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15 | 3.71% |
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Russia has got public health care, free education, and month long vacations. It isn’t a big deal beyond the US being such an oddity. Also, Zizek I guess didn’t want to end up a “tall tree.”
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Jan 4, 2023 07:38
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the planets dying, cloud
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Jan 4, 2023 07:44
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what if we embraced the western bureaucratic social corpocratism, but leftistly?
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Jan 4, 2023 07:46
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Portugal had a 38% literacy rate and collapsed because they wanted to keep doing colonialism
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Jan 4, 2023 07:49
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Turns out people in the wealthy parts of the EU live pretty well. You'd think that being from Slovenia, on the edges of that, Zizek might understand the consequences of that wealth.
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Jan 4, 2023 07:52
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Endman posted:Turns out people in the wealthy parts of the EU live pretty well. Ironically enough, I have friends in “richer” parts of Europe that routinely complain about how everything is getting worse. It is still better than the US but Europe is becoming more like the US than the other way around at least culturally/economically. That said, Zizek himself probably does fairly well for himself so… let them eat cake. Hey maybe it wasn’t an accident that Jory and the other big Z didn’t have a lot to argue about in the end, Zizek pretty much gave up on being disruptive in any real sense. Ardennes has issued a correction as of 08:05 on Jan 4, 2023 |
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Jan 4, 2023 07:56
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Ardennes posted:It is still better than the US but Europe is becoming more like the US than the other way around at least culturally/economically. this is 100% true and also why it’s extremely funny to see american liberals and supposed leftists uphold the EU as some kind of democratic socialist paradise and talk about how badly they want to emigrate there just because some republican won their local election
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Jan 4, 2023 08:00
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It’s the same in Australia; we’ve had a well developed welfare state and decent public healthcare, but neoliberal policy makers (both major parties) have been chipping away at it for decades to make us more like the US
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Jan 4, 2023 08:04
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Comrade Koba posted:this is 100% true and also why it’s extremely funny to see american liberals and supposed leftists uphold the EU as some kind of democratic socialist paradise and talk about how badly they want to emigrate there just because some republican won their local election  Social Democrats just made a governing coalition with the right and abolished a holiday for increased NATO tithes.The response from what little remains of the left is to literally throw bread at parliament. SplitSoul has issued a correction as of 08:07 on Jan 4, 2023 |
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Jan 4, 2023 08:05
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Comrade Koba posted:this is 100% true and also why it’s extremely funny to see american liberals and supposed leftists uphold the EU as some kind of democratic socialist paradise and talk about how badly they want to emigrate there just because some republican won their local election I think the decline is perhaps fairly subtle to Americans but yeah I have heard a lot of health care systems have been steadily undermined from the inside out, and the cost of living is getting punishing. (Also, parts of the EU still have high unemployment.) It depends on the country but transit/trains are often not that cheap (the Netherlands seems to be pretty bad) while something is clearly going wrong with the German rail system. I guess they are still problems Americans “wished they had” but yeah plenty is going wrong even before the latest crisis.
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Jan 4, 2023 08:13
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Slavvy posted:You guys have used an Al saqr post to collectively create an mlmp argument without even involving him, impressive What's a "much like my posting" argument?
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Jan 4, 2023 08:40
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What the gently caress is "third-world fake anti-colonizers" lol. EU is gearing up to impose this "carbon import tax" to essentially penalize and slow down the industrialization effort of the 3rd world countries, and you are calling 3rd world people who don't agree with EU the fake anti-colonizer? stephenthinkpad has issued a correction as of 08:57 on Jan 4, 2023 |
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Jan 4, 2023 08:43
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lollontee posted:zizek what the gently caress are you doing u either die a hero or u live long enough to see yourself turn into a shitlib shill
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lollontee posted:zizek what the gently caress are you doing What being too clever for marx does to a motherfucker 3D Megadoodoo posted:What's a "much like my posting" argument? It's your first post in this most hallowed of threads, you tell me
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stephenthinkpad posted:What the gently caress is "third-world fake anti-colonizers" lol. it's a fairly common retort among anticommunists that various left-wing groups (to say nothing of an entire nation like China) are not "genuine" anti-colonizers and are simply gunning for power and influence for themselves, but are using "anti-colonialism" as leverage
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Jan 4, 2023 08:57
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Lostconfused posted:Huh, I guess you do have to hand it to il Duce. Mussolini was a much more "normal" politician than Hitler, but his whole deal was wanting an overseas empire like Britain and France. The Italian elites who assented to Il Duce were completely on board with this, which is why Italy spent the early '30s fighting furious colonial wars. The Nazi project for a settler-colony across Eastern Europe was fundamentally the same thing, but they caught the attention of France and the UK for various reasons.
