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Dabir posted:Well fascists are being very nice to them, seems to work for them. Fascists are offering them what they want. Because what they want is state and social enforcement of a system that allows them to functionally and or literally own women. They are not just lured in by fascists being nice to them, they have already internalized and adopted a key position of fascist and especailly modern christian dominionist thinking, which in turn is why the fascists are nice to them. Because they very accuratley perceive them as being already most of the way to their position.
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It's interesting to see 2 parallel arguments in this thread moving in completely opposite directions Soulslike games are hard - > There should be an easy mode. Dating is hard - > Suck it up incel. Edit - Unfortunately Let Me Solo Her isn't a suitable solution for dating. Z the IVth fucked around with this message at 23:13 on Dec 31, 2022 |
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People create videogames and it is possible for them to be created however we want. People do not create the intrinsic desire not to be oppressed by others, therefore interpersonal relationships have a fundamental floor of difficulty which those approaching them must simply overcome by moderating their desires to account for the existence of other people as people. hth. Z the IVth posted:Edit - Unfortunately Let Me Solo Her isn't a suitable solution for dating. Also this literally does exist, it's called polyamory.
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OwlFancier posted:Fascists are offering them what they want. Because what they want is state and social enforcement of a system that allows them to functionally and or literally own women. They are not just lured in by fascists being nice to them, they have already internalized and adopted a key position of fascist and especailly modern christian dominionist thinking, which in turn is why the fascists are nice to them. Because they very accuratley perceive them as being already most of the way to their position. As we all know, every 14 year old who just wants acceptance and a snog is actually secretly wants to own women, as that is the natural state of men. Only I, the enlighten socialist, have cast off my reactionary masculine shackles, and scorn any who is unable to do so. It's not the like the desire for affection and sexuality is quite literally a base human instinct, that all, men and women, need, and that you should tell teenage hormones to shut up and suppress their desires. Abstinence-only education works so well after all, so we should shame any man who admits to being horny at any time, that will create the society we want. Repressing natural human emotions certainly appeals to people after all.
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OwlFancier posted:Fascists are offering them what they want. Because what they want is state and social enforcement of a system that allows them to functionally and or literally own women. They are not just lured in by fascists being nice to them, they have already internalized and adopted a key position of fascist and especailly modern christian dominionist thinking, which in turn is why the fascists are nice to them. Because they very accuratley perceive them as being already most of the way to their position. No, they want that because the fascists are telling them to. Most of them don't start out believing that women should be property. They get radicalised into it from a very simple and approachable starting position, which is that they want to go on dates but they don't know how to make new connections. Sure, deradicalising people once they've been got is difficult, and I'll bow to anyone with a good argument for that not being worth the time, but it's really worrying that you'd write people off and let the fascists have them at the point that all they are is awkward young men.
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This conversation is very confusing to read. 'Treat women like human beings' should not be something that's up for debate and ejecting people who don't do that isn't self-defeating moral purity. I think there's a lot of crosstalk going on here and I don't think anyone is actually arguing with what other people are really saying because I can't follow what a lot of folk are trying to express at all.
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HopperUK posted:This conversation is very confusing to read. 'Treat women like human beings' should not be something that's up for debate and ejecting people who don't do that isn't self-defeating moral purity. I think there's a lot of crosstalk going on here and I don't think anyone is actually arguing with what other people are really saying because I can't follow what a lot of folk are trying to express at all. Thread has reached possibly its lowest ebb since the Pissflaps Era in the last couple of days. I refrained from saying anything because I have nothing better to contribute and my opinion has no relevance so I'm only adding to the noise I guess, but it's pretty confounding. I guess the holidays make people squirrelly.
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I wonder how the view on how we should treat Shamima Begum would contrast with these "incels"?
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NotJustANumber99 posted:I wonder how the view on how we should treat Shamima Begum would contrast with these "incels"? Just say what you mean. Whose view? What do you imagine their view is?
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HopperUK posted:Just say what you mean. Whose view? What do you imagine their view is? I dont think we should abandon any children who gently caress up or get hosed up. And by children I'm probably including people up to like I dunno 30?
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Happy new year. Let's hope 2023 brings the destruction of capitalism, or at the very least the end of the British state.
