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Bremen posted:Eventually the Dems and the, not moderate, but "extreme but not batshit insane" Republicans will probably compromise on someone. But probably not for a long time, when it actually gets to the point where votes urgently need to happen or the nation burns down. So probably months. yeah McCarthy's real "strategy" is to put the choice between the HFC getting McCarthy and some concessions, or losing everything with a moderate compromise candidate
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Randalor posted:I'm hoping that at some point, the Dems just start holding pizza parties on the floor. Just a grand public display of unity while the Republicans keep bickering and fingerpointing over who's fault it is they can't govern. https://twitter.com/tedlieu/status/1610316616679530497
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Judgy Fucker posted:Anyone have a clue what that guy was shouting? The one with the Texas flag tie? Was it this? https://twitter.com/MEPFuller/status/1610695300225839105?s=20
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No, it wasn't that. But I did hear that one, too! I'm assuming it was a Texas rep, maybe it was North Carolina? based on the tie. A Black man, shouting fairly angrily, then a "Jefferies" vote was tallied. 
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Yeah, but that would be day-old popcorn now. Plus it's more comical to picture the dems filing in, going to the popcorn machine and then settling in for the vote than just going straight to their spots.
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Jan 4, 2023 19:05
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Oooooh, one Republican (not one of the 20 anti-McCarthy ones) has voted "present"!
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Seth Pecksniff posted:Kevin is never going to give this up and the HFC is never going to back down so again, I ask my friends on the other side: what in God's name is the endgame gonna be? At some point, the moderates will get sick of this and dump McCarthy in favor of someone else, and the Freedom Caucus will probably put a mark in their win column and fall in line. Youth Decay posted:So did McCarthy actually try to do anything to help himself between yesterday and today or were the cuckoo caucus the only ones with any sort of strategy to increase their vote numbers? There's not really much more he can do. He's basically been begging the Freedom Caucus to give him more demands he can fulfill. They don't really have any, because their true demand is "No Kevin McCarthy".
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Jan 4, 2023 19:14
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Torrannor posted:Oooooh, one Republican (not one of the 20 anti-McCarthy ones) has voted "present"! 
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Jan 4, 2023 19:15
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Judgy Fucker posted:No, it wasn't that. But I did hear that one, too! It was Rep. Al Green. I couldn't totally tell what he was saying but something about 71 (21?) unmarked graves and an atrocity? Edit: Found a source https://twitter.com/albyselkie/status/1610696802709159936?s=20&t=EJDWTdmWma2vRxFv12-DNA
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Main Paineframe posted:At some point, the moderates will get sick of this and dump McCarthy in favor of someone else, and the Freedom Caucus will probably put a mark in their win column and fall in line. a few sites mentioned it was more that they had too many demands, some of which were non-starters (like voting to establish term limits for congressmen, and a floor vote for a flat tax) and wouldn't clarify which ones were the core ones they absolutely wanted agreed to
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I’m loving this, it’s amazing. Political party that has set government on fire shocked to learn they are now on fire
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Jan 4, 2023 19:20
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repeating rollcall votes for tiny changes in the count feels like celebrating a new and different error messaging while debugging computer bullshit
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Jan 4, 2023 19:22
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the true, real, final master plan is to extend the Speaker fight past the debt ceiling deadline and let everything implode.
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313 is the record We can break the record We must
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Beechbone posted:It was Rep. Al Green. I couldn't totally tell what he was saying but something about 71 (21?) unmarked graves and an atrocity? Thanks for solving the case! 
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Jan 4, 2023 19:24
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A few folks have been saying that since the Senate doesn't need a Speaker until the 23rd, neither does the House. I'm pretty sure the Speaker needs to at least sign off on a bunch of administrative stuff like who gets what office and committee assignments. There are rules and procedures for this, but there are also judgement calls and deals. This is all much harder in the house, with more members and more freshmen.
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Obviously this is all uncharted territory, but to politics-as-a-spectator-sports this, this feels like a real nail in the coffin for McCarthy. He really had to not lose any support today to try and get another round of negotiating in overnight, but even the small losses sting, it's going to snowball, and he'll be negotiating from an even weaker position than before. One way or another, this is going to be the weakest Speaker of the House in a loooooong time.
