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One thing that has also only been very lightly touched on in this thread is how absolutely gruesome real CPR is, it's not like it looks on TV. They definitely haven't seen something like that when teammates have had knee injuries and the like.
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Jivesauce posted:One thing that has also only very lightly touched on in this thread is how absolutely gruesome real CPR is, it's not like it looks on TV. They definitely haven't seen something like that when teammates have had knee injuries and the like. Seriously, part of the training is that if the ribs aren’t cracking you’re doing it wrong.
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Jan 5, 2023 05:24
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I'm not sure if they used the AED while he was on the field but I think there's speculation that one video in particular from what felt like an end zone cam may have been showing reactions of players as they literally were watching their guy, who only minutes earlier was playing football and laughing and high fiving with them, potentially get zapped by panels, something they'd almost assuredly only ever seen on TV. I saw a guy get AED'd at the airport and to say it's unsettling would be a massive, massive understatement as someone who isn't in the medical profession.
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Jan 5, 2023 05:41
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Good point. CPR is a great, life saving practice that is super important... but it is also absolutely barbaric in many respects and recipients are left very injured afterward (but still alive).
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And use of an AED can cause a very violent looking reaction in the person's body when it delivers the shocks.
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Petey posted:I don't want to start a D&D/LF chat in here, but the way the players — based on the quote above, on both teams — are reacting really does feel qualitatively different from other serious life-threatening injuries, and I am curious as to why. I work in health care, I've watched people die, watched them run the code into futility and call it. Still gets me gucked up, even with years of seeing the brutal horrors of human frailty. I would not be surprised if this was a very significantly traumatic experience for not only the bills and Bengals, but the league at large. I certainly hope the NFL is offering counseling services to every player. All of the games this weekend are going to be difficult for players.
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Jan 5, 2023 05:51
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Anime Store Adventure posted:Ryan Clark had a great quote about this in the coverage after the game was called Monday, if I can find the exact clip I'll post it (he had a LOT of great words.) He said, paraphrasing, "I don't think I really knew I could die at 24." That really hit a nerve with me, and at least for me helped explain the reactions we saw. Sure these players know there's all kinds of terrible injuries, but they also have been getting the best medicine (more or less) in the world and there's just kind of this expectation of how it goes - this wasn't that. Suddenly the entire structure and staff that sort of protects them from this being life or death is moving at a speed where you know they're scared. You realize that these people aren't thinking "Let's get him to the thumbs up" but "Let's get a loving pulse." That's got to be terrifying. We teach these players who are barely adults to believe they're invincible and they just got it stripped away in seconds - and worse, it's your friend and teammate. You realize that holy gently caress this guy might not make it home, this guy might not make it off the field. Here's a clip. It's a little quiet. But the power comes through. https://twitter.com/MarcWYFFNews4/status/1610125896857387009?t=XAJNfWTVjk4MtaTLkyKz6g&s=19
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Lifespan posted:Interesting. I would have guessed they would want to get back out and "work out their emotions on the field and play for Damar", but I didn't watch a teammate almost die on said field so I can only imagine how they are feeling. Someone, I think it was Ryan Clark, said that it's tough for players because football is their "bubble." Where they go to get away from problems at home, or family issues, and in this case the issue is INSIDE the bubble, so there's nowhere for them to go to work things out.
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TheKevman posted:I'm not sure if they used the AED while he was on the field but I think there's speculation that one video in particular from what felt like an end zone cam may have been showing reactions of players as they literally were watching their guy, who only minutes earlier was playing football and laughing and high fiving with them, potentially get zapped by panels, something they'd almost assuredly only ever seen on TV. Working where there are lots of AEDs and a very real chance of needing to use one any given day will make you look at those things with a tremendous amount of respect and a burning hope that you never do have to use it.
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Mirotic posted:Here's a clip. It's a little quiet. But the power comes through. Thanks. Yeah, I hope someone makes a supercut of Ryan Clark with Scott Van Pelt from that coverage. There's a few clips that are probably the best segments floating around, but just about everything Ryan Clark said in that show was helped contextualize and calm so many emotions for me because of how well he spoke on the situation. I wouldn't have expected it, but I'm glad it hasn't gone unnoticed.
