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Bumhead posted:Trying to put together a complete list of old school PC FPS royalty, at least from what's available on Steam. Talking the 90's/early 2000's classics, not the new spiritual successors. So far I own; Quake 3, WW2 shooters (moh, cod), duke3d, hexen & heretic, dark forces, jedi knight & sequels, NOLF, halo, bf1942, far cry 1 come to mind Maybe descent as well? Although your list is a bit confusing, a lot of the mentioned valve products are definitely not from the early '00s.
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Bumhead posted:Trying to put together a complete list of old school PC FPS royalty, at least from what's available on Steam. Talking the 90's/early 2000's classics, not the new spiritual successors. So far I own; Kinsie maintains a decent curator list here: https://store.steampowered.com/curator/29294916-Sector-Effectors/
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Bumhead posted:Trying to put together a complete list of old school PC FPS royalty, at least from what's available on Steam. Talking the 90's/early 2000's classics, not the new spiritual successors. So far I own; It's a very different kind of FPS, but you should have System Shock 2 and maybe 1 on there, especially if Deus Ex made the cut. Edit: I cannot read. You do already.
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SCheeseman posted:In addition to Unreal Tournament, the OG Unreal is also excellent. Good luck finding either at this point
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Milo and POTUS posted:Good luck finding either at this point In other stuff-I-probably-shouldn't-link-to news, the retro FPS leaks continue. This time, it's the fabled Blood source code! Albeit, a backup of it from like seven months before release, so not really all that applicable to the pre-existing reverse-engineering projects (even ignoring any potential legal issues). Still, it's nice that it's out there.
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Samopsa posted:Quake 3, WW2 shooters (moh, cod), duke3d, hexen & heretic, dark forces, jedi knight & sequels, NOLF, halo, bf1942, far cry 1 come to mind You're right, I've been quite liberal with the time frame there, although I guess those Valve games are so heavily intertwined with the spirit and aesthetic of that era that I guess my brain just naturally lumps them together. Duke 3D, Hexen and Dark Forces are notable omissions for sure, think I'll grab all 3 of them. Twerk from Home posted:It's a very different kind of FPS, but you should have System Shock 2 and maybe 1 on there, especially if Deus Ex made the cut. System Shock 2 is a stonewall classic, although I've never played the first game. Toyed with picking it up but, eh, the remake is due soon. I actually have a thing for the visuals of that era so might yet pick up SS1 regardless of the remake.
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Milo and POTUS posted:Good luck finding either at this point The Kins posted:Legally? Yeah, good luck. Other ways? They were on GOG, so the installer EXEs are almost certainly floating around. Can't help you there, though. Well, you may find the GOG installers somewhere around here. Who knows 
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Jan 4, 2023 15:51
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I would be shocked if they aren't on archive already
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Jan 4, 2023 15:56
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https://twitter.com/IRLskellydude/status/1610640940321980419 something something Leaking Blood something
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Jan 4, 2023 15:57
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The Kins posted:...it does though? I think it's through SDL on Linux. Try it with the Steam Deck game pad that just emulates an xinput device. The flatpack version doesn’t detect the controls. You have to map it to keyboard buttons to get it to work. https://old.reddit.com/r/SteamDeck/comments/zqw3f2/gzdoom_controller_settings Tiny Timbs fucked around with this message at 16:05 on Jan 4, 2023 |
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LvK posted:https://twitter.com/IRLskellydude/status/1610640940321980419
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Oh man that’s huge
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Jan 4, 2023 16:07
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KEN SILVERMAN MAGIC
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Volte posted:This is awesome and goes to show just how much they had to modify the Build source code to make it workable. Unlike Duke3D which is like two massive, unmanageable files for the entire game, Blood is mostly written in (a mostly very C-like style of) C++ and the Build stuff has been untangled quite a lot. Can you tell me more about these two files? I remember the GRP file, but that's all. I mean, in terms of big ones. I edited the hell out of those CON files, but they seemed pretty small, like txt/cfg files, which I guess they were.
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Rupert Buttermilk posted:Can you tell me more about these two files? I remember the GRP file, but that's all. I mean, in terms of big ones. I edited the hell out of those CON files, but they seemed pretty small, like txt/cfg files, which I guess they were. I meant the source code which was like BUILD.C and GAME.C or something, both thousands of lines of insanely hard to read code.
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Jan 4, 2023 16:59
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NOLF on archive too? Seems to be in a legal limbo otherwise
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Milo and POTUS posted:NOLF on archive too? Seems to be in a legal limbo otherwise Awhile back somebody responded to the whole "it's unclear who owns NOLF" issue by releasing updated versions of NOLF and NOLF 2 for free download, apparently on the premise that we can find out who owns them by seeing who files a takedown request. As far as I'm aware, nobody has yet filed that request. (Which situation, given that DMCA requests in which you claim to own the IP in question when you actually don't are punishable as perjury, will probably persist for the foreseeable future.)
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Tiny Timbs posted:Try it with the Steam Deck game pad that just emulates an xinput device. The flatpack version doesn’t detect the controls. You have to map it to keyboard buttons to get it to work. gz's controller support has always been wonky. if i ever try to use something that isn't an xbox or emulated xbox controller this happens https://i.imgur.com/c8CzFr4.mp4
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Probably means you need to adjust the dead zone sliders?