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Bread Set Jettison posted:313 is the record 133, from Nathaniel "good hair" Banks in 1855
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StumblyWumbly posted:A few folks have been saying that since the Senate doesn't need a Speaker until the 23rd, neither does the House. Yes, normally all this work would be done over the lame duck period by the incoming speaker, but none of it has actually happened.
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There's one vote missing as well as the present-vote, right? The CSPAN-tally adds up to 434.
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https://thehill.com/homenews/3798485-centrist-republican-says-preliminary-talks-with-democrats-underway-on-speaker-deal/quote:Rep. Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) has begun talks with Democrats about a deal to support a “consensus candidate” for Speaker or hold out from voting to ensure he needs to reach a lower threshold to lead the chamber, according to Rep. Don Bacon (R-Neb.). Lol...
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toget posted:There's one vote missing as well as the present-vote, right? The CSPAN-tally adds up to 434. There's one vacancy in VA due to a death.
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Randalor posted:Yeah, but that would be day-old popcorn now. Plus it's more comical to picture the dems filing in, going to the popcorn machine and then settling in for the vote than just going straight to their spots. To be fair, there are no House rules at the moment preventing a popcorn machine on the floor
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StumblyWumbly posted:A few folks have been saying that since the Senate doesn't need a Speaker until the 23rd, neither does the House. None of the House staff get paid until there's a Speaker, which is also something to consider.
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Feels Villeneuve posted:https://thehill.com/homenews/3798485-centrist-republican-says-preliminary-talks-with-democrats-underway-on-speaker-deal/ "Please help me win! Sure, you can't trust anything I say, and I've been openly talking about obstructing the president and your party, and harassing the son of the president, but I need your help! Please stop voting for your own interests!" 
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Discendo Vox posted:Has anyone raised the possibility that McCarthy has a humiliation fetish of some kind? If he does, he should find a nice dom and work it out in private like a proper pervert.
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Torrannor posted:None of the House staff get paid until there's a Speaker, which is also something to consider. I'm assuming they'll get backpay, similar to federal employees if no budget is passed? Of course, I know those folks don't make much and may be living paycheck to paycheck in one of the most expensive cities in the country - but at least they won't be working for free. I hope.
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StumblyWumbly posted:A few folks have been saying that since the Senate doesn't need a Speaker until the 23rd, neither does the House. As I mentioned in the USCE thread the DC Delegate has her floor privileges (she still can't vote but should be able to be on committees, bring bills, argue on the floor etc) revoked whenever Republicans come into power because they are assholes and then is reinstated when the Dems return, so she's kinda stuck in limbo right now.
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toget posted:There's one vote missing as well as the present-vote, right? The CSPAN-tally adds up to 434. VA-4: Donald McEachin died but there's no speaker to accept the certificate of election for his successor
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It is going to be *glorious* to see somehow the GOP/Freedom Caucus to gently caress up the Present vote so badly it becomes easier and more palatable for six GOP Reps to vote for Hakeem just to get on with business.
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Torrannor posted:Oooooh, one Republican (not one of the 20 anti-McCarthy ones) has voted "present"! So it's 21 now? Doesn't that mean Gaetz is going to lose interest?
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Seth Pecksniff posted:VA-4: Donald McEachin died but there's no speaker to accept the certificate of election for his successor Well we haven't actually had the election yet either. It'll be Jennifer McLellan though.
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Ellipson posted:So it's 21 now? Doesn't that mean Gaetz is going to lose interest? nooo
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Hypothetically, if there were a foreign influence seeking to usurp the GOP and use that power to weaken the US federal govt (rather than actually enact conservative policies)... Isnt the present situation a win? Hypothetically.
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Some Democrats are having a lot of fun. At least I assume it's Democrats, I can't imagine Republicans have reasons to laugh this loudly on the House floor.
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Feels Villeneuve posted:yeah McCarthy's real "strategy" is to put the choice between the HFC getting McCarthy and some concessions, or losing everything with a moderate compromise candidate The problem is Mccarthy needs a credible compromise candidate to credibly threaten that. And a credible compromise candidate 1)doesn't exist 2) would defeat him if they did
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:The problem is Mccarthy needs a credible compromise candidate to credibly threaten that. And a credible compromise candidate 1)doesn't exist 2) would defeat him if they did Yeah, he'll get kicked overboard well before a bi-partisan candidate gets any momentum
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