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I’m hungover from drinking yesterday and at home alone because my partner is working so for the first time in my adult life I’m going to bed early on New Year’s Eve 
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HopperUK posted:This conversation is very confusing to read. 'Treat women like human beings' should not be something that's up for debate and ejecting people who don't do that isn't self-defeating moral purity. I think there's a lot of crosstalk going on here and I don't think anyone is actually arguing with what other people are really saying because I can't follow what a lot of folk are trying to express at all. Pretty much all of us are dunking on OwlFancier because he assumes the people who end up turning incels are innately evil. That's what's going on.
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No, I think that if they find incel rhetoric appealing then they have already, at some point prior to that, adopted an ideal of how they should think of women and their relationships with them which is fundamentally incompatible with leftist/feminist/not being a shithead positions, and their subsequent hostility to being presented with those positions is not a "failure to be sufficiently nice to them" but a reflection of pre-existing ideological conflicts.
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OwlFancier posted:No, I think that if they find incel rhetoric appealing then they have already, at some point prior to that, adopted an ideal of how they should think of women and their relationships with them which is fundamentally incompatible with leftist/feminist/not being a shithead positions. And this is why we're dunking on you. They're alienated first, and that causes resentment, and the incel communities are very good at accepting people who are alienated and resentful. Far far better than any leftist spaces.
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Failed Imagineer posted:Thread has reached possibly its lowest ebb since the Pissflaps Era in the last couple of days. I refrained from saying anything because I have nothing better to contribute and my opinion has no relevance so I'm only adding to the noise I guess, but it's pretty confounding. I guess the holidays make people squirrelly. Ditto. The last video game I played was Lunar Rescue in the ULU Bar in about 1979. In the same year, election night when Thatcher got it, a friend and I went to Leicester Square to try to find 'Space Invaders' but we had absolutely no idea what we were looking for and ended up in Downing St going 'yah boo sucks' opposite No. 10. (you could still do that then). Anyway Happy New Year, all. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyIZO_m6oFQ
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You can draw enlightening parallels to the communists who don't do anything and turn out to be shitheads.
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What does 'accepting resentful not-quite-incels' look like though? Especially while maintaining spaces that are safe for women?
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The big thing I've learned this year - and I can't think of a better way to put this because I'm slightly drunk and full of cold - is that everyone has a soul and everyone has reasons for being who and what they are, and some people may be too deep into their pit of hatred and despair to help but most aren't, and that compassion changes hearts and minds (sometimes!! not always!! usually not with actual fascists!!) and judgement never does I also learned that I have a soul and I have reasons for being who and what I am, and some of them are quite sad, but I got a lot of help and I started to pull myself up and out of my pit of hatred and despair, and that's how I figured out the above And I know that's all wooly hippy nonsense and doesn't present any practical solutions whatsoever, but hey, I genuinely am just a mediocre midwit, I don't have any answers at all Anyway, happy new year's UKMT. Maybe 2023 is gonna be the year with all the Good Surprises. Who knows?
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endlessmonotony posted:And this is why we're dunking on you. Because they reinforce the alienation, because they take their lovely ideas and validate them. Which leftists can not do, because we don't actually think their ideas are correct, incels do, and fascists do, that is why they are nice to them and that is why they flock together.
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Failed Imagineer posted:Thread has reached possibly its lowest ebb since the Pissflaps Era in the last couple of days. I refrained from saying anything because I have nothing better to contribute and my opinion has no relevance so I'm only adding to the noise I guess, but it's pretty confounding. I guess the holidays make people squirrelly. Yeah, a lot of people talking past each other. I'd like to hope that people will get this poo poo out of their system in the next 90 minutes & we can move on from the combo of Souls games and incel
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OwlFancier posted:Because they reinforce the alienation, because they take their lovely ideas and validate them. And in order to salvage the situation, the leftists need to have a way to accept the alienated and resentful people and correct their ideas before they fall into the internet's many radicalization holes. We've tried calling them bad people with unrealistic expectations and it's very much not working. I hear a lot of "but it isn't our responsibility" but the truth is it's what fuels the rapid growth in fascism.
