek his revenge in what took this from a Poop Feud to a Great Poop Feud (the greatest in TYOOL 1999) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IN27gVousj8 There would also be kidnappings, a Quick Pick, white hummers, a DQ in a PPV main event and the title changing hands in a tag match the next month, and then being won by The GOAT Hulk Hogan the next night on Nitro rendering the Great Poop Feud of '99 kind of pointless, but setting Randy Savage Up for Poop Feud 2 which culminated on PPV vs Dennis Rodman.
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MassRafTer posted:It's sad that people are ignorant of such a famous feud. Lmao this is great
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One of the late stage WCW things I recall is Randy Savage announcing he would reveal the future of wrestling he was passing his mantle to in a ramble even for him promo before just leaving. Did he ever reveal who he was talking about or was it just a thing that was dropped?
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MassRafTer posted:It's sad that people are ignorant of such a famous feud. a feud so hype that "GOTTA GO" takes on at least two meanings
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Lid posted:One of the late stage WCW things I recall is Randy Savage announcing he would reveal the future of wrestling he was passing his mantle to in a ramble even for him promo before just leaving. He never spoke another word on WCW TV.
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I remember when it was announced that WCW was going to be sold, or specifically sold to WWF, I hadn't watched WCW for a while. So I flip over and it's a feud between Dusty and Ric Flair, and Ric Flair has a donkey he's named "Dusty's rear end" and I didn't last another minute. Hogan's said in interviews during his divorce that they were basically burning money while he was on top in WCW. So I don't think anything would have gotten Hogan to do something that might have slowed down his personal income for the good of the company.
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