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FreelanceSocialist
Nov 19, 2002

Pollyanna posted:

I guess my first concern would be the long term health effects of a 12.5 pound cat getting a few mL of HFCS a day. Can’t be good for your teeth either.

You could go the fish oil route, too. I figured, given the cocktail Jet is on, that he was an older cat with health issues that probably greatly outweigh any negative long-term effects of added sugar.

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Pollyanna
Mar 5, 2005

Milk's on them.


Ehhh yeah you’re not wrong.

gently caress it, I’ll try it out, why not :v:

teen witch
Oct 9, 2012
Any cool weird tips for my little dumb tabby child to go back to eating wet food? After switching his kibble to Royal Canin urinary, suddenly he doesn’t like wet food? He had hydracare ONCE and was fine but now, doesn’t like it! Can’t wet kibble either, he won’t eat it. Even cooked chicken is a no go.

I know he should go for tuna, but I’ve read it’ll only make crystals worse. It’s “formulated” for cats but like, color me skeptical.

There Bias Two
Jan 13, 2009
I'm not a good person

teen witch posted:

Any cool weird tips for my little dumb tabby child to go back to eating wet food? After switching his kibble to Royal Canin urinary, suddenly he doesn’t like wet food? He had hydracare ONCE and was fine but now, doesn’t like it! Can’t wet kibble either, he won’t eat it. Even cooked chicken is a no go.

I know he should go for tuna, but I’ve read it’ll only make crystals worse. It’s “formulated” for cats but like, color me skeptical.

Maybe you could re-introduce water into the kibble incrementally?

Hand Knit
Oct 24, 2005

Beer Loses more than a game Sunday ...
We lost our Captain, our Teammate, our Friend Kelly Calabro...
Rest in Peace my friend you will be greatly missed..
Hello friends. I am in need of help in the way that only a person asking for help at 2 in the morning can be.

I'm cat-sitting a couple of cats in their apartment. One of them is old, a ~13 year old Siamese. He is losing weight, he has awful diarrhea, he craps outside the litter box. He's on something to control the diarrhea (which seems to completely go away with two pills a day) but that doesn't stop him crapping outside the box. The first few weeks I was cat sitting this overnight floor-making GBS threads wasn't much of a problem, but it's been quite severe the past week.

He's not my cat so I'm limited in what I can do and, besides, he's apparently already been to the vet and they've done what there is they can (he's been diagnosed with "old cat IBD"). I was wondering if this thread knew anything more i could do to help manage with a cat blasting diarrhea outside the litter box. Or am I just doomed to being woken at two or three in the morning by the overpowering smell of poo poo?

Stoca Zola
Jun 28, 2008

If he’s just missing the edge of the box, put newspaper or something down to catch it, he’s doing his best. For my cats getting oversized litter trays helped contain things too, with stiff joints they just don’t seem to bother to manoeuvre their butts to aim properly. If he’s consistently pooping quite far from the box the only thing that has worked for me is to add more litter trays in the areas where the poop most frequently appears. Could just be he isn’t able to tell he needs to poop soon enough and then in old man style can’t get to the current tray fast enough (or doesn’t care to hurry). If he’s started blasting diarrhoea again, make sure he’s definitely getting his pills and not spitting them out 5 mins later where you can’t see?

Hand Knit
Oct 24, 2005

Beer Loses more than a game Sunday ...
We lost our Captain, our Teammate, our Friend Kelly Calabro...
Rest in Peace my friend you will be greatly missed..

Stoca Zola posted:

If he’s just missing the edge of the box, put newspaper or something down to catch it, he’s doing his best. For my cats getting oversized litter trays helped contain things too, with stiff joints they just don’t seem to bother to manoeuvre their butts to aim properly. If he’s consistently pooping quite far from the box the only thing that has worked for me is to add more litter trays in the areas where the poop most frequently appears. Could just be he isn’t able to tell he needs to poop soon enough and then in old man style can’t get to the current tray fast enough (or doesn’t care to hurry). If he’s started blasting diarrhoea again, make sure he’s definitely getting his pills and not spitting them out 5 mins later where you can’t see?

Thanks.

I've been trying to figure out what the reasons are. They're in the vicinity of the litter tray, but also far enough away that it's not just a question of manoeuvring. I had suspected that he might be getting confused by stray litter, but a couple nights ago I vacuumed very thoroughly before bed and it still happened. I've only actually seen it happen once. He stood outside of the litter box, began to howl until he blasted some poo poo on the floor. It was really funny outside of the fact that this was probably him in a lot of pain, like a Dragonball Z character taking a combat poo poo. The layout of the flat probably makes additional litter boxes impractical but it might be an idea to lay out newspaper for the night. Confounding variable: the other cat deciding that the spread out newspaper is great for fighting and none of the paper stays in place. I'll give it another night or two and see if it gets 'better'.

