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Helical Nightmares posted:I know Dungeon 23 is a new thing going around the blogs and discussions of the roleplaying community. Evidently Sean McCoy on Twitter kicked off the idea with this: https://twitter.com/seanmccoy/status/1599809865836363782?s=20&t=EGHhFmqQQegi2ch7hvN96w While I have answered the question "are megadungeons ever good" question pretty definitively for myself, I am still doing this. I'll probably chop it up into different dungeons.
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Arivia posted:Do you have some examples of cool poo poo happening in RPGs right now that's not being talked about? Or changes the industry is undergoing/things that are happening that should be talked about? and the latter's physical copy should be shipping soon so that's pretty great, particularly since like I said before The Vast In The Dark is one of the best setting/toolkit books I've seen in a long time, and The Monster Overhaul is really good too, lots of nuggets of inspiration and more than a fair bit of humor too Helical Nightmares posted:I'm going to echo Megazver here and suggest the same two solo focused wargames. Personally I was looking for an opportunity to have emergent stories arise from my wargame play (and I wanted a Scifi setting with lasers), so Five Parsecs From Home 3rd edition was a perfect fit. Also the author is a goon and he posts here, albeit rarely. Dungeon 23 is definitely a neat thing, reminds me of the Gygax 75 Challenge* from last year which would be fun to see what people here could come up with *https://rayotus.itch.io/gygax75
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drrockso20 posted:The Monster Overhaul oh wow I looked up the kickstarter for this and it sounds really good
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It's odd, I remember a lot of folks hating on Paranoia XP when it came out. It was certainly a huge improvement over the flubbed cartoon that was 5th Edition, but it still felt really flat (compared to 2nd Edition particularly, which was just brilliant). If the newer editions can get that spark back, good on 'em.
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gradenko_2000 posted:oh wow I looked up the kickstarter for this and it sounds really good It really is
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Drakyn posted:More symbolically, I'm guessing it comes through strongest in that 'anchoring' the Lord of a Hollow (basically catching their soul in a spooky jar and freeing them from being trapped in their worst form) is both more difficult AND more rewarding than simply murdering them to death and thereby defies what the rest of the game is pushing where murder-or-be-murdered is the whole of the law and the only way forwards. Simultaneously, although the game makes it extremely clear that Hunters are doomed to eventually turn into a Hollow themselves no matter what, it also points out that successfully anchoring a Hunter AFTER they do this is the only way for a Hunter to permanently escape being a walking nightmare-murderer-come-nightmare. Not sure why you feel you've missed something - I'm fairly sure that reading is correct.
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Helical Nightmares posted:I'm going to echo Megazver here and suggest the same two solo focused wargames. Personally I was looking for an opportunity to have emergent stories arise from my wargame play (and I wanted a Scifi setting with lasers), so Five Parsecs From Home 3rd edition was a perfect fit. Also the author is a goon and he posts here, albeit rarely. Megazver posted:You could try a bit of solo wargaming like Five Parsecs From Home or Rangers of Shadow Deep. Thank you for the suggestions, though it doesn't quite get to what I want which is to have beerhammer with the bros. Currently Apex is getting the closest but its really not very close at all. May still check it out if/when I get desperate.
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There's a thread for Dungeon 23 - https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=4020948
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ZearothK posted:Gunbat Banwa came out! I guess, it looks interesting, another game building on DnD 4E and FFTs foundations, with a lot of flavour for its fantasy South East Asia settng, still have to actually play it. Any takes from the thread? My hot take is that Gubat Banwa looks rad as hell and reminds me of ICON, though that may mostly be the art
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hyphz posted:It did damage the game for him a lot, though. The Killer has a disadvantage called Heroic Bloodshed: "in the climactic fight of an adventure, any attack that deals you more than 4 Wound points deals an additional 3 Wound points." After this got him heavily into Impairment (he may have even taken a Mark of Death) in the first adventure, he naturally started to want to work around this disadvantage.
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Hyphz's Killer, digging: And the second one is, what, some kind of defensive trench?
