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Well I havent watched hockey since 2002 so The nba just this year did away with “take fouls” on transition opportunities for example to make the game more fun to watch . Arguably take fouls were a huge strategic gambit now done away with by the rules
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euphronius posted:That is not the only reason they are banning the shift I picked that NBA example for a reason. My point is that it is good and fine to make rule changes to make the sport more fun to watch but doing so by directly dictating strategy is lazy and bad. The NBA did this once upon a time by banning double teams and zone defense. They fixed it by adding the 3-point line, which is cool and good. Now instead of saying " you cant defend in that particular way" there is simply a mechanism in the game itself by which offenses can punish a team defending in that way. This is a more elegant and ultimately aesthetically pleasing route to take. But also, has MLB articulated anywhere any reason for banning the shift other than trying to increase balls in play and thus "game action?" Cause that's all I've seen from the league on the topic. bawfuls fucked around with this message at 17:41 on Jan 4, 2023 |
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Jan 4, 2023 17:38
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euphronius posted:Well I havent watched hockey since 2002 so Take fouls also resulted in a disproportionate number of injuries
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bawfuls posted:How am I possibly talking past you this much? I don’t think your phrase but doing so by directly dictating strategy is lazy and bad is particularly meaningful as “strategy” is too broad of a concept . Is your implied solution that left handers should bunt I guess ? That does not seems like “a more elegant and ultimately aesthetically pleasing” route I don’t want to watch Bryce Harper bunt for example
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Jan 4, 2023 17:43
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euphronius posted:I don’t think your phrase but doing so by directly dictating strategy is lazy and bad is particularly meaningful as “strategy” is too broad of a concept . Outlawing zone defense is directly dictating specific tactics. Adding a 3-point line is building a new incentive into the game which can punish zone defense organically. The latter is preferable to the former. I already mentioned my proposed solution, but there are multiple. In baseball the equivalent might be shrinking the strike zone, allowing hitters to focus more on quality contact. This could change the incentives for hitters, making them more eager to put the ball in play and even enable better ones to do so with more bat control. Thus we might see increased balls in play and more even spray of those balls, naturally reducing the defensive advantage of the shift. Alternatively, they might move the mound back 6" which could have similar effect on reducing strikeouts. There are many things they could do that aren't simply dictating where players can stand on the field. bawfuls fucked around with this message at 17:52 on Jan 4, 2023 |
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Jan 4, 2023 17:48
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euphronius posted:I haven’t paid attention to hockey in 20 years but didn’t they eventually ban the neutral zone trap ? They didn’t make the trap itself illegal, they changed some rules to make it less effective. They eliminated the two line pass rule and added the goalie trapezoid behind the net to make it easier for teams to get through a neutral zone trap, but the trap itself is still legal.
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Jan 4, 2023 17:53
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That makes sense. We will see what happens. The league is a bit ham fisted as we are all aware.
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Jan 4, 2023 17:53
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What's gonna happen is a subset of mostly left handed hitters like Corey Seager and Max Muncy will see their AVG rise 10-30 points and league overall BABIP will go up like 5 points, and balls in play will remain unchanged as strike outs continue to rise. MLB will declare it a great success when old people praise them for not having to witness 3 defenders on the right side of the infield. Baseball will still have fewer balls in play than ever, and be "boring" as a result.
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Jan 4, 2023 17:57
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Since the game isn't appealing enough for the fans (sports bettors and gambling company sponsors), I think next we need to outlaw throwing anything but fastballs so we can get more exciting balls in play
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Jan 4, 2023 18:00
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zoux posted:Bringing back what the fans really clamor for: seeing eye groundballs I was clamoring for seeing eye ground balls 
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Jan 4, 2023 18:06
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Under the new MLB Pure Championship rules, pitchers are allowed three offspeed pitches per game
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Jan 4, 2023 18:10
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Cubs trade bad RH reliever Eric Uelmen to Phillies for ca$h, freeing up a spot on the 40.