He's mercifully been really good about the pills. On the advice of the owner, I had temporarily gone from one to two pills a day. Last night was the first night returning to one. The diarrhea and disappeared but he was still making GBS threads outside the box, and the second pill pocket a day made him/it smell apocalyptic.

Stoca Zola
Jun 28, 2008

Oh no, what you described sounds like it could lead to a litter tray aversion forming. I've had it happen with urination with one of my guys who had multiple painful urinary blockages until we got him on a food that worked, basically they associate the litter tray with pain and become wary or scared of going there. I've managed to get my averse guy peeing either in a bucket, the shower, the bathtub or a tray with no litter, and if I am not quick he will get in the kitchen sink and pee there too. He's been creative with finding new "clean" places to go because he is very very fussy about being clean, but he prefers to pee while I'm watching because it helps him feel safe. He usually tells me via insistent begging meows if he wants me to watch him pee.

Anyway with your guy, it sounds like it hurt too much for him to finish the thought of getting to the tray so hopefully its that and aversion hasn't formed yet (and getting his medication and food sorted should help). In the longer term if he becomes averse it might be necessary to move or disguise or change the tray so his fear isn't triggered. Now that you know what the howl means, you might have to grab him and help him to the tray, and provide reassurance if you can, too. Not practical for all hours of the day but hopefully he has some kind of normal timing on when he goes.

Not sure if a pill pocket that is probably designed to be tasty is necessarily suitable for an IBD diagnosed cat, especially if you're noticing it having a stinky effect - this site has some alternative ideas to try for getting pills into an IBD cat https://www.ibdkitties.net/tips-tricks/

Hand Knit
Oct 24, 2005

Beer Loses more than a game Sunday ...
We lost our Captain, our Teammate, our Friend Kelly Calabro...
Rest in Peace my friend you will be greatly missed..
I had no idea about the pill pocket alternatives. I'll talk with the owner about that and, if they agree, I'll try it out. Didn't even think that that might be making it worse.

Helping him get to the tray is probably not a solution because the problem incidents are the ones happening in the dead of night. As for disguising the litter trays... that will take some creativity. I'll think about how that can be accomplished.

e: I can maybe add that he absolutely does still go into the litterboxes during the day.

JosefStalinator
Oct 9, 2007

Come Tbilisi if you want to live.




Grimey Drawer
Recently got my new kitten fixed, and he has been in his cone for about a week. No problems there, wound is healing nicely.

However, he really struggled to eat for a while, and I think he may be injuring himself. His lower lips have gotten swollen the last day or two, and since he can't really clean his face, I've had to clean food off his face fairly frequently. I noticed his lower lip getting really red/weird, and looked and it looks kind of like he is stabbing his lower lip area with his upper canines.

I'm probably gonna bring him in to the vet either Friday or Saturday, but given that it's holiday season, it's a bit tough. Would appreciate some advice on what this might be, and precisely how urgent it is to bring him in.



Slugworth
Feb 18, 2001

If two grown men can't make a pervert happy for a few minutes in order to watch a film about zombies, then maybe we should all just move to Iran!

JosefStalinator posted:

Recently got my new kitten fixed, and he has been in his cone for about a week. No problems there, wound is healing nicely.

However, he really struggled to eat for a while, and I think he may be injuring himself. His lower lips have gotten swollen the last day or two, and since he can't really clean his face, I've had to clean food off his face fairly frequently. I noticed his lower lip getting really red/weird, and looked and it looks kind of like he is stabbing his lower lip area with his upper canines.

I'm probably gonna bring him in to the vet either Friday or Saturday, but given that it's holiday season, it's a bit tough. Would appreciate some advice on what this might be, and precisely how urgent it is to bring him in.




Is he currently eating ok? If so, it's not an overly pressing issue. It's possible his canines are digging into his lip, but cats and dogs can get ulcers on their lips and gums just through gentle contact with the teeth. You'll probably be prescribed steroids and an antibiotic, and it may or may not become a recurring issue. If so, and the teeth are found to be responsible, indoor cats do just fine having their canines extracted.

JosefStalinator
Oct 9, 2007

Come Tbilisi if you want to live.




Grimey Drawer

Slugworth posted:

Is he currently eating ok? If so, it's not an overly pressing issue. It's possible his canines are digging into his lip, but cats and dogs can get ulcers on their lips and gums just through gentle contact with the teeth. You'll probably be prescribed steroids and an antibiotic, and it may or may not become a recurring issue. If so, and the teeth are found to be responsible, indoor cats do just fine having their canines extracted.