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Helical Nightmares posted:Thank you for mentioning that! I totally forgot until I saw this post then coincidentally got the update from itch in my email that 1.03 is out. I need to find the time to look into this RPG. Also I'd love to hear more about this game than some of the topics discussed in the chat thread in 2022. Not detailed enough for a F&F, but here's my take after spending the last few days on and off with the book. -It uses its own names for everything, from player characters (Kadungganan) to turns (Fulmigations) to dice (Crocodile's Teeth) and so on and so forth. It is a clear and deliberate intent at immersion in the setting. It took me a bit to roll with it, but it grew on me and flows nicely, but I can see it being a barrier of entry. -There's a lot of flavour, holy poo poo, so much. The worldbuilding is phenomenal and the setting feels very fresh, drawing on different tropes, myths and and history than Western RPGs, the book is successful in making me want to learn more about its world. It does use the tried and true method of "this is where lore is, this is where mechanics are", though, so it doesn't really obfuscate the actual game part. -The setting is fantasy South East Asia during a period of constant warfare, as the core polities in the setting believe the world is ending and the victor of their conflict will get to make the new one. The five core factions are based on historical realms that existed in the region, these are Gatusan (Hindu-Buddhists), Apumbukid (Indigenous people), Akai (Islamic Sultanates), Virbanwa (Western Colonial states) and Ba-e (Sinicized kingdoms).      -Early game PCs will be doing general exploration, working for or against Warlords, solving mysteries and all that. High level play involves going into mythical realms and exchanging violence with the spiritual manifestation of Imperialism and all that. -The art and layout is mostly great and evocative, with only a few pieces that feel dissonant. Very pretty book, good production standards for what's a very niche product. -The narrative layer (War Drama) is very simple and narrativist, you have a dicepool based on the approach (flavoured by the Elements) you are using rolling d10's against d8's for the difficulty, successes are 6+ and 10's are doubles. You can get bonuses from equipment, convictions, etc and a re-roll metacurrency for putting the minimal effort in the description of your actions. It has partial successes and even allows for success without rolling any successes (you get what you want but eat a big consequence for it, essentially fail forward). It has clocks (called Moons), downtime actions, Raids as an adventure structure, etc; all in all it is functional contemporary design, if a bit unexciting. -What is exciting in the War Drama layer is the social system with your Honour standing, Debts and Complications, as this is (outside the big not-Spanish colonial city where capitalism rules) a society driven by personal reputation and barter. -Character creation for War Drama is mechanically simple, but the random tables for complications and backgrounds are very good, you can also pick from them. I rolled a bunch and I loved every single one of the melodramatic tragic badasses that popped out. -The combat layer seems very promising and seems to be fast based on the damage, HP numbers and suggested map size (10x10 to 16x16). Do need to test it in practice and might try out a solo mode encounter later in the week and an one-shot later in January, but initial impression is that this one has potential to stand alongside Strike! and Lancer. -It is clearly DnD 4E and FFT derived, with lots of emphasis on positioning and manipulating it and is very much gamist design. There are also elemental interactions between attacks, terrain and (optionally) the weather. -Disciplines (the classes/jobs) come with three Violences (Attacks), a number of traits and two Techniques, but after level 1 you can learn techniques from any discipline (or learn more techniques from yours), so there's a lot of space for building unique characters for combat. You can also switch your Discipline through Downtime, which changes up your traits and Violences, but retains all learned techniques. The art for them is great! -The Disciplines are super very distinct in function, complexity and flavour and there's 25 of them, classified as Raiders (Strikers), Sharpshooters (Artillery), Witches (Controllers), Mediums (Support) and Sentinels (Defenders). They go from relatively straightforward "I am a super mobile short ranged combatant" and "I am a martial arts elementalist with a lot of options" and "I am going to have the crap beaten out of me and then turn that into murder like a Shonen protagonist" to more arcane stuff like "I am going to spend the entire combat loving up this map and foraging for materiel to empower my abilities" or "I am a footballer and I am going to be kicking and shoving my ball into people until it gains enough momentum to cross the entire battlefield and kill everything in its path". -You have three action points (beats), all the basic actions cost 1, but the Techniques can use from 1 to 3 beats to trigger different versions. Really like that. -NPC profiles are very good! Clear with all the info laid out neatly. The "Gambits" part is for Solo Play, or just for a GM who wants to let dice do the thinking for them or to choose from.  -GM advice and worldbuilding are top notch. Lots of tables to roll random stuff on as needed (this is a game that supports Solo or GMless Play). As I said earlier, I should be testing it out in actual play soonish and holy poo poo, did this post get big. tl;dr: Gunbat Banwa seems like a promising DnD 4e inspired game with pretty fresh South East Asian inspired setting. Lots of terminology to get through.