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Bobby Deluxe posted:If I could have one christmas wish it would be that people who are good at videos game could just admit they're good, instead of pretending that clearing the highest difficulty boss with nothing but a loincloth and a pencil is "easy actually, what's wrong with you that you can't pull off this combo that's physically impossible for a human hand." quote:Some examples of things that are primarily an accessibility issue but also affect difficulty: quote:No respawns! This is probably going to be a controversial one, but is core to understanding the difference between a game that is difficult and inaccessible: quote:Everyone else just wants to finish the loving game. And that's why difficulty sort of is and isn't an accessibility issue. Easy should mean more accessible encounters and guaranteed (but slower if you're bad) progress. It's not just a case of giving the enemies more health or more damage or greater numbers. It's about making sure there are no moments where the game says "If you cannot do this, you cannot progress." No I have nothing better to do on NYE.
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Dabir posted:Insoles you may have been first but mine's better
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Barry Foster posted:The big thing I've learned this year - and I can't think of a better way to put this because I'm slightly drunk and full of cold - is that everyone has a soul and everyone has reasons for being who and I'm pretty sure I don't have a soul but I have been programmed to believe I do, and that will never stop being extremely funny to me
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Tesseraction posted:you may have been first but mine's better spoken like someone with normal, non deformed feet
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HopperUK posted:What does 'accepting resentful not-quite-incels' look like though? Especially while maintaining spaces that are safe for women? Banning ironic hatred of men would go a long way, things have gotten a lot 4chan in that regard. Painting your ideological opponents with a broad brush is very unhelpful, there are so many ways to fall toward resenting people these days. See also: Capitalism and social status. Discussing the issues instead of dismissing people's problems as not real - especially if the people are privileged - is probably a good play. And if you think the spaces where these discussions are happening are safe for women under the status quo, uh... endlessmonotony fucked around with this message at 23:56 on Dec 31, 2022 |
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Dabir posted:spoken like someone with normal, non deformed feet nah my feet are different sizes and I walk notably strangely, often compared to Lurch even though I am average height and thus don't need to walk like he does I developed this method over time because if I didn't I would keep catching my toes on the pavement in school shoes and then I was so used to it I've kept it up since
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On the subject of ironic misandry I tend to agree, although like with any good humour it's not whether things are off-limits but whether you're making a salient critique of a social stereotype or just punching down because it's easy. Like I will never not make fun of that angle comparison schtick.
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Tesseraction posted:nah my feet are different sizes and I walk notably strangely, often compared to Lurch even though I am average height and thus don't need to walk like he does I've got one leg longer than the other, fallen arches, clawed toes and my feet are so wide that I need to go to a specialist website to buy shoes that fit, and I'm pretty sure I'm getting ripped off on quality from them.
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Dabir posted:I've got one leg longer than the other, fallen arches, clawed toes and my feet are so wide that I need to go to a specialist website to buy shoes that fit, You forgot: * Weighed 750 pounds * Parents were both Charles Manson (long story) * Wore a bath robe to school every day * Had the word "homo" instead of a mouth
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Mebh posted:Now I really want to go play some more thanks to this thread but first I've got to go farm for a perfectly statted metal king slime in Dragon Quest Treasures. I'm curious about Dragon Quest Treasures; how much like usual Dragon Quest is it? I usually get bored with Dragon Quests at some point after the Plot Twist when all the grinding and the optimising the character classes and the oh god yet another unavoidable gauntlet of palette-swapped whatsits gets to be too much work for me but treasure-hunting sounds like fun - does it still end up working like the mainline DQs or is the gameplay enough different to be worth me trying?
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In the spirit of New Years, I would like to remind everyone of the photo that artistically defined britishness, 6 years ago on NYE 2016. This renaissance masterpiece. Nothingtoseehere fucked around with this message at 00:10 on Jan 1, 2023 |
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Nothingtoseehere posted:In the spirit of New Years, I would like to remind everyone of the photo that artistically defined british, 6 years ago on NYE 2016. genuinely one of the greatest images in British history this should be the main piece in the British museum, not all the shite we stole
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Failed Imagineer posted:You forgot: joke's on you, i'm too dumb to tell if I'm being owned
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Dabir posted:joke's on you, i'm too dumb to tell if I'm being owned Never fear, I'm just dumbly referencing a classic dumb post by forums user WET BUTT. We're all dumb as poo poo here
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Tesseraction posted:genuinely one of the greatest images in British history It's genuinely how I describe Britain to people not quite up to date. Then I add "imagine hating the foreign people you hire to do your unpleasant jobs so much you destroy your own economy just to keep them away without hiring to the local poor".
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