He is eating just fine now. I only started noticing it when he was in his cone - I'm wondering if this is a permanent thing or somehow being exacerbated by the cone. Let's hope he doesn't need his canines extracted, but like you said he'll live if he does!

teen witch
Oct 9, 2012
so to make sure I’m not crazy, cats with struvite in their pee should not have fish, correct?

Stoca Zola
Jun 28, 2008

Not a vet but my cat had multiple struvite crystal blockages without ever being fed fish. Thought it was more about ensuring liquid intake, and urine acidity, we used C/D and raw kangaroo meat at first and now C/D and royal canin food.

I have adopted a new cat! I’ve had him about a day and I’ve noticed what looks a lot like an abscess on his back heel. Swollen bald looking spot with a scab in the middle. Can’t get him to the vets until Monday, my gut says to pull the scab off and let the wound drain / flush it with saline, but would it be better to leave it and wait for access to antibiotics? This looks like a days old wound that was not spotted by the previous owner and has been festering quietly.

Edit: managed to get the edge of the scab up, no squirt of pus so the abscess is probably already encapsulated or whatever happens. Foot (or lower leg I guess, toes are not involved) itself looks horrible, discoloured and swollen, worse than last night; cat has trouble weight bearing which is also worse than yesterday but also seems to have decent appetite and enjoys attention so I am guessing isn’t feeling too awful yet. I found a sticky spot on the belly and on his bed so the wound has weeped a bit by itself, definitely needs vet attention and I hate having to wait… actually just managed to get booked in for an emergency appointment 15 mins from now, thank gently caress!

More edit: Surgery for I/D is booked for Monday, Dusty the new cat has had a shot of antibiotics. I am so glad I didn't leave it, by the time I got to the vets the foot looked even more black and swollen and now he has something in his system to fight it and make him more comfortable. Advice to myself: trust your gut and don't put things off. I hate to think how bad it would have gotten by Monday, untreated. It's scary how fast that went downhill.

Stoca Zola fucked around with this message at 07:37 on Nov 26, 2022

Slugworth
Feb 18, 2001

If two grown men can't make a pervert happy for a few minutes in order to watch a film about zombies, then maybe we should all just move to Iran!

Stoca Zola posted:

Not a vet but my cat had multiple struvite crystal blockages without ever being fed fish. Thought it was more about ensuring liquid intake, and urine acidity, we used C/D and raw kangaroo meat at first and now C/D and royal canin food.

I have adopted a new cat! I’ve had him about a day and I’ve noticed what looks a lot like an abscess on his back heel. Swollen bald looking spot with a scab in the middle. Can’t get him to the vets until Monday, my gut says to pull the scab off and let the wound drain / flush it with saline, but would it be better to leave it and wait for access to antibiotics? This looks like a days old wound that was not spotted by the previous owner and has been festering quietly.

Edit: managed to get the edge of the scab up, no squirt of pus so the abscess is probably already encapsulated or whatever happens. Foot (or lower leg I guess, toes are not involved) itself looks horrible, discoloured and swollen, worse than last night; cat has trouble weight bearing which is also worse than yesterday but also seems to have decent appetite and enjoys attention so I am guessing isn’t feeling too awful yet. I found a sticky spot on the belly and on his bed so the wound has weeped a bit by itself, definitely needs vet attention and I hate having to wait… actually just managed to get booked in for an emergency appointment 15 mins from now, thank gently caress!

More edit: Surgery for I/D is booked for Monday, Dusty the new cat has had a shot of antibiotics. I am so glad I didn't leave it, by the time I got to the vets the foot looked even more black and swollen and now he has something in his system to fight it and make him more comfortable. Advice to myself: trust your gut and don't put things off. I hate to think how bad it would have gotten by Monday, untreated. It's scary how fast that went downhill.
I always feel bad advising people to go to the ER for stuff that doesn't currently seem life threatening, but it's specifically because of how quickly it *can* become life threatening, and how many times I've seen the end result of "it doesn't seem that bad, let's just wait till Monday".

Which, I'm not criticizing a lot of those folks - Sometimes waiting seems really reasonable right up until things start spiraling.

FreelanceSocialist
Nov 19, 2002

Slugworth posted:

Sometimes waiting seems really reasonable right up until things start spiraling.

Especially with cats. And horses. Too little water? Too much water? Too little food? Too much food? Wrong food? Right food, wrong time of day? Full moon? Welcome to vet bill city, population: you.

