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15 | 3.71% |
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115 | 28.47% |
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94 | 23.27% |
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14 | 3.47% |
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87 | 21.53% |
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maruhkati posted:The war ends in a perplexing time paradox whereby Ukraine, Russia, and all the Putin-backed breakaway provinces all claim victory simultaneously. could this be the real reason the Ukrainian Orthodox are changing calendar?
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Jan 5, 2023 20:24
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It'll be the Warp in the West all over again, Nerevarine
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Jan 5, 2023 20:29
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Unveiled, sure. Delivered? Not without approvals from Congress. Lmao
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Jan 5, 2023 20:32
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Isizzlehorn posted:Unveiled, sure. They can just sell crack again
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Jan 5, 2023 20:33
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Isizzlehorn posted:Unveiled, sure. I have a feeling they'll find a back channel or two through which they can make these tanks magically appear in Ukraine. e: or the House Dems will just cave and vote for McCarthy lmao Majorian has issued a correction as of 20:37 on Jan 5, 2023 |
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Jan 5, 2023 20:35
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The reason the Ukrainian night is so silent lately is largely due to the fact there is no power throughout the country
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Jan 5, 2023 21:04
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https://twitter.com/milcotto/status/1611083849169080321
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Jan 5, 2023 21:19
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Majorian posted:In Germany, yes. In the UK and France, not so much - especially in the UK, where both the government and the press have been as gungho about war with Russia as Poland and the Baltics. Your original claim was not about causing the war, it was about support for Ukraine, presumably after the war had begun. The political inertia in continental Europe (the UK is basically an extension of American policy) I believe was firmly in favour of a quick negotiated settlement. It's what happened last time. Scholz initially opposed banning Russia from SWIFT for instance. Europe largely had very little to do with creating this war, it's preconditions were created by the USA and elements within Ukraine.
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Jan 5, 2023 21:19
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Fat-Lip-Sum-41.mp3 posted:In the absence of constant meddling by the United States, the political inertia was in favor of turning on Nordstream 2 and getting cheap gas for German homes and industry.
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Jan 5, 2023 21:28
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the us stance on ukraine relationships surrounding the 2014 coup and afterwards is indistinguishable from "lets favor the nazis at every turn"
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Jan 5, 2023 21:31
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Majorian posted:I have a feeling they'll find a back channel or two through which they can make these tanks magically appear in Ukraine. Ollie North gets a call from Biden to preform one last mission for his country
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Jan 5, 2023 21:33
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"I'll bite your legs off!" - the limbless black knight from Monty Python and the Holy Grail.
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Jan 5, 2023 21:34
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Frank the Tankie
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Jan 5, 2023 21:41
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tankie pope scum
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Jan 5, 2023 21:44
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evilmiera posted:"Look, I know I was the guy that invaded you, but would you mind not fighting back for a few days? Its Christmas after all." I dunno, I think a pause in the killing would be nice. At least in the spirit of Christmas. I'd prefer to light up trees rather than people but ymmv 
Cpt_Obvious has issued a correction as of 22:32 on Jan 5, 2023 |
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Jan 5, 2023 22:07
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Isizzlehorn posted:Unveiled, sure. I would assume this would be a drawdown from the $45 billion approved for Ukraine in the December omnibus bill.
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Jan 5, 2023 22:10
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Russia should withdraw to the pre-war border in the name of peace and as a Christmas present to a brotherly Slavic nation.
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Jan 5, 2023 22:10
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Dr Kool-AIDS posted:Russia should withdraw to the pre-war border in the name of peace and as a Christmas present to a brotherly Slavic nation.
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Jan 5, 2023 22:17
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https://twitter.com/RT_com/status/1611022336714571776?s=20
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Jan 5, 2023 22:18
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Weka posted:Your original claim was not about causing the war, it was about support for Ukraine, presumably after the war had begun. The political inertia in continental Europe (the UK is basically an extension of American policy) I believe was firmly in favour of a quick negotiated settlement. It's what happened last time. Scholz initially opposed banning Russia from SWIFT for instance. Your position would seem to be undermined by the revelations late last year from the French and German governments about the Minsk agreement. Either Merkel and Hollande lied when they said that the agreement existed to give Ukraine time to build up its military with Western support, or they were telling the truth. It can't be both things at once. The political inertia among the average French and German voters may have been against supporting Ukraine, but there was more than enough buy-in among the political classes.
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Jan 5, 2023 22:19
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Even if they were telling the truth, it's unclear that they shared this information with the current crop of politicians. E: probably each successive generation gets bullied independently. Dr Kool-AIDS posted:Russia should withdraw to the pre-war border in the name of peace and as a Christmas present to a brotherly Slavic nation. I agree. The war in question? WWI.
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Jan 5, 2023 22:25
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saying that they wanted a stronger ukranian military is not by itself an endorsement of direct war with russia or annulling the minsk agreements nordstream 2 is the strongest example of the inertia for not wanting a war with russia. wanting war with russia while going through with the pipeline is an incongruence that simply cannot reasonably exist.