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probably means there's other stuff mapped to a stick somewhere. happens
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Knee deep in the dead zone
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Tiny Timbs posted:Try it with the Steam Deck game pad that just emulates an xinput device. Pope Guilty posted:Awhile back somebody responded to the whole "it's unclear who owns NOLF" issue by releasing updated versions of NOLF and NOLF 2 for free download, apparently on the premise that we can find out who owns them by seeing who files a takedown request. As far as I'm aware, nobody has yet filed that request. I think it was Jason Scoot that said that archive.org "reminds" anyone who submits DMCA requests that they must actually own the IP, and in many cases ownership is murky and the claimant backs down. Is this one large WAD (or PK3) that combines a bunch of megawads into different episdoes, or do you have some kind of multi-wad custom config going here? I haven't seen this before.
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ExcessBLarg! posted:Are folks turning Steam Input off on the deck? I know you can, but that seems pretty unusual and generally pointless. Oh I don’t know. I just know the game pad controls don’t work with GZDoom on the Steam Deck through the Discover store. I’m going to try the other distro that got recommended. Edit: Hooray! The Luxtorpeda install of GZDoom sees the Steam Deck as a 360 controller and works out of the box. Tiny Timbs fucked around with this message at 20:07 on Jan 4, 2023 |
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site posted:gz's controller support has always been wonky. if i ever try to use something that isn't an xbox or emulated xbox controller this happens That's honestly extremely common in general right now with a even lot of commercial games - most of them just rely on steam for proper controller support outside the built in microsoft controllers, which means that for the most part, other controllers only work through the steam overlay. Disproportionation fucked around with this message at 20:10 on Jan 4, 2023 |
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Bumhead posted:Any tinkering required or does it work out of the box? Out of the box! There's a community control layout that'll map most everything you need, but as with any community layout you'll either need to take a bit to get used to it/remember buttons or configure some yourself. I did the training course for the first time so I could get used to it, and also discovered some flavor text I missed by never doing the training course before.
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Disproportionation posted:That's honestly extremely common in general right now with a even lot of commercial games - most of them just rely on steam for proper controller support outside the built in microsoft controllers. i've never had this problem in any other game, and this is only a problem with non xbox controllers e: actually i ditched the ds4 in favor of xbox for ergonomic reasons a year or so back so i may be talking out my rear end ExcessBLarg! posted:Is this one large WAD (or PK3) that combines a bunch of megawads into different episdoes, or do you have some kind of multi-wad custom config going here? I haven't seen this before. https://jp.itch.io/wadsmoosh site fucked around with this message at 20:03 on Jan 4, 2023 |
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LvK posted:https://twitter.com/IRLskellydude/status/1610640940321980419 Does this mean that now they can make a 1:1 source port of it? I love Fresh Supply to bits and that's enough but a "Chocolate" Blood would be cool too!
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I don’t think anyone reputable can do anything with leaked source code besides be inspired by what they see. Maybe it’ll explain some things they haven’t been able to figure out?
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Tiny Timbs posted:I don’t think anyone reputable can do anything with leaked source code besides be inspired by what they see. Maybe it’ll explain some things they haven’t been able to figure out? It includes the original code notes where the devs shat on Ken Silverman for making the Build Engine, that's all it really needs.
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...how do you beat the Carnival on blood without going to the secret level?
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I would say “you don’t, coward” but man, the secret map sucks. That said I always do it so I also don’t know the normal exit lol. Hope this helps.
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Guillermus posted:Does this mean that now they can make a 1:1 source port of it? I love Fresh Supply to bits and that's enough but a "Chocolate" Blood would be cool too! Milo and POTUS posted:...how do you beat the Carnival on blood without going to the secret level?
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i'm up to level 6 on cultic and it's a lot of fun but man i hate the needing to light up explosives first mechanic, and even though it has a weapon wheel on controller the game doesn't pause when you use it so i've ended up eating quite a bit of damage from it
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Fond memories of me mistakenly throwing an unlit bundle of dynamite, panicking, and having to shoot it to recover some semblance of the original thing I was trying to do.
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site posted:i'm up to level 6 on cultic and it's a lot of fun but man i hate the needing to light up explosives first mechanic, and even though it has a weapon wheel on controller the game doesn't pause when you use it so i've ended up eating quite a bit of damage from it Same with explosives. I ended using more the quick TNT throw and then shoot it to time the explosion unless I wanted to throw it around a corner. I had to rebind molotov to a mouse key too.
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Also I always forgot about (and consequently almost never ended up) combining the molotov and dynamite into a single firebomb. I appreciate the option but I don't think I found myself in too many situations where I had the time to assemble it but simultaneously needed that sort of destruction.
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Cream-of-Plenty posted:Fond memories of me mistakenly throwing an unlit bundle of dynamite, panicking, and having to shoot it to recover some semblance of the original thing I was trying to do. On the plus side this is way more badass than your original plan
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Quantum of Phallus posted:agreed, it has big HL2 energy. tbh I'd throw COD: Infinite Warfare in there also, it feels like a classic FPS campaign Very annoyed that this would crash before even making it to the menu for me. Steam refund in the pipe, but the game still shows in my list of games for now :/
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ilmucche posted:Very annoyed that this would crash before even making it to the menu for me. Steam refund in the pipe, but the game still shows in my list of games for now :/ that sucks. I had it on PS4 and it looked and played amazing. genuinely incredible how good it looks.
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Weirdly enough the refund seems to have worked and the charge never hit my account but the game is still in my library. Maybe I'll be able to play it years from now when I get a new computer
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