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Rexxed posted:AntOnline has the 5800X3D for $300 also: snipe: you should get it
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Toalpaz posted:Hey, I wanna upgrade the 1800x to an okay midrange CPU. Is 7600x worth the 50% price increase over a sale 5600x? Can't drop it in to to the same motherboard due to the new socket, so it's not just a 50% increase.
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Toalpaz posted:Hey, I wanna upgrade the 1800x to an okay midrange CPU. Is 7600x worth the 50% price increase over a sale 5600x? A quick search has the 5600x at about $210-230, where the 7600x is $240 on Amazon right now (US prices). IF you have easy-ish access to a MicroCenter, they have the 7600X with a single stick of 16gb DDR5 for 250, and a hundred more gets you the 7700x with 32gb (2 sticks). As noted, you will have to get a new motherboard, and a quick look at Newegg has the cheapest one at $160.
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Jan 4, 2023 04:30
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The 7600X’s price by itself was never the issue, motherboards are still stupid.
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I'm still salty that the price reduction coincided with an end to Newegg's combo deals. There was effectively a price increase on the AM5 platform cost, and those combo deals never came back.
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Koskun posted:A quick search has the 5600x at about $210-230, where the 7600x is $240 on Amazon right now (US prices). Microcenter also has the 5600X for $160, or 5800X3D for $320 which is equal or better to the 7600x in gaming. Think that old flowchart I made as a goof is still pretty true: 
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At least the Purgatory Sphere is warm and cozy.
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Bringing a beanbag the Purgatory Sphere so I'll be comfortable.
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Wooooo! Flow chart worked for me. Upgraded from 3600 to 5800x3d. Fingers crossed I don't burn down my SFF. Glad I can give AM5 a hard pass for a few years.
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BrassRoots posted:Wooooo! Flow chart worked for me. I just upgraded my sff to a 5800x3d and it was for sure worth. Try out PBO2 Tuner. I can do a -30 on all cores on my cpu and it helped with temps a ton. On a side note, I had to update my bios and my riser cable is only 3.0 so I had to tear everything apart so I could plug the gpu in directly to set pcie at 3.0 and holy poo poo I'm not buying another case with a riser cable.
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maybe but it doesn't seem definite or anything, they might just tease them and announce them properly in a few months. the Zen 4 non-X parts are definitely being announced though
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APUuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuus. I dun wanna have to wait until loving Computex for APUs. Since these will be the first indication of what we can expect out of next gen consoles.
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BrassRoots posted:Wooooo! Flow chart worked for me. 
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lih posted:maybe but it doesn't seem definite or anything, they might just tease them and announce them properly in a few months. the Zen 4 non-X parts are definitely being announced though Hopefully it at least confirms core counts / configurations, even if availability is down the road.
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SwissArmyDruid posted:APUuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuus. I dun wanna have to wait until loving Computex for APUs. Since these will be the first indication of what we can expect out of next gen consoles. I don't think you can really extrapolate much about consoles from the APUs, can you? The console socs are all custom, generally with much larger transistor budget for the GPU and exotic memory systems like gddr6 as system ram to feed those huge GPUs. I mean I guess you can say that however fast the igpu is in the apu, a hypothetical console igpu will be much, much faster, but that's not saying much since the APUs aren't that performant anyways.
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I can't see it happening. Hell, AMD probably even has agreements with Sony and MS to not release good APUs, even if they felt like doing some whacky APU + GDDR6 motherboard.
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I’m more interested it what new APUs could mean for Steam deck-like devices.
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VorpalFish posted:I don't think you can really extrapolate much about consoles from the APUs, can you? The console socs are all custom, generally with much larger transistor budget for the GPU and exotic memory systems like gddr6 as system ram to feed those huge GPUs. We can, in that AMD's division that makes this stuff is called their "semi-custom" division. It's still AMD x86 and GPU silicon blocks, rewired however Sony or Microsoft wants them with whatever extra silicon bits in between. Current gen consoles still run off what is fundamentally a juiced Zen 2/RDNA 2 APU. Rinkles posted:I’m more interested it what new APUs could mean for Steam deck-like devices. Also interested in this, too.
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idk that you can extrapolate anything at all about PS6 performance from Zen 4 APUs, by the time there's next-gen consoles they'll be running on probably Zen 6 at the very least? a long way off stillmovax posted:Hopefully it at least confirms core counts / configurations, even if availability is down the road. https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-ryzen-7000x3d-series-coming-february-16-core-ryzen-9-7950x3d-features-144mb-cache 7800X3D, 7900X3D and 7950X3D out next month lih fucked around with this message at 01:17 on Jan 5, 2023 |
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I guess I'm sticking with the 7800X3D then. I hope my Dark Rock 4 Pro is up to the task. Also, ooh, February. edit: though that's a pretty serious jump in frequency. I wonder if they're locking these CPUs again.
