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frumpykvetchbot
Feb 20, 2004

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Shaocaholica posted:

There are tools to convert from NTSC to something else but effort. I also read they have weak IR cut filters so you get IR contamination which makes certain tones more magenta and to fix it you just put an IR cut filter on the lens.

plausible but this doesn't fit my experience. I never had the magenta skintones manifest on the raw photos I did take with the D1.

I guess I should just buy a D1 to experiment with and see if I can create a color fixer LUT. They sell for sometimes a little as fifty bucks if you can find them. Usually with dead or missing batteries.

I love the poo poo out of my Z9. I've had it since February and I never want to not just shoot with it. I always have it with me. The Leica-mount TTartisan 50mm f/0.95 is a lot of fun.

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LiterallyATomato
Mar 17, 2009

Is the Nikon 24 - 70 (or, more likely with my budget, the Sigma version) good for portraiture? I'm upgrading to full frame and am thinking of buying a new lens to go with it. I already have 35 and 50 primes but my zoom lens is meant for crop bodies.

Wibla
Feb 16, 2011

Used 24-120 f4 + used 85mm f1.8 or f1.4 depending on the market is what I would go for instead of a 24-70 f2.8.

Mega Comrade
Apr 22, 2004

Listen buddy, we all got problems!
There are multiple 24-70 Nikon lenses on both Z and F mount. Which one do you mean.

LiterallyATomato
Mar 17, 2009

Mega Comrade posted:

There are multiple 24-70 Nikon lenses on both Z and F mount. Which one do you mean.

Sorry. The Nikkor 24-70mm f/2.8E AF-S ED VR.

For F mount.

LiterallyATomato fucked around with this message at 19:53 on Dec 22, 2022

Mega Comrade
Apr 22, 2004

Listen buddy, we all got problems!
If its for portraits why not get an 85mm prime?
To me a 24-70 is a convenience lens. Something to take when walking about and you don't know what you will shoot and don't have time to switch lenses. For portraits you have as much time as you wish to zoom with your feet.

If you want it for more than just portraits though then yes both the 24-70mm f/2.8E AF-S and the sigma art equivalent are very good for portraits. Also look into the Tamron 24-70mm f/2.8 G2.

Mega Comrade fucked around with this message at 18:47 on Dec 23, 2022

Wibla
Feb 16, 2011

Mega Comrade posted:

If its for portraits why not get an 85mm prime?
To me a 24-70 is a convenience lens. Something to take when walking about and you don't know what you will shoot and don't have time to switch lenses. For portraits you have as much time as you wish to zoom with your feet.

If you want it for more than just portraits though then yes both the 24-70mm f/2.8E AF-S and the sigma art equivalent are very good for portraits. Also look into the Tamron 24-70mm f/2.8 G2.

The 24-70 f/2.8E is by all accounts an amazing lens, but it's also huge, heavy and expensive. The Tamron is very good for half the price. I have one, I wouldn't hesitate to recommend it. I still prefer the 24-120 f/4 for day to day use, and for portraits it's not even a contest - 85mm f/1.4 or bust. That said, I ran around with a D300 and an 18-200VR for over 10 years, so 24-70 felt very limiting, and it was too heavy for my taste. The 24-120 is lighter and has longer reach, while being optically good enough.

Looking at mpb you can get the Tamron 24-70 G2 and an 85mm f1.8 for less than the 24-70 f/2.8E.

Or a 24-120 f/4 + 85mm f/1.4 for less than the 24-70 f/2.8E :downs:

LiterallyATomato
Mar 17, 2009

Thank you for the advice! I'll check out those other lenses.

Wibla
Feb 16, 2011

LiterallyATomato posted:

Thank you for the advice! I'll check out those other lenses.

What camera body did you buy?

LiterallyATomato
Mar 17, 2009

Wibla posted:

What camera body did you buy?

D850

therattle
Jul 24, 2007
Soiled Meat
I had a Nikon D80 for many years, which I loved, and Nikons prior to that, but about three years ago I decided to get rid of it (and lenses) as it was both obsolete and I wanted something more compact. I ended up with the Fujifilm X-E3. In many respects it is a great camera (and the lenses are terrific) but I still find the user interface utterly bewildering, with the result being that I don't actually enjoy using it that much or have as much control over what I am shooting as I could. I love the Nikon interface, which ha apparently been continued into the new mirrorless range. I am not a serious photographer but I know enough to know what I want and need. I have narrowed the bodies down to the Z50 and the Z FC - my decision will be made when I get a chance to handle them. For general and travel use the 16-50 seems like a no-brainer. However, my main other use is portraiture, and here I am stuck. My options, as I see it:

1) 50mm 1.8 z. Apparently a terrific lens, but will it be long enough?
2) 85mm 1.8z. Also great, but maybe too long? I used to have an 85mm 1.8 on the D80; on a full frame it was amazing (I loved that lens), but on the APS size it'll be equivalent to about 128mm, which I think might be too long. (I want something ideally between 85-105mm equivalent).