FreelanceSocialist fucked around with this message at 15:41 on Nov 26, 2022

Kirk Vikernes
Apr 26, 2004

Count Goatnackh

I have a goldendoodle that stinks. My worry is that it's some underlying health issue that is causing it. He can go to the groomer or I can bathe him at home and within an hour or two, he absolutely reeks. I'm not even sure how to describe it. It's like a cross between spoiled milk and feet that were last washed a week ago.

He's about 17 months old and otherwise healthy. His teeth are good and he doesn't mess with his ears so I'm assuming it's not an infection causing the odor. I've never been able to pinpoint the source. He just smells like poo poo.

Any ideas? His vet can't see him until Friday and I'm just curious what it could be.

FreelanceSocialist
Nov 19, 2002

Kirk Vikernes posted:

I have a goldendoodle that stinks. My worry is that it's some underlying health issue that is causing it. He can go to the groomer or I can bathe him at home and within an hour or two, he absolutely reeks. I'm not even sure how to describe it. It's like a cross between spoiled milk and feet that were last washed a week ago.

He's about 17 months old and otherwise healthy. His teeth are good and he doesn't mess with his ears so I'm assuming it's not an infection causing the odor. I've never been able to pinpoint the source. He just smells like poo poo.

Any ideas? His vet can't see him until Friday and I'm just curious what it could be.

How clean are his ears? Does he scratch himself a lot? My first thought would be either an ear infection or a yeast infection.

Hand Knit
Oct 24, 2005

Beer Loses more than a game Sunday ...
We lost our Captain, our Teammate, our Friend Kelly Calabro...
Rest in Peace my friend you will be greatly missed..

Hand Knit posted:

I had no idea about the pill pocket alternatives. I'll talk with the owner about that and, if they agree, I'll try it out. Didn't even think that that might be making it worse.

Helping him get to the tray is probably not a solution because the problem incidents are the ones happening in the dead of night. As for disguising the litter trays... that will take some creativity. I'll think about how that can be accomplished.

e: I can maybe add that he absolutely does still go into the litterboxes during the day.

One week update. The move to snacks instead of pill pockets went smoothly up until yesterday, and I'm back to having to use pill pockets (tomorrow I'll start cutting a hole in the snacks and shoving the pill in there). However, in the interim, the cat has dried up, smells better, and is suddenly considerably more affectionate.

Chomposaur
Feb 28, 2010




Hoping for some advice here -- my cat has always been an intermittent vomiter and her vets had kinda shrugged it off as a sensitive stomach.

Two weeks ago she started vomiting more and meowing very insistently. I took her to the vet and she gave us Royal Canin HP to try out. She seemed to be doing well until last Friday, when she vomited HP up, and then brought up bile with a hairball in it, and then proceeded to repeatedly dry heave and bring up little amounts of bile for hours.

I got her to the urgent care and they did an xray, blood panel, and abdominal ultrasound. The bloodwork all came back normal. The preliminary imaging suggested some loose stools in the colon. Doc said we could treat it like enteritis and gave her an eight day course of amoxicillin, and if she didn't respond then we should probably come back in for an endoscopy to see if it's IBD or lymphoma. She didn't seem super confident one way or the other, it felt like just a first thing to try.

My normal vet finally opened on Monday and after looking at the final results from the imaging (I've attached the summary) she doesn't think bacterial makes sense. She suggested that I terminate the amoxicillin after five days instead of doing the full eight day course. When I questioned her on it she said that the five day course was in the standard range for amoxicillin and an unwarranted longer course might actually hurt my cat. She wants me to get her in for a special GI tract blood test that would require 12 hours of fasting.

In the meantime my cat is strictly on the HP now and has not thrown up at all but seems a little more vocal and a bit more... lethargic? or pliable? than usual. She's letting me pick her up and give her meds in ways that she would never have before. She's eating and drinking, I saw her make a well-formed poop but I haven't caught her peeing yet (I can't tell between her or her brother using the litter box).

Anyway I'm hoping someone has input on what to do here as far as the conflicting opinions on antibiotics go. This is the first time I've had a really sick lil baby and I am really struggling to figure out the best way to do right by her.

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Slugworth
Feb 18, 2001

If two grown men can't make a pervert happy for a few minutes in order to watch a film about zombies, then maybe we should all just move to Iran!

Kirk Vikernes posted:

I have a goldendoodle that stinks. My worry is that it's some underlying health issue that is causing it. He can go to the groomer or I can bathe him at home and within an hour or two, he absolutely reeks. I'm not even sure how to describe it. It's like a cross between spoiled milk and feet that were last washed a week ago.

He's about 17 months old and otherwise healthy. His teeth are good and he doesn't mess with his ears so I'm assuming it's not an infection causing the odor. I've never been able to pinpoint the source. He just smells like poo poo.