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Anime Store Adventure posted:Thanks. Yeah, I hope someone makes a supercut of Ryan Clark with Scott Van Pelt from that coverage. There's a few clips that are probably the best segments floating around, but just about everything Ryan Clark said in that show was helped contextualize and calm so many emotions for me because of how well he spoke on the situation. I wouldn't have expected it, but I'm glad it hasn't gone unnoticed. Clark and Booger were both great. This tweet is hilarious to me because it basically happened here. https://twitter.com/thornton_melon/status/1610104595065225221?s=46&t=nTKYHbSQ-xQJPbLbrjVg7w
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Asproigerosis posted:I work in health care, I've watched people die, watched them run the code into futility and call it. Still gets me gucked up, even with years of seeing the brutal horrors of human frailty. I would not be surprised if this was a very significantly traumatic experience for not only the bills and Bengals, but the league at large. I certainly hope the NFL is offering counseling services to every player. All of the games this weekend are going to be difficult for players. I can't remember if it was Clark of Booger or maybe Suzy but I feel like I remember someone saying this pretty soon after and they were spot on. Seriously though, that SVP and Clark broadcast is something I'll never forget.
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Chief McHeath posted:Working where there are lots of AEDs and a very real chance of needing to use one any given day will make you look at those things with a tremendous amount of respect and a burning hope that you never do have to use it. God, I can absolutely imagine.
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this is the part where it's speculated they were either intubating or doing AED on him. You don't see anything to be clear but yeah. e: also like give those EMTs, no matter what happens, some season tickets or some poo poo. That was uh really tough work under literal national pressure being stared at. https://twitter.com/jacksettleman/status/1610094128968212481 adaz fucked around with this message at 06:40 on Jan 5, 2023 |
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Jan 5, 2023 06:36
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This is for real. A Buffer Gay Dude posted:Clark and Booger were both great. This tweet is hilarious to me because it basically happened here. This is also for real.
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Lifespan posted:This is for real. I'm actually really thankful and glad that the players and staff walled up around him so there isn't more/detailed video of it.
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https://twitter.com/dragonflyjonez/status/1610721980231159808?s=46&t=sBk7vk-cze8DnYTtxW99XQ
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Worth noting that the bills specifically kept everett on the roster long enough for his pension to kick in for this reason
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sportsgenius86 posted:https://twitter.com/dragonflyjonez/status/1610721980231159808?s=46&t=sBk7vk-cze8DnYTtxW99XQ Great link. And well said. Hearing a former players rant on the whole situation, plus this, has me jaded as gently caress.
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sportsgenius86 posted:https://twitter.com/dragonflyjonez/status/1610721980231159808?s=46&t=sBk7vk-cze8DnYTtxW99XQ My man has some righteous fury going on. And more power to him. He's absolutely right to be this mad.
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sportsgenius86 posted:https://twitter.com/dragonflyjonez/status/1610721980231159808?s=46&t=sBk7vk-cze8DnYTtxW99XQ Well loving said!
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sportsgenius86 posted:https://twitter.com/dragonflyjonez/status/1610721980231159808?s=46&t=sBk7vk-cze8DnYTtxW99XQ go off king
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adaz posted:e: also like give those EMTs, no matter what happens, some season tickets or some poo poo. That was uh really tough work under literal national pressure being stared at. They will be at the next game. And the next. And the next. And, well you get the point.
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Petey posted:I don't want to start a D&D/LF chat in here, but the way the players — based on the quote above, on both teams — are reacting really does feel qualitatively different from other serious life-threatening injuries, and I am curious as to why. It's something I've been thinking a lot about as well, since earlier this year the Bills had another player that had to be ambulanced out and the game went on as usual. My best guess is that a part of it hinges on just how different the experience must've been. Generally, your teammate is hurt, but conscious and talking to the team doctor. Maybe it's a bad injury, but as a player, you have some idea of what it all means and you know that in 10-15 minutes, you'll probably get a "thumbs up" as they leave the field. You're able to interact with them as it's all going on. But with Hamlin, he's out. And not only is he out, but he's getting CPR and maybe intubated or getting hit with the AED. Just feels like it must be a fundamentally different experience.