I considered the FTZ and something like a 58mm 1.4 but it's way too expensive and I am not sure what effect the FTZ will have on speed and quality.

Alternatively, I could go for the Z5, 24-70/4, and the 85mm 1.8, but that does end up being a lot more expensive (about £400 more than Z50 kit with 85mm), and bigger and heavier (lighter weight simply means I will use the camera more).

Any thoughts? Anything I haven't considered?

therattle
Jul 24, 2007
Soiled Meat

LiterallyATomato posted:

Thank you for the advice! I'll check out those other lenses.

The 85 1.8 is a gorgeous lens. It’s a portrait classic.

therattle fucked around with this message at 19:57 on Dec 28, 2022

Wibla
Feb 16, 2011

therattle posted:

Alternatively, I could go for the Z5, 24-70/4, and the 85mm 1.8, but that does end up being a lot more expensive (about £400 more than Z50 kit with 85mm), and bigger and heavier (lighter weight simply means I will use the camera more).

Any thoughts? Anything I haven't considered?

Z5, 24-50, 85mm maybe?

therattle
Jul 24, 2007
Soiled Meat

Wibla posted:

Z5, 24-50, 85mm maybe?

I think on a full frame that’s too short a focal range. I looked at the 24-70/4 but it is quite pricy, and looks really heavy. The 16-50 with equivalent FR is much better value, albeit a bit slower, and MUCH lighter.

Brrrmph
Feb 27, 2016

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therattle posted:

The 85 1.8 is a gorgeous lens. It’s a portrait classic.

This. And it’s a good price.

Wibla
Feb 16, 2011

therattle posted:

I think on a full frame that’s too short a focal range. I looked at the 24-70/4 but it is quite pricy, and looks really heavy. The 16-50 with equivalent FR is much better value, albeit a bit slower, and MUCH lighter.

The 16-50 and 24-50 are pretty similar in weight, but I see where you're coming from with 50mm being too short on FX. I went with the 24-120 f4 when I moved from DX to FX :v:

Re: the 85mm, if you're on DSLR and have no plans to move to mirrorless anytime soon, used 85mm f1.4 D's are often reasonably priced.

Clayton Bigsby
Apr 17, 2005

therattle posted:

I considered the FTZ and something like a 58mm 1.4 but it's way too expensive and I am not sure what effect the FTZ will have on speed and quality.

I have yet to find an F-mount lens that doesn't work at least as well on the Z bodies with the FTZ as on a native one. There should be zero impact on image quality since there are no optics in the adapter, and autofocus is great. I have the 58/1,4 as one of my few F mount lenses (since there's no real Z mount replacement for it) and love it but yes, it is kind of pricy. The 50/1,8 Z mount lens is a better overall option though it lacks the character of the 58. (Yes, I own both, and yes I might have a problem)

therattle
Jul 24, 2007
Soiled Meat

Clayton Bigsby posted:

I have yet to find an F-mount lens that doesn't work at least as well on the Z bodies with the FTZ as on a native one. There should be zero impact on image quality since there are no optics in the adapter, and autofocus is great. I have the 58/1,4 as one of my few F mount lenses (since there's no real Z mount replacement for it) and love it but yes, it is kind of pricy. The 50/1,8 Z mount lens is a better overall option though it lacks the character of the 58. (Yes, I own both, and yes I might have a problem)

That’s really interesting to hear. I am slightly concerned about the weight of the FTZ, but more than that there isn’t an obvious F lens that I’d want to use it with that solves my problem.

Thinking on it further the 85mm probably isn’t too long at 1.5x; I’ll probably go with that and the 16-50. I can always swap it for a 50 if it’s too long.

Clayton Bigsby
Apr 17, 2005

therattle posted:

That’s really interesting to hear. I am slightly concerned about the weight of the FTZ, but more than that there isn’t an obvious F lens that I’d want to use it with that solves my problem.

Thinking on it further the 85mm probably isn’t too long at 1.5x; I’ll probably go with that and the 16-50. I can always swap it for a 50 if it’s too long.

I think the additional length of the FTZ is more of an annoyance than the weight, even on a relatively light body like a Z6. But it mounts solidly and there's zero play with an F mount lens. Nikon really did a killer job with it; not a huge fan of the tripod mount but that went away with the FTZ II (I think mostly due to interfering with the grip on the Z9).