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Jan 4, 2023 18:11
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bawfuls posted:Baseball will still have fewer balls in play than ever, and be "boring" as a result. But they aren't going to fix this by tinkering with defense, they have to attack strikeouts more directly (shrink the zone, move back the mound, etc).
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Jan 4, 2023 18:11
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Cubs also signed Brad Wieck to a minor league deal, this post is brought to you by Humiliating Quote/Edit Mistakes.
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Jan 4, 2023 18:11
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I like strikeouts. Because they are fascist.
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Jan 4, 2023 18:12
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bawfuls posted:To be clear I do think this is a real problem that the sport must address. Balls in play are more dynamic and exciting than strike outs. Great defense is very fun to watch and also the most obvious-to-newcomers display of raw athleticism in baseball. baseball should simply ban relief pitching, problem solved.
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Jan 4, 2023 18:13
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I’ve never been a fan of the shift, it’s always felt against the spirit of the game to me (if that even means anything). Seeing a 3B catch a pop up down the right field line is bizarre to me, but I’m not sure if banning it really matters. What really needs to happen is for the science of hitting to catch up to the science of pitching, the gap between those two areas has gotten too big over the last decade. Or find a way to nerf pitching in general, add rules to 100 mph pitches that limit you to two per inning like my beer league softball team does with home runs.
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Jan 4, 2023 18:15
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Ok December is over I can start playing OOTP again
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Jan 4, 2023 18:16
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BigDumper posted:I’ve never been a fan of the shift, it’s always felt against the spirit of the game to me (if that even means anything). Seeing a 3B catch a pop up down the right field line is bizarre to me, but I’m not sure if banning it really matters.
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Jan 4, 2023 18:24
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bawfuls posted:by shrinking the strike zone and moving the mound back Good luck getting these dumbass umps to recognize a smaller strike zone
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Jan 4, 2023 18:25
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MLB should reduce the active roster pitcher limit to... 11 maybe? I could see 10. Keep the pitcher IL at 15 days, limit optioning to reduce the AAA-MLB revolving door (they might already be doing this, I forget). Especially with the zombie runner in the regular season, 7 pitchers should be plenty for basically any game. This would incentivize keeping starters in the game longer, which means they're less incentivized to go 100% on every pitch since they know they're only going to see 18 batters. Relievers that can pitch for 4-6 outs would be prioritized, so again, flamethrowers would want to take something off to keep up.
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Jan 4, 2023 18:25
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I think the game is fine as it is. I think the solution to the shift problem is to "learn how to hit the other way" and the reason that they aren't is because cranking in your wheelhouse for power is going to deliver better results over time than intentionally slapping or bunting singles against the shift.
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Jan 4, 2023 18:28
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BigDumper posted:Good luck getting these dumbass umps to recognize a smaller strike zone but seriously, they did this in 1969 and it worked fine back then more falafel please posted:MLB should reduce the active roster pitcher limit to... 11 maybe? I could see 10. Keep the pitcher IL at 15 days, limit optioning to reduce the AAA-MLB revolving door (they might already be doing this, I forget). Especially with the zombie runner in the regular season, 7 pitchers should be plenty for basically any game. This would incentivize keeping starters in the game longer, which means they're less incentivized to go 100% on every pitch since they know they're only going to see 18 batters. Relievers that can pitch for 4-6 outs would be prioritized, so again, flamethrowers would want to take something off to keep up. Try changing the zone, the mound, the ball, etc etc before you resort to rules about player usage. bawfuls fucked around with this message at 18:33 on Jan 4, 2023 |
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Jan 4, 2023 18:28
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bawfuls posted:that's what the robots are for They did it just as recently as the early 2000s when the broadcasts started putting in strike zone overheads. Like, say what you will about how bad umpires are, but they've shown actual ability to adapt to technology to call games better. I personally think that doing something like instituting robot umpires goes way further against the spirit of the game than the shift but I'm aware I'm losing that battle. If MLB wanted to change the strike zone, umpires would adapt fine. This video does a good job recapping how umpires got better at calling the "true strike zone" as tech got better. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nX_ZphDNQM&t=513s
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Jan 4, 2023 18:33
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Changing the strikezone is: -something baseball has done before, multiple times, successfully -minimally invasive -has been shown to directly reduce strikeout rates thus addresses the problem head-on -does not limit strategic innovation or stifle creativity
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Jan 4, 2023 18:36
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zoux posted:I think the game is fine as it is. I think the solution to the shift problem is to "learn how to hit the other way" and the reason that they aren't is because cranking in your wheelhouse for power is going to deliver better results over time than intentionally slapping or bunting singles against the shift. YUP. It's ridiculous. Hell, there's even guys who hit opposite field with power throughout the history of the game, it isn't a novel concept!
