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Mooseontheloose posted:What I find incredibly stupid about this is what does the HFC actually want that isn't mainstream Republicanism at this point? They want no deals with Democrats, they want to use the debt limit as a cudgel to kill entitlements, no earmarks, no aid to Ukraine, stuff like that
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Kevin promised MTG would get a committee seat and now her own caucus is screwing it up for her lmao https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1610298988523311106 A MTG-Boebert feud neutralizes some of the power they have so I hope it continues
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Seth Pecksniff posted:They want no deals with Democrats, they want to use the debt limit as a cudgel to kill entitlements, no earmarks, no aid to Ukraine, stuff like that McCarthy is already doing that though.
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It's hilarious how much bickering there is over which identical bootlicker gets this job that nobody even seems to want. It's like fighting to the death over which brand of styrofoam cup to stock in the break room.
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Mooseontheloose posted:McCarthy is already doing that though. He won't on the debt limit because that'll probably be a discharge petition, and he probably wouldn't change the rules on that He'd be ok with Ukraine aid I think too They also want a balanced budget amendment and a national ban on abortions which would kill Rs in moderate districts Oh term limits too! Even though that's wildly unconstitutional as a bill
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Mooseontheloose posted:McCarthy is already doing that though. The main thing is lowering the threshold for removal of House leadership so that the most batshit individual members of the party can hold every single decision over McCarthy's head as a threat, effectively giving them complete power over the smallest details.
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Yeah the main thing is they want the ability to call wildly unpopular votes to get other members on the record. All the things that the slightly more sane Republicans would never allow to come to vote no matter how much they say they want it to happen. They are true believers, unless he gives in to literally every demand they have and never goes against them then he's a traitor to the cause. I think McCarthy will still get in most likely, but there's a lot of unpredictability here.
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So this poo poo is definitely going to be gridlocked for a while right? with the number of no's that we're seeing now I don't see how they're ever going to get this thing across the line and it seems like everyone is just digging in.
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Dick Trauma posted:Is it wrong to enjoy this? They're all so stupid and angry and rudderless. I fear what the eventual outcome could be but the process of watching the sausage gets made is fascinating.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:The last Congress has been declared sine die and the next Congress won't be sworn in until this afternoon. So are we Purging, or...?
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Judgy Fucker posted:I fear what the eventual outcome could be but the process of watching the sausage gets made is fascinating. as a great philosopher once said, I feel terrible for America but this is great content
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Fighting Trousers posted:So are we Purging, or...? Already started.
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My money is on two votes for McCarthy, a vote for Scalise, Upton, and maybe a few other candidates, and then finally a successful vote for McCarthy. Every faction has veto power, once everyone shows that they're willing use it, it becomes clear that everyone should compromise to move forward. But that would require basic political competency, so maybe not!
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In theory I agree with you, but I don't see the HFC compromising for McCarthy. Another person sure, like Scalise. But this is about taking down McCarthy singularly and I don't see how they rail against him and then all of a sudden decide "ok we'll back you now"
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It doesn't seem like McCarthy's people are all that sold on him, so yeah if the HFC actually holds it's hard to see how McCarthy doesn't get swapped for some compromise candidate. HFC gets their win and everyone else gets to move on. Only McCarthy really seems dead set on McCarthy being speaker.
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Fighting Trousers posted:So are we Purging, or...? I prefer to binge, honestly
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TGLT posted:It doesn't seem like McCarthy's people are all that sold on him, so yeah if the HFC actually holds it's hard to see how McCarthy doesn't get swapped for some compromise candidate. HFC gets their win and everyone else gets to move on. MTG will still be mad that she didn't get her sweet deal with McCarthy
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Judgy Fucker posted:I fear what the eventual outcome could be but the process of watching the sausage gets made is fascinating. The Bristol scale might describe it as sausage-like, yes.
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I haven't been following this sort of thing for awhile but, since McCarthy himself is saying there's up to twenty against him when before there were five right after he gave a big speech, doesn't that just suggest he turned a couple of the dissidents and is just driving up hype so that he can turn around and say his "historic" speech won the day?
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Cheryl Johnson is in charge while the children sort it out btw https://twitter.com/Lawrence/status/1610319409142431745
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Youth Decay posted:MTG will still be mad that she didn't get her sweet deal with McCarthy If nothing is going to be fixed and everything is going to be worse anyway, I can at least extract a vague sense of enjoyment in watching her become frustrated that a different part of the monster she is both part of and helped create is attacking her as well. Couldn't have happened to a nicer person.
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Every time I see "HFC" I think "High Fructose Cornsyrup"...only the syrup is probably more healthy. Kevin's in trouble, at least initially.  Young Freud posted:Chance the Dems vote McCarthy as a comedy option? Nearly zero, unless Kev decides to shore up his position in the short term by giving dems concessions. That would poison him long term though, so it's highly unlikely.
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Young Freud posted:Chance the Dems vote McCarthy as a comedy option? The Dems have all been instructed to vote for anyone BUT McCarthy on the first ballot IIRC
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Seth Pecksniff posted:Jake Sherman is saying it's not clear McCarthy can win on subsequent ballots either That scene from Home Alone where they realize they left Kevin behind, only instead of panicking, everybody starts partying.
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House currently voting to establish a quorum right now, in about 10-15 minutes they're going to start voting for Speaker, you can watch on C-Span here
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Piell posted:House currently voting to establish a quorum right now, in about 10-15 minutes they're going to start voting for Speaker, you can watch on C-Span here https://twitter.com/tedlieu/status/1610316616679530497?s=46&t=bpJZs4Qwnq9KH9zQmuznBA Ted Lieu has the right idea
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Youth Decay posted:https://twitter.com/tedlieu/status/1610316616679530497?s=46&t=bpJZs4Qwnq9KH9zQmuznBA Ted Lieu has the right idea He listened! Discendo Vox posted:Dems should bring popcorn onto the floor and pass it around before voting starts.
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Hearty lol at whoever that guy was in a suit and tie with bubblegum. e: oh jesus, there's another one. Except, I know Ronnie Jackson is actually a congressperson. If he also blows bubbles I'm going to lose it. Roumba fucked around with this message at 18:37 on Jan 3, 2023 |
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Young Freud posted:Chance the Dems vote McCarthy as a comedy option? Dems have already said they're going to all vote Jeffries as a bloc and frankly, never interrupt your enemy when they're infighting is a good strategy here
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-Blackadder- posted:The committee in charge of administrative matters sent a letter last week outlining the practical implications and pitfalls of a drawn-out speaker’s fight. Without an approved House Rules package, the memo outlined that committees won’t be able to pay staff. Youth Decay posted:Cheryl Johnson is in charge while the children sort it out btw  Is this like, actual Speaker Of The House By Default or is it some sort of facsimile with reduced power ElegantFugue fucked around with this message at 18:26 on Jan 3, 2023 |
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