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Jan 5, 2023 22:26
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Weka posted:Even if they were telling the truth, it's unclear that they shared this information with the current crop of politicians.  comedyblissoption posted:saying that they wanted a stronger ukranian military is not by itself an endorsement of direct war with russia or annulling the minsk agreements Right, but as Weka pointed out, the original claim was about support for Ukraine, not for the war itself. It seems to me like the inertia was not on the side of NS-2, but rather on the side of European defense contractors.
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Jan 5, 2023 22:26
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GlassElephant posted:I would assume this would be a drawdown from the $45 billion approved for Ukraine in the December omnibus bill. That's just money, it's needs approval before it cam be spent on something like military hardware. There's committees for exactly that kind of thing. Committees appointed by the House Speaker. At the start of congress.
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Jan 5, 2023 22:27
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It's liberal politics, expecting people to share potentially embarrassing info across party lines is probably foolhardy.
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Jan 5, 2023 22:28
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Majorian posted:Right, but as Weka pointed out, the original claim was about support for Ukraine, not for the war itself. It seems to me like the inertia was not on the side of NS-2, but rather on the side of European defense contractors.
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Jan 5, 2023 22:29
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Majorian posted:
AFAICT the European MIC is just another industry, rather than a preeminent one like in the USA.
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Jan 5, 2023 22:30
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Weka posted:It's liberal politics, expecting people to share potentially embarrassing info across party lines is probably foolhardy. France and Germany have their own intelligence services and bureaucratic institutions. I think there were probably people who were held over from the previous government who knew about it. comedyblissoption posted:i dont think this is true. the tension on this issue was so high that the US et al felt the need to bomb ns2. You don't think European defense contractors were champing at the bit to sell tanks to Ukraine?
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Jan 5, 2023 22:31
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Majorian posted:You don't think European defense contractors were champing at the bit to sell tanks to Ukraine? again, this tension was so high that the pipeline needed to be bombed to settle the matter. if these other competing interests did not matter, there would be little need to bomb the pipeline.
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Jan 5, 2023 22:33
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Germany to increase defence spending in response to 'Putin's war' - Scholz (Feb 27)quote:Chancellor Olaf Scholz said on Sunday Germany would sharply increase its spending on defence to more than 2% of its economic output in one of a series of policy shifts prompted by Russia's invasion of Ukraine. It seems to me like the German political class felt like it would profit off of supporting Ukraine - and probably still does, if their continued support is any indication.
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Jan 5, 2023 22:38
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speng31b posted:dont worry, im sure this insane negotiating stance isnt "sincere" so it's totally normal that everyone at every level of ukrainian leadership continues to say it over and over, and not at all a sign that the death cultists have won
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Jan 5, 2023 22:38
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which timeline is this video from sure as hell doesn't seem like the one i exist in
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Jan 5, 2023 22:46
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pausing gas through the gas pipeline is very different from bombing the gas pipeline
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Jan 5, 2023 22:46
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Majorian posted:Germany to increase defence spending in response to 'Putin's war' - Scholz (Feb 27) Oh jeez, oh dear, someone should make sure they didn't check any news in the months since then. quote:https://twitter.com/POLITICOEurope/status/1599798146569326594
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Jan 5, 2023 22:47
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comedyblissoption posted:pausing gas through the gas pipeline is very different from bombing the gas pipeline Of course it is, but it doesn't seem like completing the pipeline was a higher priority for the German government than shoveling money into the furnace of their defense contractors, all of three days after Russia invaded. Lostconfused posted:Oh jeez, oh dear, someone should make sure they didn't check any news in the months since then. e: This piece just suggests that the new defense spending is going to be delayed, not that it's not going to happen. They're still planning on spending hundreds of millions of Euros to expand their MIC. Indeed, one of the big delays has to do with an old friend of ours: quote:Possible delays to the flagship procurement of 35 American F-35 fighter jets for Germany’s air force are causing further friction. Last week, Lambrecht’s ministry admitted in a confidential letter to lawmakers, which has been seen by POLITICO, that the purchase of the high-tech stealth jets — of which the first eight are supposed to be delivered in 2026 — risks being hampered by “delays and additional costs.” Majorian has issued a correction as of 22:55 on Jan 5, 2023 |
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Jan 5, 2023 22:47
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HallelujahLee posted:being pro war and generally starting wars is a good indicator you might win the peace prize U cant make peace without wars tho
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Jan 5, 2023 22:48
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Jan 5, 2023 22:52
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Majorian posted:Of course it is, but it doesn't seem like completing the pipeline was a higher priority for the German government than shoveling money into the furnace of their defense contractors, all of three days after Russia invaded. Nordstream 2 was completed. Seems like this is actually taking away money from the German MIC if they aren't increasing spending and are going to buy F-35s.
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Jan 5, 2023 22:52
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Weka posted:Nordstream 2 was completed. But they are increasing spending, it's just not likely to reach 2% by the end of this year.
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Jan 5, 2023 22:56
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keeping the gas paused indefinitely for the european war industry to continue escalating the war was not a foregone conclusion with foregone inertia. a quick peace settlement was possible and on the table. a settlement could result in gas resuming immediately at any time. the concern that other parts of the business class might get second thoughts and sue for a quicker diplomatic resolution to the war was so great that the decision needed to be made for them permanently.
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