Wibla
Feb 16, 2011

There's also this Sony - Nikon Z adapter that lets you use Sony lenses, might be worth looking at for compact Sony system lenses, too.

big black turnout
Jan 13, 2009



Fallen Rib
After a decade of sporadically shooting film and now having three kids to document growing up, I picked up a D750 this year (don't need 4k video, wanted something I could share lenses with a film slr). I have an 85mm for portraiture, a 50mm for... 50mm things, and a 200-500mm telephoto. When I was taking pictures of the kids opening presents for Christmas this year, I found 50 to still be a bit long. Any suggestions for something a bit wider that isn't too distorted and is fast enough for indoors?

therattle
Jul 24, 2007
Soiled Meat

big black turnout posted:

After a decade of sporadically shooting film and now having three kids to document growing up, I picked up a D750 this year (don't need 4k video, wanted something I could share lenses with a film slr). I have an 85mm for portraiture, a 50mm for... 50mm things, and a 200-500mm telephoto. When I was taking pictures of the kids opening presents for Christmas this year, I found 50 to still be a bit long. Any suggestions for something a bit wider that isn't too distorted and is fast enough for indoors?

35 or 28 1.8?

Sagebrush
Feb 26, 2012

Can't go wrong with the classic 35/2.

therattle
Jul 24, 2007
Soiled Meat

Wibla posted:

There's also this Sony - Nikon Z adapter that lets you use Sony lenses, might be worth looking at for compact Sony system lenses, too.

That’s a great idea. I think there a Canon one too. Alas, nothing in the 60-75mm range apart from some macros at f2.8. I really want f2 or faster. (I love the DOF and shooting in natural light).

Brrrmph
Feb 27, 2016

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Sagebrush posted:

Can't go wrong with the classic 35/2.

I’ll second this if you want a solid 35 that won’t blow you away but is a great compact lens for the money. If you spend about twice as much (used for both) you could also get the Sigma 35 1.4 art which is a fantastic lens, though significantly heavier. The Sigma is the kind of lens that is so good for everyday use it may never leave your camera.

You could also potentially pickup a 28mm 2.8 AF-D for like $75-125 but it’s not quite as good as the one above and you lose some f stops.

Anyone else also shy away from the 28mm focal length since it’s close to the iPhone default? It’s a great focal length but everybody’s doing it.

Brrrmph fucked around with this message at 08:52 on Dec 29, 2022

Clayton Bigsby
Apr 17, 2005

Another vote for the Siggy 35. Great lens and I think well worth it if you really like 35mm and don’t mind the size.

therattle
Jul 24, 2007
Soiled Meat

Brrrmph posted:

I’ll second this if you want a solid 35 that won’t blow you away but is a great compact lens for the money. If you spend about twice as much (used for both) you could also get the Sigma 35 1.4 art which is a fantastic lens, though significantly heavier. The Sigma is the kind of lens that is so good for everyday use it may never leave your camera.

You could also potentially pickup a 28mm 2.8 AF-D for like $75-125 but it’s not quite as good as the one above and you lose some f stops.

Anyone else also shy away from the 28mm focal length since it’s close to the iPhone default? It’s a great focal length but everybody’s doing it.

This post made me reexamine my old prejudice against third-party lenses. So I did some searching for Z-mount third-party lenses and learned about this lens, which has just been announced and will be coming out for the Z mount later this year: Viltrox 75mm f1.2. Apparently really excellent. Some minor AF issues (which might be somewhat resolved by release) but optically outstanding, within the exact focal length range I was after, and cheaper and faster than the 85mm (and probably about the same price as the 50, but faster). In the interim I might pick up a used FTZ and used 50/1.8 G and then sell them on when the Viltrox comes out (or just keep them...).

Park Cameras have a 50% off the FTZII when buying certain Z cameras.... As soon as my son is back at school I'll have to pay them a visit. Any recommendations for other better places in London (ideally central, north, or east?)

therattle fucked around with this message at 19:14 on Dec 29, 2022

big black turnout
Jan 13, 2009



Fallen Rib
Thanks, y'all. It'll probably be a few months until I pick it up but I'll probably get that 35/2

DanTheFryingPan
Jan 28, 2006

therattle posted:

I think on a full frame that’s too short a focal range. I looked at the 24-70/4 but it is quite pricy, and looks really heavy. The 16-50 with equivalent FR is much better value, albeit a bit slower, and MUCH lighter.

The 24-70/4 Z has been bundled so much it's now under 400€ used, and that's great value. It's not exactly small, not too light, and having to extend the lens before you start shooting can be annoying.

therattle
Jul 24, 2007
Soiled Meat

DanTheFryingPan posted:

The 24-70/4 Z has been bundled so much it's now under 400€ used, and that's great value. It's not exactly small, not too light, and having to extend the lens before you start shooting can be annoying.

