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Bar Ran Dun posted:that they need to buy what are essentially cruise missiles is a strong indication of their lack of a current ability to produce them for themselves. The problem is assuming because they are buy some missiles that they aren't generating their own at the same time. It is true they probably can't bombard continuously with only their own chain, but there isn't much evidence they are only using Iranian missiles. If anything the West has been continually surprised the Russians keep on building their own missiles at the same time.
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No russia can't replace those planes that they make for export.
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how many have ever been built? how many of the existing order intended for Egypt were diverted to Iran? 151 and 24. for comparison almost 900 f35s have been made.
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yes, a loitering missile with wings is less complex than a modern fighter aircraft and the russian economy is smaller than the american one.
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Tankbuster posted:yes, a loitering missile with wings is less complex than a modern fighter aircraft and the russian economy is smaller than the american one. Also, the US and its allies seem to be going all inning one fighter.
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Russia has lost two squadrons so about 24 su-35 in the war. if they transfer 24 to Iran that’s like nearly half gone between lost and traded away of all that they had (110)
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Wheeee posted:how many mission ready f-35s are there the mission is racking up hanger hours to bill for
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Frosted Flake posted:I would guess that “Cruise Missile” is so synonymous with American power projection in the media and public imagination that begrudging that Iran has the capability is a bridge too far. I don't think so, Iran has more typical cruise missiles and they are reported on as such. For example: https://www.rferl.org/a/iran-missiles-russia-air-campaign-ukraine/32095930.html https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/irans-hardline-rulers-see-missile-systems-vital-deterrent-2022-07-12/ The distinction behind a cruise missile and a suicide drone is a real practical one, but much like many other distinctions, it has no firm line. Ardennes posted:How is any of that about “Russian weakness” rather they are simply capitalizing on an opportunity? I guess you could say they should have made their own drones but I think that was more doctrinal blindness than anything. TBF Iran is a global leader in military drones. Bar Ran Dun posted:essentially cruise missiles One big difference is the cost.
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Russia continuously produces aircraft for their own use and export, including supporting Chinese aviation through producing engines and components, assisting China produce aircraft and assemblies under licence. What's the argument here?
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Frosted Flake posted:Russia continuously produces aircraft for their own use and export, including supporting Chinese aviation through producing engines and components, assisting China produce aircraft and assemblies under licence. What's the argument here? it’s a huge percentage of the total production since production started. I’ve seen it vary between 24 to 60 su-35 for the drones in articles. they’ve been making them for 14 years and made 151 in that time period. are they giving these to the Iranians out of existing stocks or are the Iranians accepting future production that lol they won’t likely get started on for a decade (also lol)
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Bar Ran Dun posted:it’s a huge percentage of the total production since production started. I’ve seen it vary between 24 to 60 su-35 for the drones in articles. they’ve been making them for 14 years and made 151 in that time period. They're Egypt's orders that got cancelled before delivery. quote:Combat aircraft originally produced for Egypt under a deal that was torpedoed by the United States
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America's allies must be so grateful their procurement can be sunk at a moment's notice.
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Bar Ran Dun posted:it’s a huge percentage of the total production since production started. I’ve seen it vary between 24 to 60 su-35 for the drones in articles. they’ve been making them for 14 years and made 151 in that time period. Sukhoi only produces the Su-35 when it has orders for it. Sukhoi began production for Egypt in May of 2020 and the first five Su-35s rolled off the line about a month in a half or two months later. Although as Danann points out Iran is probably getting the planes from Egypt's cancelled order.
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Bar Ran Dun posted:the Russians buying these cruise missiles is an indication the internal supply chains they have for building their own aren’t generating, aren’t working. or you want twice as many missiles which seems prudent politically
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OhFunny posted:Sukhoi only produces the Su-35 when it has orders for it. yeah I knew about Egypt, I thought I had mentioned it in a previous post. anyway RAND seems to think they aren’t making poo poo for about a decade. then again it’s RAND so ehh.
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OhFunny posted:Although as Danann points out Iran is probably getting the planes from Egypt's cancelled order. That's what I've seen reported.
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yea, it works completely as intended as long as it never has to fly
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Weka posted:Looking around, 1700 Shaheeds is the number that Russia has supposedly already received. The Su-35s are brand new. I'm going to go out on a limb and say it's not a straight swap so much as general trade / parts of a larger deal. afaik the Shahed-136 in particular has both a cruise mode and a directly controllable loitering mode, but the loitering mode has a much shorter range (like 150 km) so they're almost exclusively being used in cruise mode for the deep attacks on civilian infrastructure. I still think it's worthwhile making the distinction between cruise missiles and loitering munitions because even when they're fulfilling similar purposes they tend to have very different profiles. Cruise missiles tend to be bigger, faster, longer ranged, more expensive, carry larger warheads, and have limited control capacity during flight. Even when you end up discussing ones that have similar capacities (recent generations of the Tomahawk have some loitering capabilities, for example, and the Shaheds are being used without their loitering capabilities most of the time) the other distinctions tend to remain. I'll admit that it's a distinction without a real difference in some cases but it's useful to have more specific terms to easily differentiate between the two in capacities other than command and control.
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Cerebral Bore posted:yea, it works completely as intended as long as it never has to fly Doing war stuff was always a secondary mission
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atelier morgan posted:that would require the tooling to survive a single order rather than being immediately destroyed to make more sales for the next model ok assume that to you freakin nerd
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indigi posted:how long does it take to build a 4.5/5th generation plane from scratch (assuming manufacturing expertise/capacity and available resources) in the current state of the west now? forever
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whole lotta commissioned officers never take the test. especially statistically significant ones. that trend is that becoming more common over time.
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Rutibex posted:Lol good luck isolating Iran's over-land trade routes. If they wanted they could just buy spare parts from the Taliban Taliban ftw
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Filthy Hans posted:https://twitter.com/SamRamani2/status/1610665014679031808 capitalists shocked by profit motivation happened many such cases
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