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Jippa posted:I used to get given lucozade when I was sick as a kid. It's good if you have been puking I suppose. Any sugary drink is good to give to a kid thats sick with flu or stomach stuff to keep their energy going. Lucozade was too pricey for us back then, instead we had 'brown lemonade', Not sure you had this on the mainland https://www.google.ie/search?q=brown+lemonade+ireland
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Brown lemonade is fine but inferior to its cousin, red lemonade. And both are put in the ha'penny place by the King Of Carbonation, Tanora
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Is that like the ireland only version of kia ora but it has an orangeman on the bottle?
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Not to start a Monster Munch-esque scrap but: hot Vimto > hot Ribena.
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Failed Imagineer posted:Brown lemonade is fine but inferior to its cousin, red lemonade. And both are put in the ha'penny place by the King Of Carbonation, Tanora For reasons that completely eluded me until now I was handed a bottle of tanora by some heart shaped mascot in Cork airport coming out of arrivals last week. I admire the effort but someone clearly carrying four times their bodyweight in luggage does not need a 2L bottle to lug around as well. Do taytos next time Cork airport. Or do one better and have flights to more than like 3 destinations.
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The true god of obscure Irish pop
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StarkingBarfish posted:For reasons that completely eluded me until now I was handed a bottle of tanora by some heart shaped mascot in Cork airport coming out of arrivals last week. I admire the effort but someone clearly carrying four times their bodyweight in luggage does not need a 2L bottle to lug around as well. Do taytos next time Cork airport. Or do one better and have flights to more than like 3 destinations. Lol, this is the most quintessentially Cork thing I've ever heard, and I treasure it
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Failed Imagineer posted:Brown lemonade is fine but inferior to its cousin, red lemonade. And both are put in the ha'penny place by the King Of Carbonation, Tanora
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smellmycheese posted:The true god of obscure Irish pop okay what is the brand there because I can't stop seeing MCaids
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McDaids, of Donegal.
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McAids is Stanley McMurtry every time he tries to draw a cartoon about Africa, the oval office. e: Sorry, Stanley McMurtry MBE. Because of course.
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smellmycheese posted:The true god of obscure Irish pop I've seen uber drivers leave these on the side of the road
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What does football special taste like? Presumably special football but can it be described by comparison to another foodstuff?
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maybe like the taste of seeing your wife gently caress your best friend in your pool https://twitter.com/tristandross/status/1610640423399358464
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My Irish health drink has always been flat 7up (regular 7up with some sugar sprinkled in). I'm currently drinking it after getting a stomach bug during the holidays.
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I'm surprised to see so many people ITT bringing out the classic "maths at school is pointless, I've never needed to solve for x in real life lol". Usually this thread is pretty good about not dismissing the teaching of literature, or art, or dance just because it won't help you with your job in the spreadsheet factory. Maths is both an abstract, artistic pursuit that some people do just for the fun of it, and absolutely essential to every aspect of modern, technological life we take for granted. Jaeluni Asjil posted:
I agree that it's essential to know these things, but this is stuff you can teach a 10-year-old. It's basically a different topic altogether. Stopping a maths education here is like teaching someone to read well enough to puzzle out food packaging but never introducing them to a book. They'll be able to survive, but you're doing kids a huge disservice in not showing them the actually interesting stuff the subject has to offer. I haven't seen many people argue we should stop teaching biology, chemistry and physics at school. Everyone working in the physical sciences needs a foundation in at least the basics of statistics, calculus, vectors and matrices, and probably real analysis and linear programming. At that point you can mostly read enough of the scientific literature to get by and you'll figure out yourself where you need to learn more. But then there aren't that many science jobs out there, maybe we should just stop teaching anything in that direction at all? State school kids should be fine with just the three Rs for their jobs as Uber drivers and chimney sweeps for the people who matter, and if you want your kid to learn more you can just pay to have them taught privately.
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I think you do need to have a desire and aptitude for a lot of subjects though, maths being one of them. I have never been able to do it or wanted to do it, so trying to make it mandatory seems like a waste of a lot of people's time.