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Jan 4, 2023 08:59
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Slim Jim Pickens posted:Mussolini was a much more "normal" politician than Hitler, but his whole deal was wanting an overseas empire like Britain and France. The Italian elites who assented to Il Duce were completely on board with this, which is why Italy spent the early '30s fighting furious colonial wars. The Nazi project for a settler-colony across Eastern Europe was fundamentally the same thing, but they caught the attention of France and the UK for various reasons. Yeah, I think Zizek's point is that Nazi Germany was unusual even among fascist regimes historically in that it was more geopolitically revisionist than the other regimes he named. There wasn't just a drive to build an empire; there was also the "payback for Versailles" fervor helping to fuel it. I don't think Zizek made that point particularly well, but there is truth to it.
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Jan 4, 2023 09:58
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stephenthinkpad posted:What the gently caress is "third-world fake anti-colonizers" lol. me
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Jan 4, 2023 10:05
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Ardennes posted:Russia has got public health care, free education, and month long vacations. It isn’t a big deal beyond the US being such an oddity. forget russia, even india technically has that (quality might be variable) and its about as firmly in the periphery as it gets. South Africa also has all those things and those guys were essentially colonized until after the USSR collapsed.
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Jan 4, 2023 10:12
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Slavvy posted:What being too clever for marx does to a motherfucker no doubt, motherfucker thinks he's got some transcendental revelation that means this time corporate capitalism is actually gonna result in loving socialism, cuz we totally got dis sheit down cuz uh... hmm
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Jan 4, 2023 10:26
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lollontee posted:no doubt, motherfucker thinks he's got some transcendental revelation that means this time corporate capitalism is actually gonna result in loving socialism, cuz we totally got dis sheit down cuz uh... hmm *sniiiiiiiff*
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Jan 4, 2023 10:39
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Majorian posted:*sniiiiiiiff* Don't smell Ligur.
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Jan 4, 2023 10:42
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lollontee posted:no doubt, motherfucker thinks he's got some transcendental revelation that means this time corporate capitalism is actually gonna result in loving socialism, cuz we totally got dis sheit down cuz uh... hmm Slavoj Bernstein Edit: Bernstein Bernstien Bernstie Bernsie Bernie !!! gradenko_2000 has issued a correction as of 10:45 on Jan 4, 2023 |
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Jan 4, 2023 10:43
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Bernstein is BEB
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SplitSoul posted:*sniff*zek oof he's become one pathetic oval office
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Jan 4, 2023 11:05
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if i were a 70 yo with bills to pay, constantly refering myself to a miserable dog and my only professional skill shilling i'd sell out Isentropy posted:Portugal had a 38% literacy rate and collapsed because they wanted to keep doing colonialism we just hated reading that much
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Jan 4, 2023 11:09
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SplitSoul posted:*sniff*zek he got them to print this even with the editing (unquoted for posterity). this is his most interesting work in a while.  RFE/RL: With all the points you have made, professor, I think the central point, the gist of the question, still remains unanswered. Because what I asked was, is it an ideology that is imposed by the Kremlin leadership? Or is it an ideology that is embraced by the nation? Because that leads us then to another question of collective guilt and the question of whose war is it that is now happening in Ukraine? Is it Russia's war or Putin's war? Zizek: Maybe I'm even too optimistic here. I would like to find, maybe…a middle way. First, don't underestimate, even among ordinary Russians, this idea that we were a great power, with the Soviet [Union] and all that. This is a popular trend. But I nonetheless think that…Russia is deeply divided. The majority is neutral, but neutral in a cynical way. It will happen in the same [way] as with Milosevic in Serbia. He lost power, not because of his terrible politics of ethnic cleansing, but because he lost the war. If Putin will succeed, this will make him genuinely more popular. If not, then of course, he will be proclaimed a dictator who misused Russia and so on. So, I am not ready…to blame Russian people as such, to brand them totalitarian, fascist and so on. They are somewhere in between, as most people are, but their tradition, the Orthodox Church, is, I claim, dangerous. There are tremendous achievements of Russian culture. For example, if you ask me, the three greatest writers of the 20th century, I think they are [Irish novelist and playwright] Samuel Beckett, not [Irish writer James] Joyce -- he's pretentious, Finnegans Wake? Who wants to read that? -- [German-speaking Bohemian novelist] Franz Kafka, and [Soviet writer] Andrei Platonov. [Platonov was] a faithful communist -- he was fighting for the Red Army. But in his[novel], The Foundation Pit, they dig a big hole for a new socialist building, [and] all that remains is a hole. It's so fascinating [that] even before Stalinism, he saw the nihilistic dimension of the Bolshevik project. So, as every culture, Russian culture is deeply divided. The struggle is going on, which is where I don't agree with my Ukrainian friends when they say let's boycott Russian culture as such, and so on and so on. Aren't we leaving them to Putin, by allowing him to present himself as the inheritor of Russian culture?…. So, Russia is in deep conflict with itself. That would be my answer…. We simply cannot say [whether] they are terrorizing the majority or [if it] has some roots also in the broad mass of people. RFE/RL: You did say that the relationship of the Russian people with Putin will depend on whether he wins this war or not. . . .