I went to a camera shop yesterday to try out bodies and lenses. I really liked the Z5 but it’s bigger and heavier than the Z50, and, crucially, the full-frame lenses are too. They had a used 24-70/4 that I tried on the body and I may as well go DSLR at that size and weight.

The CN handled like dogshit. I was hoping to like it (I like the way my Fuji xe3 feels) but it felt all wrong. I liked the Z50. They did not have the bundle with just the 16-50, but for an extra £120 they had the 16-50 and 50-250 bundle. It looks like I can sell the 50-250’for about £200, so I bought it. It feels like a cheaper, lower-spec camera than the Fuji - because it is - but the grip and positioning of the controls feels very good, and the interface feels like coming home. It’s so much more straightforward and intuitive.

I loved my N80s (I had two: one for colour and one for b&w). I loved my D80. I don’t think I’ll love the Z50 in the same way but I am happy with it.

Now just waiting for the Viltrox 75 1.2. The guy at the camera shop gave me the name of a specialist viltrox dealer who gets lenses quicker and cheaper than this chain does, which was nice of him. (He uses Viltrox and loves them).

toggle
Nov 7, 2005

Question for Z9 folks...

I have an Atomos Ninja V attached as an output monitor, but whenever I switch to 50/60p or 100/120p it doesn't display the screen. I'm using N-Log H265 10bit to record video. If I change it to H265 MOV at 8bit with the Flat profile it displays the screen. However, I can use 25p in N-Log and it works just fine.

I'm using an Atomos HDMI cable as well. What's the deal?

Brrrmph
Feb 27, 2016

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My 300mm F4 PF has developed some unfortunate loss of coating spots on the front element. Has anyone used Nikon service to replace the front element of a lens? I started the service form, but it doesn’t provide an estimate for the repair. I don’t want to send it in if it’s going to be $500 when excellent used copies of the lens go for under $1,000.

Still determining what the impact on picture quality is. Need this demon cracker Minnesota winter to end so I can get out and shoot more than snow and darkness.

Ihmemies
Oct 6, 2012

By the way Voigtländer introduced the 50mm f1 lens to Nikon Z too.. so that might be interesting for Z mount shooters. It has EXIF and I guess electronic aperture stop down too.


https://nikonrumors.com/2023/01/16/...r-nikon-z.aspx/

Ihmemies fucked around with this message at 21:08 on Jan 19, 2023

therattle
Jul 24, 2007
Soiled Meat
I didn’t realise that Viltrox made a 56 1.4 until today. I love the 85mm focal length on full frame, so this would give the perfect equivalent on APS. And it’ll be faster than my old 85/1.8. Apparently it’s an excellent lens; I could not believe how cheap it was! I’ve bought one.
Thanks thread, for opening my eyes to third-party lenses!

Philthy
Jan 28, 2003

Pillbug
People poo poo on those cheap lenses but I absolutely love my TTArtisan 25mm f2. I grabbed their 23mm f1.4 hoping for the same rendering but for more low light and I'm not sure where it stands yet. It hasn't made me raise my eyebrows when I've come home. I'll need to try it out at night alongside the f2 and compare.

therattle
Jul 24, 2007
Soiled Meat

Philthy posted:

People poo poo on those cheap lenses but I absolutely love my TTArtisan 25mm f2. I grabbed their 23mm f1.4 hoping for the same rendering but for more low light and I'm not sure where it stands yet. It hasn't made me raise my eyebrows when I've come home. I'll need to try it out at night alongside the f2 and compare.

I used to also but I read the reviews of the Viltrox lenses and they are absolutely unanimously strongly positive (leaving aside the amazing price).

VoodooXT
Feb 24, 2006
I want Tong Po! Give me Tong Po!

Philthy posted:

People poo poo on those cheap lenses but I absolutely love my TTArtisan 25mm f2. I grabbed their 23mm f1.4 hoping for the same rendering but for more low light and I'm not sure where it stands yet. It hasn't made me raise my eyebrows when I've come home. I'll need to try it out at night alongside the f2 and compare.

Yeah, nowadays, whenever someone asks me about M-mount lenses and if they should shell out the money for Leica glass, I always tell them it's no longer worth it to pay the Leica tax and just get a TTArtisan or 7Artisans lens because you'll get 99% of the performance of the Leica for way less money.

therattle
Jul 24, 2007
Soiled Meat
Viltrox 56/1.4 arrived today. Initial impressions are very positive. It feels great in the hand. These were at 1/100 and f1.8 on my Z50



Brrrmph
Feb 27, 2016

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Those are some impressive whiskers.

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therattle
Jul 24, 2007
Soiled Meat

Brrrmph posted:

Those are some impressive whiskers.

The sharpness on them is pretty drat good too!

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