Any ideas? His vet can't see him until Friday and I'm just curious what it could be.
So it could be a yeast infection of either the ears or the skin, but also, some retrievers just... Smell. And the smell you're describing is more like the gross retriever smell than yeast. I've honestly not noticed it in any doodles, but I'm not exactly shocked either. Is his coat more retriever-y than poodle?

YourCreation
Jan 4, 2004

A little creative surgery helps turn a few sick pets into a new and improved friend!

Chomposaur posted:

Anyway I'm hoping someone has input on what to do here as far as the conflicting opinions on antibiotics go. This is the first time I've had a really sick lil baby and I am really struggling to figure out the best way to do right by her.

There is no indication for antibiotics here. Bit of a missed opportunity to sample those enlarged lymph nodes whilst doing the ultrasound, but oh well. I would check some B12 levels, supplement if necessary, and continue to trial the hypoallergenic diet. If weight loss/vomiting is ongoing then scoping is a sensible next step, ideally with an internal medicine specialist. Most chronic vomiting cats respond well to a diet change, and if they don't then scoping is usually next.

Chomposaur
Feb 28, 2010




YourCreation posted:

There is no indication for antibiotics here. Bit of a missed opportunity to sample those enlarged lymph nodes whilst doing the ultrasound, but oh well. I would check some B12 levels, supplement if necessary, and continue to trial the hypoallergenic diet. If weight loss/vomiting is ongoing then scoping is a sensible next step, ideally with an internal medicine specialist. Most chronic vomiting cats respond well to a diet change, and if they don't then scoping is usually next.

Hey thanks for this -- I ended up taking her off the antibiotics after five days because even the people at the animal hospital who prescribed it didn't seem too fussed about it when I asked them. I was deep in my head about whether it was the right decision so hearing it from another person helps, and getting another opinion on next steps.

Pollyanna
Mar 5, 2005

Milk's on them.


This cat loving hates taking pills. He’s wised up and refuses to open his mouth, and when he does he gnashes and drools all over the place and spits shut up, even when I gun to the back of his mouth and point his head up.

Liquids aren’t any better. As soon as he smells them he starts retching and if he doesn’t drool it all out, he sulks in the corner licking his lips for a solid fifteen minutes. I would feel super bad for him if he wasn’t frustrating the hell out of me. Okay, I still feel bad for him I guess, poor baby :(

The worst part is that he still gets bouts of diarrhea and gut troubles even with the meds. This doesn’t seem to be the core issue with his bowels, but at least his heart isn’t gonna seize up (yet).

Sometimes I wonder why I’m giving him this medicine - I haven’t really seen a huge change in his quality of life. Did I maybe make the wrong choice? How do I know the veterinarian is ticking him the right medicine instead of just making things more complicated?

Pollyanna
Mar 5, 2005

Milk's on them.


I have my answer. Maybe the problem isn’t that he doesn’t like being held down, it’s that the medicine is bad. I dusted off a little bit of a 1/4 clopidogrel tab and tried it.

:gonk:

No wonder the liquids are worse than the pills. I’ll have to ask the compounding pharmacy to encapsulate the cut up pills or just do it myself, this is insane.

Edit: I’m now crushing them myself. This is kind of a pain - any good tools, or am I doing something dumb? I’d like to try one of those big ol trays, but IDK how to get an even dose for every pill.

Pollyanna fucked around with this message at 18:40 on Dec 18, 2022

mycelia
Apr 28, 2013

POWERFUL FUNGAL LORD



Pollyanna posted:

I have my answer. Maybe the problem isn’t that he doesn’t like being held down, it’s that the medicine is bad. I dusted off a little bit of a 1/4 clopidogrel tab and tried it.

:gonk:

No wonder the liquids are worse than the pills. I’ll have to ask the compounding pharmacy to encapsulate the cut up pills or just do it myself, this is insane.

Edit: I’m now crushing them myself. This is kind of a pain - any good tools, or am I doing something dumb? I’d like to try one of those big ol trays, but IDK how to get an even dose for every pill.

No real advice--we're having similar issues with our cat's antidepressants--but seriously, why can't they make them with coating like human kid medicine? I know our vet has a meat-flavoured version, but it's like twice as expensive. Animals deserve not-awful medicine too :sigh:

I've just been using the flat side of a knife to crush them and alternating between different fats to hide it in. Kitten-safe mix, pate, this paste stuff the vet gave us. It's working alright.

I think I posted about her in this thread before, so: the antidepressants are working to help her overgrooming! It's just a pain getting her to take them. She has a mean right hook and no qualms about using it.