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Jan 4, 2023 11:12
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it's comforting to know that Zizek is carrying on the proud tradition of white leftists being complete frauds and useless navel gazing cowards who jerk off intellectually nonstop but when push comes to shove will automatically fall in line rather than confront any narrative pushed on them. Second-international-rear end-cowards, the lot of them the only decent euro leftist with any real weight left is Yanis Varoufakis.
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Jan 4, 2023 11:46
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This whole war Zizek has been to the right of Yanis, I'm not sure if that's news to anyone but it is consistent.
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Jan 4, 2023 12:48
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https://twitter.com/POLITICOEurope/status/1610598435568205827
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Jan 4, 2023 12:53
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Surprised I haven't seen more of this guy, he seems like a bit of a character https://twitter.com/ARTESOSCURASBOO/status/1582426884666638336 https://twitter.com/ZoryaLondonsk/status/1548034214368423937
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Jan 4, 2023 13:08
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Majorian posted:Yeah, I think Zizek's point is that Nazi Germany was unusual even among fascist regimes historically in that it was more geopolitically revisionist than the other regimes he named. There wasn't just a drive to build an empire; there was also the "payback for Versailles" fervor helping to fuel it. I don't think Zizek made that point particularly well, but there is truth to it. Yeah that is a hard point to make, because saying revanchism being an uncommon trait for fascism seems insane to me.
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Jan 4, 2023 13:19
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Slim Jim Pickens posted:Mussolini was a much more "normal" politician than Hitler, but his whole deal was wanting an overseas empire like Britain and France. The Italian elites who assented to Il Duce were completely on board with this, which is why Italy spent the early '30s fighting furious colonial wars. The Nazi project for a settler-colony across Eastern Europe was fundamentally the same thing, but they caught the attention of France and the UK for various reasons. In spite of the fact that we have no such fleet as we should have, we have conquered for ourselves a place in the sun. It will now be my task to see to it that this place in the sun shall remain our undisputed possession, in order that the sun's rays may fall fruitfully upon our activity and trade in foreign parts, that our industry and agriculture may develop within the state and our sailing sports upon the water, for our future lies upon the water. The more Germans go out upon the waters, whether it be in races or regattas, whether it be in journeys across the ocean, or in the service of the battle flag, so much the better it will be for us. For when the German has once learned to direct his glance upon what is distant and great, the pettiness which surrounds him in daily life on all sides will disappear. Whoever wishes to have this larger and freer outlook can find no better place than one of the Hanseatic cities....we are now making efforts to do what, in the old time, the Hanseatic cities could not accomplish, because they lacked the vivifying and protecting power of the empire. May it be the function of my Hansa during many years of peace to protect and advance commerce and trade! As head of the Empire I therefore rejoice over every citizen, whether from Hamburg, Bremen, or Lübeck, who goes forth with this large outlook and seeks new points where we can drive in the nail on which to hang our armor. Therefore, I believe that I express the feeling of all your hearts when I recognize gratefully that the director of this company who has placed at our disposal the wonderful ship which bears my daughter's name has gone forth as a courageous servant of the Hansa, in order to make for us friendly conquests whose fruits will be gathered by our descendants!
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Jan 4, 2023 13:27
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Anyways, what I'm saying is that none of this sounds like fascism. That's just being European.
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Jan 4, 2023 13:38
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Danann posted:https://twitter.com/lnedos/status/1610254607694893060 Interesting, and lines up with how the Russians withdrew. They left the city because they claimed the Ukrainians would blow the dam flooding the river and trapping their defenders in Kherson. The wiki page for Kherson still quotes the old articles where Ukrainian officials claimed the Russians were destroying the bridges, which contradicts this latest confession. It never made sense anyway. Why would Russia destroy the bridges connecting it's defenders to the rest of the army. It makes as much sense as Russia blowing up its own pipeline.
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Jan 4, 2023 14:20
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Marenghi posted:It never made sense anyway. Why would Russia destroy the bridges connecting it's defenders to the rest of the army. It makes as much sense as Russia blowing up its own pipeline. they blew up the bridges to show that they c….yeah, this bit is getting tired now
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Jan 4, 2023 14:29
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lol https://twitter.com/tsihanouskaya/status/1610353667483254786
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Jan 4, 2023 14:32
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is this war even happening anymore ?
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lollontee posted:no doubt, motherfucker thinks he's got some transcendental revelation that means this time corporate capitalism is actually gonna result in loving socialism, cuz we totally got dis sheit down cuz uh... hmm It's quite a take, because one could argue that industrial capitalism (focused on commodity production), seen as distinct from financial capitalism (focused on rent collection), will develop into socialism through the expected ways, but that requires a multipolar world, and in that world China gets there first. Europe and the US run dead last in that race. Fat-Lip-Sum-41.mp3 has issued a correction as of 14:37 on Jan 4, 2023 |
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Danann posted:https://twitter.com/lnedos/status/1610254607694893060 drat every case so far of dam threats have been the ukranian side, cant wait for the next one so we can see the usual suspects wring their hands about how russia could do it and why they'd do it but never entertain the fact that its been ukraine doing it all the time so far.
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