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Sure, that's true. But you'll never know what you're good at it if you don't have at least a decent introduction to it. I'm not saying everyone should be forced into A level maths classes (was that the original proposal? I forget). I was responding to the several posters who said they just than count on their fingers so why would anyone need to learn more? e: Aphex- posted:I've learned more in maths watching Numberphile videos than I ever did at school. Helps to have people passionate about teaching it rather than my teacher who threw chairs across the room at kids who didn't understand simultaneous equations. That maths is taught badly at school is probably mostly true, and I think the root of so many people thinking they are bad at it and thus ending up hating it. I don't think an aptitude for maths can be that rare, but almost everyone claims to be terrible at it. big scary monsters fucked around with this message at 16:12 on Jan 4, 2023 |
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ThomasPaine posted:I continue to be perplexed by Sameera Khan, former OK-ish left-wing pundit who campaigned for Sanders back in 2016. She's been on quite a journey from there, first going full terminally online Lion of Syria tankie before apparently ditching any pretense of being on the left at all to become a full on reactionary who's completely uncritically pro-Russian invasion of Ukraine and hero worships both Putin and Ramzan bloody Kadyrov. Currently big into Islamic conservatism, constantly posting about how traditional gender roles are great and LGTBQ+ is the worst and actually the Taliban are a great bunch of lads and the rest of it. Certain people get involved in the left out of contrarianism, basically. But then when they start hanging about on the left, they start hearing those arguments more and more and so being contrary means being right wing.
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I've learned more in maths watching Numberphile videos than I ever did at school. Helps to have people passionate about teaching it rather than my teacher who threw chairs across the room at kids who didn't understand simultaneous equations.
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big scary monsters posted:I'm surprised to see so many people ITT bringing out the classic "maths at school is pointless, I've never needed to solve for x in real life lol". if maths was actually taught as an art it might have some value, so if they chose to do that instead of dragging out the rote bullshit even longer it might be worth supporting the change as it is the first year of any degree involving heavy use of mathematics, either practical or theoretical, seems to be just "yeah you were taught badly by idiots, here's how you should think about and use these tools, sorry about that"
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big scary monsters posted:I'm surprised to see so many people ITT bringing out the classic "maths at school is pointless, I've never needed to solve for x in real life lol". If you want to get teens interested in maths or art or literature then you have to give them an interest, and it can't be "you need to learn Dickens in case you need to read a mortgage contract in 15 years" because that's the exact opposite of that, it diminishes both.
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there's no profit in the average person not being afraid of numbers, then who would we confuse with statistics in order to sell things to. no, we just need a carefully moulded elite who can do all the sums for us, and everyone else who is led to think it's their fault and they're just lazy/defective of course I don't imagine Sunak's plan will do anything at all to fix this, unless he wants mandatory guided classes in how it's actually quite possible to work out how the tories are lying to you if you haven't been traumatised at the sight of percentage signs. Might slightly increase the percentage of each pupil getting to meet at least one maths teacher who actually knows how to teach them, but will probably just increase the slog for most people while giving a subset of the future managerial class a bit more practice at calculating interest rates or something.
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To be honest I do think that maths should be taught in schools but I also agreed with Richard Murry on Jeremy Vine earlier where he speaks about how the government very deliberately keep the populace innumerate to disguise their failings as custodians of the nation.
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All education is good but realistically a working knowledge of critical thinking, literature, history, geography, philosophy etc is far more important for turning out well adjusted thoughtful people than any STEM subject, imho. A basic understanding of scientific/mathematical principles is good to combat misinformation etc but you don't really need more than that unless you plan to work in a relevant field or have a personal interest, and I'd say it's probably more useful to encourage people to be thoughtful enough to acknowledge when they don't have the specialist expertise to contribute to a discussion on whatever topic.
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A fundmental knowledge of the physical basis of how the world works - so scientific understanding - is as important as a cultural and sociological one. Both are equally important - understanding chemistry or biology but not how human societies function is bad, but so is a grasp of economics and culture without a scientific underpinning of what is possible and what is not. None of this is relevant to Sunaks damp squib of an announcement, which ignores the very reason that so many kids come out of school innumerate is that their teaching is poo poo and their environment - both in school and at home - is poo poo. A teacher who could get kids to enjoy the wonders of mathematics would be great, but first we need one who exists and actually can teach maths beyond handing out worksheets.