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Hostile V posted:[vibrates a completely normal amount] Reign 2e is finally out and my next campaign I run is lined up to be that so like I dunno it's like cool I guess. E: n/m only the pdfs are out yet. Still excited. Splicer fucked around with this message at 13:42 on Jan 5, 2023 |
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Lemon-Lime posted:Not sure why you feel you've missed something - I'm fairly sure that reading is correct. I'm tired, habitually, unobservant, and rambly :p Though the second fits right in with not noticing I got something's point correctly.
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Arivia posted:Sure, but I don't think it's unreasonable/deserving of smarm to ask someone who wants to bring up a discussion topic to provide the relevant link. Fair cop. I was posting from my phone and shooting from the hip. I think everything in my wishlist has already been linked except Torchship and Zine Month, and Zine Month seems to be reliant on Tumblr/Twitter/Mastodon.
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Drakyn posted:I've read through this - not particularly carefully, but completely - and I'm curious if someone who knows anything about this sort of stuff could elaborate on this point because I'm sure I'm missing a lot of it. Of the bits I think I noticed, most obviously and unmissably there's the Weapon descriptions, which are full-bore disturbing. I think that's most of it, though one note: I don't think PCs are inherently evil or likely to be. At worst you've made a terrible mistake. Your trauma is "betrayed someone", not "murdered repeatedly over the course of your life". And your trauma may just as much be "betrayed by someone". But yes, otherwise, the conceit is: Something bad happened in your life. The magic of the world has taken root in you and you will turn into a Hollow. This is inevitable. Before then, use your powers to cleanse hollows of their foul magic. Escaping the cycle is harder.
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Splicer posted:Hyphz's Killer, digging: And the second one is, what, some kind of defensive trench? I appreciated this joke very much. Highlight of the morning.
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hyphz posted:I mean, he took a Mark of Death for it. That's not a "campaign loss" or "success at a cost" thing. His natural interpretation was, "I failed. How can I succeed?"
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Splicer posted:Ah, see, here's the issue. This is a class feature. You take the Killer with the understanding that you will end an adventure probably dying horribly in the climactic gunfight. If you don't want to do that you don't pick that class. The problem isn't that there's no such thing as cover, the problem is that the player thought this was something to be circumvented. Well, I could understand that, but nothing says it in the archetype description, and I don't think any of the other archetypes have anything like that. It, um, might be better to warn the player that the PC can't participate in a longer campaign (not that FS is generally all that great for campaigns, but still..)