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I made a New Year's resolution not to buy more computers.Here's sorta hoping that these CPUs kinda suck I guess.
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Word is, the 3D VCache CCD can only run up to 5GHz. So the 7950X3D is one VCache CCD, and one regular CCD. So the 5.7GHz clocks are on the regular cores, with the VCache cores running up to 5GHz. It'll be a weird asynchronous design, basically AMD's first foray into big.Little. Except instead of "fast cores, slow cores" it'll be "faster for cache sensitive workloads, faster for cache insensitive workloads".
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That's a lot of cache baby!
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Aw hell yeah, great timing. I was going to go to the store tomorrow to put in an order because I didn't want to wait 3 months. Hopefully prices for things will have also gone down just a bit more.
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SwissArmyDruid posted:We can, in that AMD's division that makes this stuff is called their "semi-custom" division. It's still AMD x86 and GPU silicon blocks, rewired however Sony or Microsoft wants them with whatever extra silicon bits in between. Current gen consoles still run off what is fundamentally a juiced Zen 2/RDNA 2 APU. What, exactly, can you learn? As poster above noted, new APUs will not approach the performance of current gen consoles nevermind new ones. That "juiced rdna2" APU has graphic logic 3x the size of any APU and a memory system that will never be seen in off the shelf consumer hardware.
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BurritoJustice posted:Word is, the 3D VCache CCD can only run up to 5GHz. So the 7950X3D is one VCache CCD, and one regular CCD. So the 5.7GHz clocks are on the regular cores, with the VCache cores running up to 5GHz. oh that's weird, i wonder how well the scheduling's going to work there if that's the case
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lih posted:oh that's weird, i wonder how well the scheduling's going to work there if that's the case Yeah, that was my immediate gut reaction / nausea... scheduling pains + will any updates get backported to Win10. TDP limit is bit of a bummer -- so water cooling won't really help if you can't use Ryzen Master to up the PPT, right?
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lih posted:oh that's weird, i wonder how well the scheduling's going to work there if that's the case Wow that's kind of wild. Scheduling often relies on a priority value in order to put priority tasks on "good" cores when you have asynchronous capabilities, does anyone currently do "best for x, but not y?"
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VorpalFish posted:Wow that's kind of wild. Scheduling often relies on a priority value in order to put priority tasks on "good" cores when you have asynchronous capabilities, does anyone currently do "best for x, but not y?" I'd imagine that it would simply be the cache cores get labeled as the "good" cores in existing scheduling systems and no real change needs to be made on the part of the schedulers.
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Rinkles posted:I’m more interested it what new APUs could mean for Steam deck-like devices. yeah it seems like there's a bunch of these Steam Deck-likes in development or on the market by now, all of them using laptop APUs, so any big leaps in APU tech is probably going to filter down to these devices
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Kibner posted:I'd imagine that it would simply be the cache cores get labeled as the "good" cores in existing scheduling systems and no real change needs to be made on the part of the schedulers. Kinda suboptimal if the cores without cache clock higher in some situations but I guess it's not like zen4 at 5ghz would be bad anyways...
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VorpalFish posted:Kinda suboptimal if the cores without cache clock higher in some situations but I guess it's not like zen4 at 5ghz would be bad anyways... Yeah, suboptimal, but should still work well enough for the stuff that would need it. I imagine if you are the person that actually needs the clockspeed more than the cache for a particular workload, you would be a person that would feel comfortable setting that priority yourself for that application.
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lih posted:oh that's weird, i wonder how well the scheduling's going to work there if that's the case This feels like something where the scheduling will never work exactly the way you want…
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Assuming there isn't any unexpected gotchas, I think I'll finally retire my 6700k and jump to a 7950X3D.
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hobbesmaster posted:This feels like something where the scheduling will never work exactly the way you want… It’s going to end up with thread scheduling hinting flags being added to thread control APIs so that developers can profile their applications in different scheduling configurations and figure out what the best potential thread-to core mapping looks like. Which 95% of developers will promptly massively gently caress up.
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Kazinsal posted:It’s going to end up with thread scheduling hinting flags being added to thread control APIs so that developers can profile their applications in different scheduling configurations and figure out what the best potential thread-to core mapping looks like. It will end in everything being the highest priority / most cache desiring which results in nothing being the highest priority / getting 50% odds.
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