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ThomasPaine posted:All education is good but realistically a working knowledge of critical thinking, literature, history, geography, philosophy etc This is how you breed Tory MPs.
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If we want to get incredibly Foucault about it, school is a bit like prison, in that nobody can agree if the prison is suppose to punish, rehabilitate, or segregate, so it does a piss poor job of all three. Schools are more similar than most care to admit, because in the same way nobody can agree if they are supposed to provide moral instruction and discipline, create the basis of an educated citizen, or just keep kids out of the way for a few hours each day while parents work.
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Maybe I've been blanking out just how poo poo maths was at school. I do have a memory from I think Year 2 where I'd figured out a way to do subtraction that made more sense to me than how it was taught and the teacher marked my work as wrong because while the answers were right I wasn't following the proper steps. Much later most of my A level further maths courses we'd go across the road from school and get nicely stoned before doing 3 hours of rote SODEs or whatever.
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big scary monsters posted:Maybe I've been blanking out just how poo poo maths was at school. I do have a memory from I think Year 2 where I'd figured out a way to do subtraction that made more sense to me than how it was taught and the teacher marked my work as wrong because while the answers were right I wasn't following the proper steps. Much later most of my A level further maths courses we'd go across the road from school and get nicely stoned before doing 3 hours of rote SODEs or whatever. BBODMAS (the extra B is for Blunts)
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OwlFancier posted:Is that like the ireland only version of kia ora but it has an orangeman on the bottle? No, it's Kia IRA, obviously. big scary monsters posted:I'm surprised to see so many people ITT bringing out the classic "maths at school is pointless, I've never needed to solve for x in real life lol". Maths isn't pointless but anything beyond arithmetic isn't actually that useful for most people, despite it being at the root of lots of technology. So is the manufacturing of silicon chips & we don't make that mandatory in school either. This isn't to argue for less maths though, that's kind of besides the point. Ultimately it's a problem of pedagogy, as with all these things. We don't teach kids for pleasure, for the joy of accumulation of knowledge, for the ability to think critically & freely for themselves, we do it to create nice little worker drones who know their place. So from that perspective I do think it's loving pointless to make maths teaching mandatory until 18. I'm not sure that actually addresses the innumeracy problem Sunak claims to care about. If people having a dogshit grasp of basic addition, subtraction, multiplication & division was that important to these people then I'm not really convinced of 2 more years of the same poo poo that already hasn't worked in helping them get beyond a primary school level of numeracy. Rishi Sunak says he wants everyone to have the same education he had. But of course he went to Winchester College, with class sizes even smaller than Eton (the numbers I find suggest 12 per class for senior school & 8 for 6th form). I went to Culloden Academy where the average class size was probably around 25-30 depending on the subject, & maybe 20 or so for 5th & 6th year. Actually ensuring everyone receives the education he got would require the most ambitious public spending on anything since the NHS was founded, hiring enough teachers, making sure they are actually good educators, building enough schools, actually having the sort of curriculum you get at these top end private schools, & while I have no problem with that as an actual goal I don't think the necessary spending is happening under the Tories.
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Rarity posted:XR are giving up protesting lol Pouring one out for the security services, back to the drawing board. Guavanaut posted:If we want to get incredibly Foucault about it, school is a bit like prison, in that nobody can agree if the prison is suppose to punish, rehabilitate, or segregate, so it does a piss poor job of all three. This is it. Schools have ended up being some sort of half-hearted daycare for kids because both parents have to work forkboy84 fucked around with this message at 16:52 on Jan 4, 2023 |
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OwlFancier posted:I think you do need to have a desire and aptitude for a lot of subjects though, maths being one of them. I have never been able to do it or wanted to do it, so trying to make it mandatory seems like a waste of a lot of people's time. loving hell, imagine how dumber the world would be if you didn't have to do maths.
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happyhippy posted:loving hell, imagine how dumber the world would be if you didn't have to do maths.
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