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hyphz posted:Well, I could understand that, but nothing says it in the archetype description, and I don't think any of the other archetypes have anything like that. It, um, might be better to warn the player that the PC can't participate in a longer campaign (not that FS is generally all that great for campaigns, but still..) The game generally assumes you are familiar with the genre it's emulating or are going to make some effort to gain that familiarity. It spends some time explaining its design intent and how it relates to that genre for a lot of mechanics elsewhere in the book, and has a dedicated appendix N section. The designers expected the target audience would be able to infer their design intent from the mechanical effects and their knowledge of the genre. Could they have added two sentences to the archetype description that mentioned this? Sure! But most people don't seem to have had a problem drawing the right conclusions from the combination of "you used to be an assassin, and now you care, and are trying to redeem yourself" plus "in the climactic fight, you take more damage." Lemon-Lime fucked around with this message at 18:22 on Jan 5, 2023 |
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Lemon-Lime posted:Could they have added two sentences to the archetype description that mentioned this? Sure! But most people don't seem to have had a problem drawing the right conclusions from the combination of "you used to be an assassin, and now you care, and are trying to redeem yourself" plus "in the climactic fight, you take more damage." That's fair. I guess the issue was that it talks about redeeming yourself via the Chi War, and achieving anything in the Chi War will take a lot more than one adventure, if it's even possible at all (because it comes from the era of OWoD metaplots where the players are "involved" but can't really change anything that matters)
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hyphz posted:That's fair. I guess the issue was that it talks about redeeming yourself via the Chi War, and achieving anything in the Chi War will take a lot more than one adventure, if it's even possible at all (because it comes from the era of OWoD metaplots where the players are "involved" but can't really change anything that matters)
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This is all starting to remind me of Eric Wujcik's essay about diceless gaming. He played a first level thief in some old version of D&D, and quickly realized that if he rolled for a thieving ability, he'd probably fail. Instead of stopping to say, "Hey, RAW seems to doom me to play an incompetent thief, I don't like this game," he decided to stop engaging with the system. He then decided that any system with dice must be a fail state and wrote Amber DRPG, which replaced dice-related fail states with social fail states. My experience was the the social fail states happened less often but were orders of magnitude harder to get over. Anyway. I sympathize with the Killer's player realizing his archetype didn't do what he wanted and wanting to play a better game. Too bad he couldn't skip the temper tantrum over it.
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Zorak of Michigan posted:Anyway. I sympathize with the Killer's player realizing his archetype didn't do what he wanted and wanting to play a better game. Too bad he couldn't skip the temper tantrum over it.
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Splicer posted:If the player had wanted to switch class or retire the character or some other reasonable response to finding out that they didn't actually like the class features then it wouldn't be a hyphzgroup story. I think the anger was more about the frustration that the system gave him no way to meaningfully act to avoid hails of bullets aimed at him. Again, I think it was a lot more to do with FS2 being a spit-polish of a 20 year old system. Remember that FS1's revolutionary GM advice was "if a player wants to do something cool that doesn't make any mechanical difference, let them do it and don't penalize them." In the world of grognards and adversarial GMing that was empowering. But in the 20-years-on world of podcasts, cooperative storytelling, and tactical systems integrated with improved board game design, it wasn't that any more; after all, since if your local D&D 5e players did a cool thing and their GM was any good, they wouldn't just get no penalty, but they'd also get Inspiration.
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Zorak of Michigan posted:This is all starting to remind me of Eric Wujcik's essay about diceless gaming. He played a first level thief in some old version of D&D, and quickly realized that if he rolled for a thieving ability, he'd probably fail. Instead of stopping to say, "Hey, RAW seems to doom me to play an incompetent thief, I don't like this game," he decided to stop engaging with the system. He then decided that any system with dice must be a fail state and wrote Amber DRPG, which replaced dice-related fail states with social fail states. My experience was the the social fail states happened less often but were orders of magnitude harder to get over. Anyway. I sympathize with the Killer's player realizing his archetype didn't do what he wanted and wanting to play a better game. Too bad he couldn't skip the temper tantrum over it. When I first heard the term, this is what I thought "metagaming" was. Recognizing that a system sucks, and just using enough keywords and social manipulation to talk your way past the DM instead. Like instead of rolling Climb Walls you just waste everyone's time "inventing" a pulley-based elevator system or some poo poo so why would you need to make a climbing roll? Personally I hate it because it suggests that learning how to play a game is actually ignoring that the game is bad and instead learning how to avoid interacting with it.
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theironjef posted:When I first heard the term, this is what I thought "metagaming" was. Recognizing that a system sucks, and just using enough keywords and social manipulation to talk your way past the DM instead. Like instead of rolling Climb Walls you just waste everyone's time "inventing" a pulley-based elevator system or some poo poo so why would you need to make a climbing roll? And also ignoring any role-playing information built into the system. Yeah, having a thief who sucks at stealing is a huge flaw in a game, no argument there. On the other hand, if you're playing an actual good game, and the RAW says your character sucks at something, the right answer is not to avoid engaging with the system and find ways to do it well anyway. That is actually very bad role playing. The right answer is to embrace the suck.