Joburg
May 19, 2013


Fun Shoe

Pollyanna posted:

I have my answer. Maybe the problem isn’t that he doesn’t like being held down, it’s that the medicine is bad. I dusted off a little bit of a 1/4 clopidogrel tab and tried it.

:gonk:

No wonder the liquids are worse than the pills. I’ll have to ask the compounding pharmacy to encapsulate the cut up pills or just do it myself, this is insane.

Edit: I’m now crushing them myself. This is kind of a pain - any good tools, or am I doing something dumb? I’d like to try one of those big ol trays, but IDK how to get an even dose for every pill.

Are you putting the pills in anything? My cats tolerate pills better in American cheese or butter. The butter works best because it leaves a big greasy mess that they have to clean off after so they are distracted from hating my guts.

Iron Crowned
May 6, 2003

by Hand Knit
I had some gabapentin compounded for my cat when she had pee problems earlier this year, and they couldn't find anything physical, so they assumed it was stress. I was given the option of chicken or seafood flavor.

This just resulted in me exclaiming "it's chicken flavored!" as I attempted to give it to her

I brought my Drake
Jul 10, 2014

These high-G injections have some serious side effects after pulling so many jumps.

A friend recommended I should talk to my vet about CBD for my arthritic elderly cat. Am I going to get laughed out of the building if I actually bring this up with my vet? If this is something that would actually help or even possibly help, I want to do it, but it just feels too much like woo and placebo.

FreelanceSocialist
Nov 19, 2002

I brought my Drake posted:

Am I going to get laughed out of the building if I actually bring this up with my vet? If this is something that would actually help or even possibly help, I want to do it, but it just feels too much like woo and placebo.

I don't think anyone will laugh at you as long as you don't turn into one of those naturopathic evangelists or something. It had a noticeable effect on our dog when she was struggling with arthritis in her later years and we used CBD pellets on a horse with trigeminal-mediated headshaking.

Slugworth
Feb 18, 2001

If two grown men can't make a pervert happy for a few minutes in order to watch a film about zombies, then maybe we should all just move to Iran!

I brought my Drake posted:

A friend recommended I should talk to my vet about CBD for my arthritic elderly cat. Am I going to get laughed out of the building if I actually bring this up with my vet? If this is something that would actually help or even possibly help, I want to do it, but it just feels too much like woo and placebo.
Definitely won't be laughed out of the building, but there's a decent chance they won't have much info or advice for you on CBD. The avma's official stance is more or less "ehhhhh, we aren't opposed to it exactly and it might have potential, but there's not much data on it, and a ton of the products on the market are inconsistent with their advertised dosages". Vets in NC for example are sort of discouraged by the state board to talk about it at all. Worth asking though, especially if you're in a bit more progressive area.

YourCreation
Jan 4, 2004

A little creative surgery helps turn a few sick pets into a new and improved friend!

I brought my Drake posted:

A friend recommended I should talk to my vet about CBD for my arthritic elderly cat. Am I going to get laughed out of the building if I actually bring this up with my vet? If this is something that would actually help or even possibly help, I want to do it, but it just feels too much like woo and placebo.

https://veterinarycannabissociety.org/pet-parents-solution/

Plank Walker
Aug 11, 2005
My mom's cat Desmond, who is about 10, has been pulling out his fur on his legs. She's spent the year with the vet trying different treatments for allergies mainly diet change and a course of prednisone with no effect on his condition. I have a friend who has had Prozac prescribed for her cats' stress issues, but can't get my mom to get her vet to prescribe it since he seems set on it being a skin issue.

Is it worth looking for a new vet? She's worried a new vet would start at square one with treatment options. We've also tried a pheromone diffuser the past month and haven't seen a change yet. Open to trying CBD or other options as well. Other than the excessive fur pulling, Desmond is healthy, has a good appetite and is very friendly and active.

Chaosfeather
Nov 4, 2008

Plank Walker posted:

My mom's cat Desmond, who is about 10, has been pulling out his fur on his legs. She's spent the year with the vet trying different treatments for allergies mainly diet change and a course of prednisone with no effect on his condition. I have a friend who has had Prozac prescribed for her cats' stress issues, but can't get my mom to get her vet to prescribe it since he seems set on it being a skin issue.

Is it worth looking for a new vet? She's worried a new vet would start at square one with treatment options. We've also tried a pheromone diffuser the past month and haven't seen a change yet. Open to trying CBD or other options as well. Other than the excessive fur pulling, Desmond is healthy, has a good appetite and is very friendly and active.

I would say definitely get a second opinion, and to try to prevent repeat treatment options have the patient history transferred to the second opinion vet. That way you have definitive proof of what has been attempted, the effects on the cat (or lack of) and can go from there.