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sportsgenius86 posted:https://twitter.com/dragonflyjonez/status/1610721980231159808?s=46&t=sBk7vk-cze8DnYTtxW99XQ  holy gently caress this is incredibly well said and while the optimist in me wants to think this moment will translate to more, the realist in me says the NFL will keep it business as usual. I'm acknowledging my own queasyness for the foreseeable future. I stopped watching the NFL for a year or so after Kevin Everett (which I saw live) and Ryan Shazier got me hosed up pretty good. I'll be skipping the games this weekend and think it's time for me, personally, to take another break. Yes, it's a violent sport, yes they know it, yes, they signed up for it but there have to be bare minimums in a $100B league where we don't just chew up and spit out these players. Obviously not gonna try to sway anyone else because everyone needs to do what they need to do but this one got me shook, bad. At a minimum, guarantee the contracts and healthcare of our players. Every other sport has it, and this is far and away the one that deserves it the most. I just feel so...dirty. And I hate it. TheKevman fucked around with this message at 09:29 on Jan 5, 2023 |
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Lifespan posted:A make up of the game is definitely not going to happen. At this point it is more a question of if it is a tie or if they act like the game never happened and go purely by win pct. They cannot award the teams a tie. No provision in the rules allow for it. It will be canceled or resumed, and canceled is most likely.
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I just F5'd the GFM and its up over 7 million 
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sportsgenius86 posted:https://twitter.com/dragonflyjonez/status/1610721980231159808?s=46&t=sBk7vk-cze8DnYTtxW99XQ All well said and if you need a companion piece the Boston Globe followed up with the 2001 New England Patriots and it echoes a lot of this. Link here! quote:Jermaine Wiggins, a tenement kid from East Boston who gained a glimmer of fame by helping the Patriots win their first Super Bowl and launch one of football’s greatest dynasties, went broke within two years of his last NFL game.
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E: nvm
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hobbesmaster posted:Seriously, part of the training is that if the ribs aren’t cracking you’re doing it wrong. We get how cool you are, dude
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Big Beef City posted:We get how cool you are, dude It’s also not true lol
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LeeMajors posted:It’s also not true lol eh... to be fair that's exactly what the dumbass medics in the army taught us. I'd defer to you, the professional, but I understand why people think that. Looks like Hamlin's father addressed the team and said he's making progress, but again, none of us know what that means.
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No Butt Stuff posted:eh... to be fair that's exactly what the dumbass medics in the army taught us. I'd defer to you, the professional, but I understand why people think that. It was also given knowledge in the navy that you were likely to injure ribs if you were giving hard enough chest compressions. There's a lot of tribal knowledge about this. In fact, I think I heard it in first aid courses before the navy, too.
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In thinking about Damar I was talking to a lions friend who reminded me of Reggie Brown's injury. I did remember he got hurt, but I actually forgot it was during Barry Sander's eclipsing of 2000 yards. Reggie Brown got CPR on the field and was taken off in an ambulance. And then they RESUMED PLAY! Barry broke the record and Reggie was a footnote  I think in this crappy world and this dumb sport we can say we've at least progressed that much. They just threw Reggie in an ambulance and played on. Berman's commentary almost treats it like a footnote then its back to Barry. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMHaUlwqMnc You can watch the highlights. Reggie's injury is shown and talked about between 2:00 - 2:25 mark of the video if you want to skip. Its not so graphic he goes for a tackle leading with the crown of his helmet and gets smushed. I 100% believe Barry didn't care about that record. They should have stopped playing.
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i heard the best way to give cpr is with a hammer
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Impossibly Perfect Sphere posted:i heard the best way to give cpr is with a hammer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUwWeMbOmIY
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https://twitter.com/kaiirelam5/status/1611019806651867137
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Awesome. Hope they don't show him the GoFundme for a while to avoid any more heart attacks
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I want to know how "awake" he is, but I am cautiously optimistic and very happy for him.
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Oh man that sounds like super good news.
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