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hyphz posted:I think the anger was more about the frustration that the system gave him no way to meaningfully act to avoid hails of bullets aimed at him.  
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So many "this game is bad" "this mechanic is bad" etc. discussions really boil down to a difference in expectations between players/GMs and the game. If the GM sold the idea of roleplaying games to someone as getting to be a cool badass rogue, but 1st level rogues in this system only succeed at rogue things 24% of the time, the GM needed to either explain that as a first level character, being a rogue was still just aspirational for you and not a thing you already really are; or, start the game at a high enough level that the rogue would actually be good at poo poo; or play a different system, one where the PCs are actually heroic from day 1. Something. It's also important for players to understand that they're not letting the party down by failing a lot, if the game's system is set up for them to fail a lot. Hyphz' story is similar. The player had different expectations somehow than what the game was offering for this character class (or what the table understood the game to be offering, if they didn't understand the rules) and that moment of realization was distressing. That doesn't really excuse childish behavior and storming out. It's also not necessarily the fault of the system, although it can be a failure of expectation-setting in the descriptive parts of the game, possibly.
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For one attack. Which is doubly bad if the GM has added extra opponents because there’s a Killer in the game. Also, you’re left imagining someone diving behind a barrier, popping up again, diving again, popping up again.. “Why don’t you just keep your head down?” “I’ve got to mug the camera.”
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hyphz posted:For one attack. Which is doubly bad if the GM has added extra opponents because there’s a Killer in the game. You said "any way to meaningfully avoid hails of bullets", Lemon-Lime just gave you one way to meaningfully avoid hails of bullets, and your response is to appeal to both the cost of that way and create another (this time narrative/flavor) objection. I think you should acknowledge that there is at least one way for a character, including a Killer, to meaningfully avoid hails of bullets. If you or that player doesn't like that option, that's different from there being no such option.
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hyphz posted:For one attack. Which is doubly bad if the GM has added extra opponents because there’s a Killer in the game.
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hyphz posted:For one attack. Which is doubly bad if the GM has added extra opponents because there’s a Killer in the game. You mean firing from behind cover? Have you ever seen an action movie.
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sebmojo posted:You mean firing from behind cover? No, that would make sense. But Dodge lasts for “the single attack you are interrupting”. So if 4 people fire at you, you can Dodge behind a barrier for the first one, but then inexplicably are not behind the barrier anymore for the next three, even though you didn’t get to fire back.
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hyphz posted:For one attack. Which is doubly bad if the GM has added extra opponents because there’s a Killer in the game. Holy poo poo lol
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hyphz posted:No, that would make sense. But Dodge lasts for “the single attack you are interrupting”. So if 4 people fire at you, you can Dodge behind a barrier for the first one, but then inexplicably are not behind the barrier anymore for the next three, even though you didn’t get to fire back. Dodging costs you Shots - you can use the same cover but they’re firing at you so much they’re preventing you from being able to do anything (you keep going lower in the Sequence).
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I mean isn't mugging to the camera exactly what you should be trying to do in a Feng Shui game? Like if the complaint is "This hitman isn't realistic enough" then shouldn't the class really be a drunk idiot in a trailer park who accepts 3,000 dollars to kill his bar buddy's wife even though he has no training or experience? That's basically what a real hitman is, some dude that will get caught immediately because he agreed to the hit in a facebook message and only because his meth supply was running low.
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theironjef posted:I mean isn't mugging to the camera exactly what you should be trying to do in a Feng Shui game? Like if the complaint is "This hitman isn't realistic enough" then shouldn't the class really be a drunk idiot in a trailer park who accepts 3,000 dollars to kill his bar buddy's wife even though he has no training or experience? That's basically what a real hitman is, some dude that will get caught immediately because he agreed to the hit in a facebook message and only because his meth supply was running low.
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