I brought my Drake posted:

A friend recommended I should talk to my vet about CBD for my arthritic elderly cat. Am I going to get laughed out of the building if I actually bring this up with my vet? If this is something that would actually help or even possibly help, I want to do it, but it just feels too much like woo and placebo.


I agree you won't get laughed out of there, but I also don't think there's enough studies on it to conclusively say 'oh yes it definitely treats x very well'. Hopefully that will change in the future as more people give it a shot and it's more accepted.

Veritas
Aug 20, 2003
Hi all, i have a cockatiel question. Hopefully it's nothing serious.

Got a new cockatiel this year after my 17yr old buddy passed. Picked him up in May, he's already bonded and super cool. Anyways, i'll take him with me into the shower and he likes to perch on the shampoo rack, and he likes to drink the water as it comes out of the showerhead, but he'll drink a lot and then throw up (or regurgitate?), and gets diarrhea (or urinates?) for a little bit after. New behavior for me, so i don't know if its serious or not. Hoping someone has insight on this. Thank you.

Veritas fucked around with this message at 04:30 on Jan 5, 2023

go play outside Skyler
Nov 7, 2005


Veritas posted:

Hi all, i have a cockatiel question. Hopefully it's nothing serious.

Got a new cockatiel this year after my 17yr old buddy passed. Picked him up in May, he's already bonded and super cool. Anyways, i'll take him with me into the shower and he likes to perch on the shampoo rack, and he likes to drink the water as it comes out of the showerhead, but he'll drink a lot and then throw up (or regurgitate?), and gets diarrhea (or urinates?) for a little bit after. New behavior for me, so i don't know if its serious or not. Hoping someone has insight on this. Thank you.

Not veterinary advice but general advice: don't drink hot water from the tap. It is unfit for drinking in most places in the world, because water boilers don't usually actually boil the water and it can remain in the "sweet spot" of 50-60°C for days on end. Maybe that's what's making him sick?

DaveSauce
Feb 15, 2004

Oh, how awkward.
OK so this little fuzz machine:



now has IVDD. They gave him laser therapy for his poor little back, so he had to wear doggles. He refused at first until they gave him treats; he has no idea how cool he looks.

He's had issues the last few days with stairs and doesn't want to play with his ball, so we took him in today. They did some x-rays, and it shows almost no distance between a few of his vertebrae (the few on the head side of where his ribcage ends, not sure exactly which ones). So it seems like 2 discs are hosed.

Anyhow, the questions I have are:

1) How did this happen? There's no obvious incident that caused it. Is this a degenerative issue that happened over time, or did we miss the trigger? I mean, it happened and is not reversible, so it doesn't really make a difference, but I'm curious. Over christmas he was with the inlaws who are kind of dipshits sometimes and overfeed him (both kibble and doritos), and they pick him up in stupid ways, but he didn't really show symptoms until we got home. For reference, we got home Monday night, and Tuesday morning he didn't want to play. Monday night was kind of a blur so I dunno if he was really showing much symptoms that night...

2) What should we expect going forward? We're on 2 weeks of meds/rest. They did the rear paw test and I guess he passed with flying colors. Guess I'm not sure what else to say here. He's acting normal except the whole not wanting to play and the hesitance/slowness with stairs, and he walks a little slow. But otherwise he's his normal dork self.

Got 2 weeks of a NSAID and a nerve pain reliever, then we're supposed to go back in (partially because his normal vet is out sick, so we got some floater from a different practice, but also to see how he's doing with meds).

He's a little over 8 years old, about 29 lbs. Curious what the future has in store for this little guy.

Slugworth
Feb 18, 2001

If two grown men can't make a pervert happy for a few minutes in order to watch a film about zombies, then maybe we should all just move to Iran!

DaveSauce posted:

OK so this little fuzz machine:



now has IVDD. They gave him laser therapy for his poor little back, so he had to wear doggles. He refused at first until they gave him treats; he has no idea how cool he looks.

He's had issues the last few days with stairs and doesn't want to play with his ball, so we took him in today. They did some x-rays, and it shows almost no distance between a few of his vertebrae (the few on the head side of where his ribcage ends, not sure exactly which ones). So it seems like 2 discs are hosed.

Anyhow, the questions I have are:

1) How did this happen? There's no obvious incident that caused it. Is this a degenerative issue that happened over time, or did we miss the trigger? I mean, it happened and is not reversible, so it doesn't really make a difference, but I'm curious. Over christmas he was with the inlaws who are kind of dipshits sometimes and overfeed him (both kibble and doritos), and they pick him up in stupid ways, but he didn't really show symptoms until we got home. For reference, we got home Monday night, and Tuesday morning he didn't want to play. Monday night was kind of a blur so I dunno if he was really showing much symptoms that night...