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Jan 4, 2023 18:36
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Perhaps MLB should not have included me in their focus group
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Jan 4, 2023 18:37
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euphronius posted:Perhaps MLB should not have included me in their focus group Hits Georg was an outlier and should not have been surveyed
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Jan 4, 2023 18:39
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Hits Georg is Ichiro
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maffew buildings posted:YUP. It's ridiculous. Hell, there's even guys who hit opposite field with power throughout the history of the game, it isn't a novel concept!
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Jan 4, 2023 18:47
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Pungry posted:They did it just as recently as the early 2000s when the broadcasts started putting in strike zone overheads. Like, say what you will about how bad umpires are, but they've shown actual ability to adapt to technology to call games better. I personally think that doing something like instituting robot umpires goes way further against the spirit of the game than the shift but I'm aware I'm losing that battle. If MLB wanted to change the strike zone, umpires would adapt fine. I’m not a huge fan of the robo umpire idea, I do think having a human element is a net positive. But obviously a bad call can ruin an entire game, so it is difficult to argue against installing a system that will objectively get calls correct every time. But I’d be lying if I said I won’t miss scenes like Schwarber losing his mind on Angel Hernandez after a full game’s worth of terrible calls.
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Jan 4, 2023 18:47
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As infuriating as human umpires can be, I think I’m opposed to roboumps just because baseball needs that little element of chaos and variation human umps provide. That said, I also think the ump union should be dismantled so that particularly bad umps can finally be suspended or fired for really egregiously bad calls or ejections.
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Jan 4, 2023 18:52
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Workers deserve unions, even umpires. Just implement a mandatory retirement age of like 50 and give them all cushy pensions. Baseball can afford it. Turns out that there is a very strong correlation between poor ball/strike calls and age, almost as if human eyesight tends to deteriorate with age!
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Jan 4, 2023 18:54
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Ump unions are a type of cop union.
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Jan 4, 2023 18:55
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zoux posted:Ump unions are a type of cop union.
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Jan 4, 2023 18:57
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This date is 3 years before Joey Gallo was born
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Jan 4, 2023 19:01
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Kevlar v2.0 posted:This date is 3 years before Joey Gallo was born He must be a huge fan. https://twitter.com/Chandler_Rome/status/1610698269172158464 They're back baby. Eleventh year for Julia Morales!
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Jan 4, 2023 19:03
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Kevlar v2.0 posted:This date is 3 years before Joey Gallo was born No you're mistaken they were supposed to write Joey Callo.
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Jan 4, 2023 19:05
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I oppose robo umps because its a lie. There'd still be humans setting the parameters and reviewing calls and determining everything but now they'd be invisible and behind the scenes and we'd be fed a bullshit line of objective fairness that we could all plainly see isn't working unless it happens to benefit your team or hurt the team you hate. I don't care about "chaos" or "the human error." I just want accountability. Review performances, acknowledge blown calls, and assign games by the results not seniority.
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zoux posted:Ump unions are a type of cop union.
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