2) What should we expect going forward? We're on 2 weeks of meds/rest. They did the rear paw test and I guess he passed with flying colors. Guess I'm not sure what else to say here. He's acting normal except the whole not wanting to play and the hesitance/slowness with stairs, and he walks a little slow. But otherwise he's his normal dork self.

Got 2 weeks of a NSAID and a nerve pain reliever, then we're supposed to go back in (partially because his normal vet is out sick, so we got some floater from a different practice, but also to see how he's doing with meds).

He's a little over 8 years old, about 29 lbs. Curious what the future has in store for this little guy.
It's degenerative, but can be sped along/inflamed by minor traumas. My dachshund's flares up when she jumps down from the couch.

The future is more or less impossible to guess at other than "it'll get worse over time, either slowly or quickly, depending on a lot of different factors". Your vet will go over treatment options, including whether surgery is an option. For a lot of them, you just treat flare-ups medically, and they do reasonably well long term. My dachshund has been diagnosed for about 4 years, and her day to day mobility is perfectly fine. Until, again, she decides to jump off the couch instead of using the stairs we have provided her, because she heard a chip bag in the kitchen, and the stairs take too long.

YourCreation
Jan 4, 2004

A little creative surgery helps turn a few sick pets into a new and improved friend!

DaveSauce posted:

OK so this little fuzz machine:



now has IVDD. They gave him laser therapy for his poor little back, so he had to wear doggles. He refused at first until they gave him treats; he has no idea how cool he looks.

He's had issues the last few days with stairs and doesn't want to play with his ball, so we took him in today. They did some x-rays, and it shows almost no distance between a few of his vertebrae (the few on the head side of where his ribcage ends, not sure exactly which ones). So it seems like 2 discs are hosed.

Anyhow, the questions I have are:

1) How did this happen? There's no obvious incident that caused it. Is this a degenerative issue that happened over time, or did we miss the trigger? I mean, it happened and is not reversible, so it doesn't really make a difference, but I'm curious. Over christmas he was with the inlaws who are kind of dipshits sometimes and overfeed him (both kibble and doritos), and they pick him up in stupid ways, but he didn't really show symptoms until we got home. For reference, we got home Monday night, and Tuesday morning he didn't want to play. Monday night was kind of a blur so I dunno if he was really showing much symptoms that night...

2) What should we expect going forward? We're on 2 weeks of meds/rest. They did the rear paw test and I guess he passed with flying colors. Guess I'm not sure what else to say here. He's acting normal except the whole not wanting to play and the hesitance/slowness with stairs, and he walks a little slow. But otherwise he's his normal dork self.

Got 2 weeks of a NSAID and a nerve pain reliever, then we're supposed to go back in (partially because his normal vet is out sick, so we got some floater from a different practice, but also to see how he's doing with meds).

He's a little over 8 years old, about 29 lbs. Curious what the future has in store for this little guy.

Did they find any pain on examination? I'm not sure radiographs are enough to diagnose IVDD, you would need an MRI to be definitive. Those changes to his vertrebrae may be related or may not be, hard to tell. Corgi's do get degenerative myelopathy so if he's getting worst then get him re-checked. Otherwise, if he's mobile following rest and NSAID's then just crack on and try to avoid any major acrobatics or trauma.

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Bigos
Dec 30, 2006
A Succulent Polish Treat
Hamster Help!

I have a Roborovski hamster. It's about two years old. On the weekend, it started furiously spinning in a circle. It's in one spot, like a dog chasing its tail. A lot like this, but faster https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZD7wjvupDA0 (not my hamster). It only seems to stop when it eats and drinks. It will find its food, then eat and drink fine, then go back to spinning. Sometimes it moves to its wheel or saucer and gets on it, but just spins in place on it instead of using it. Also, when it walks something seems off. I don't know how to explain it, just sometime unusual and maybe erratic in its movement. Ultimately, I know I have to take it to a vet for a proper diagnosis, but I have some questions.

I found out about Circling Disorder. I read it's more common in Robos, but usually early in life. Mine is two years old. Could it still be circling disorder?

If circling disorder, are there any treatments?

Is it even worth taking it to the vet? Given its age and potential illnesses, maybe it's better just making it comfortable and preparing for the end. Also, it's a Robo. It can still move fast and the only touch it tolerates is eating from my hand. I don't know if it's even possible to examine or treat it. Would a vet accept just looking at a cell phone video?

A biggie: is it suffering? I don't want to euthanize it if it's just acting different.

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