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Elon Musk learning the same lessons the British did during the industrial revolution is An Art The industrial revolution tl:dr is that the UK got there first for a variaty of reasons, factories get built and they have the monopoly on mass production for a short while till India and America catch up. With colonialism and america's slavery coinciding with the UK introducing labour laws on the home island it meant that the industrial revolution died a lot sooner here than people think. The first generation industrialists had so much money that they built these huge stately homes, took baths in money, and were all made dukes and lords for services to empire. Unless they were one of the few who moved prodction to India, by the time the sons and grandsons inherited in the 1910s the factories were shut and noel coward was writing amusing songs about how they were flat broke because there was no money left to look after grandad's stupid big house. We are now at the germans and japanese have caught up stage, and tesla bagholders are SHOCKED that the sale prices have to go down.
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Chicken Butt posted:I don’t want to sound like I’m defending Elongated Muskrat, but you’re actually much better off in any EV (even a Tesla) when stuck in a snowstorm or traffic jam … as long as you have a full battery. Largely because the usual primary concern of CO poisoning doesn’t exist. If you’re not actually driving, keeping the cabin at a reasonable temperature in cold weather does not actually drain the battery that quickly. Im surprised by that car and driver article. Makes sense. I will change my thinking
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cynic posted:Pretty much nailed it; futuristic, no wing mirrors, heart full of murderous rage "futuristic, no wing mirrors, heart full of murderous rage"  i'm going to use up all my free prompts
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I was half-expecting this to turn out like an old Street Fighter 2 bonus stage with the car lying in pieces in the street.
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learnincurve posted:We are now at the germans and japanese have caught up stage, and tesla bagholders are SHOCKED that the sale prices have to go down. I will be forever thankful for Tesla for pushing mainstream companies towards EV's, but their cars are pretty trash and the competition has overtaken them (you can literally go out right now and spend $20k less on a car that is more reliable and better built, has similar performance, and doesn't have a loving moron in charge of the brand). Tesla bet it all on self-driving and it turns out it's honestly not a solvable problem right now. This wasn't even an unavoidable problem; I've chatted about self-driving with AI greybeards behind self-driving prototypes at huge automotive companies and there's not a single one who would trust a self-driving car to get them to the bottom of the road.
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Lord Stimperor posted:Of course idiots are letting their cars on autopilot in front of a daycare It's called grazing
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All Tesla beta tests are public betas. Someone is eventually going to be seriously injured or killed in this and Musky will try to use the "they were using it wrong" defense at trial. And I mean him, not lawyers because he'll insist on defending himself at trial.
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Jan 6, 2023 20:19
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Jan 6, 2023 20:20
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Lol I guess I never really considered that this feature had a monthly fee. I sorta assumed it lived in the car (because you wouldn’t want your driver’s brain to fall out when cell service drops), so once you unlocked it you owned it, and after you realized it was real bad, you merely put it in the metaphoric closet of shame with the panini press and Shake Weight. Like, imagine this $200/month fee with all the others services you don’t use, but are too lazy to cancel, sitting there on your monthly credit card statement; 8 streaming services, a murder arg, monthly snacks from around the world, Skynet’s developmentally disabled brother, etc.
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Jan 6, 2023 20:26
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Chicken Butt posted:I don’t want to sound like I’m defending Elongated Muskrat, but you’re actually much better off in any EV (even a Tesla) when stuck in a snowstorm or traffic jam … as long as you have a full battery. Largely because the usual primary concern of CO poisoning doesn’t exist. If you’re not actually driving, keeping the cabin at a reasonable temperature in cold weather does not actually drain the battery that quickly. I think you would have to sit idling for a stupidly long time to drain a gas/diesel tank as well. When I was driving across Norway in the winter there was some kind of massive road work up in a mountain pass so they stopped all traffic for more than two hours. My gas tank was at just above 3/4 full when they told us it would take more than an hour, and it was still at 3/4 when I drove off almost 2.5 hours later.
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Offler posted:I think you would have to sit idling for a stupidly long time to drain a gas/diesel tank as well. When I was driving across Norway in the winter there was some kind of massive road work up in a mountain pass so they stopped all traffic for more than two hours. My gas tank was at just above 3/4 full when they told us it would take more than an hour, and it was still at 3/4 when I drove off almost 2.5 hours later. The last car I had that measured instant consumption showed that it used like 0.7 liters / hour idling. Could literally idle most of a week on a full tank. As Butt said though it's just CO poisoning that is a concern if you get snowed in
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captainOrbital posted:"futuristic, no wing mirrors, heart full of murderous rage" Thats some real Ian Banks stuff there. Just need names for the car AI like No child left behind or The unbearable weight of massive batteries
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Offler posted:I think you would have to sit idling for a stupidly long time to drain a gas/diesel tank as well. When I was driving across Norway in the winter there was some kind of massive road work up in a mountain pass so they stopped all traffic for more than two hours. My gas tank was at just above 3/4 full when they told us it would take more than an hour, and it was still at 3/4 when I drove off almost 2.5 hours later. I think it's more to do with ventilation. I used to own a campervan with a diesel heater in it (drip feed from the fuel tank and a burner under one of the seats, with electric blown heating through the whole vehicle, and the CO vent was right in the middle of the floor of the van. Because of this setup, we had a CO detector fitted because you could literally get brain damage if that vent ever got blocked (e.g. in a blizzard). EVs are simpler and safer - sealed cell chemicals -> volts -> heat. Not longer lasting though; with a full tank of diesel I could have heated that van for a month. As far as I recall, most diesel cars use electric supplemented heating (so from the 12v battery supply) because of the lower amount of waste heat early on in the driving cycle anyway. cynic fucked around with this message at 20:46 on Jan 6, 2023 |
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twistedmentat posted:All Tesla beta tests are public betas. Someone is eventually going to be seriously injured or killed in this and Musky will try to use the "they were using it wrong" defense at trial. And I mean him, not lawyers because he'll insist on defending himself at trial. All bets are off if they get rid of the steering wheel pressure nag like Musk wants though.
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twistedmentat posted:All Tesla beta tests are public betas. Someone is eventually going to be seriously injured or killed in this and Musky will try to use the "they were using it wrong" defense at trial. And I mean him, not lawyers because he'll insist on defending himself at trial. No "eventually" about it, the first death from someone using autopilot was back in 2016 and there have been plenty more since. I went to look it up and there's even a website entirely dedicated to tracking it: https://www.tesladeaths.com/
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Entropic posted:I just realized that neither capacitive buttons nor touchscreens are usable when you get into the car wearing gloves. Speaking from northern Ontario in the winter, lol The gas station near my put in new pumps and you gotta go through the yes/no stuff for rewards, carwash receipt and all. The buttons are capacitive, which is REALLY GREAT when the gas station is in Minnesota and it's -10 with -30 windchill.
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cynic posted:I will be forever thankful for Tesla for pushing mainstream companies towards EV's, but their cars are pretty trash and the competition has overtaken them (you can literally go out right now and spend $20k less on a car that is more reliable and better built, has similar performance, and doesn't have a loving moron in charge of the brand). Tesla bet it all on self-driving and it turns out it's honestly not a solvable problem right now. This wasn't even an unavoidable problem; I've chatted about self-driving with AI greybeards behind self-driving prototypes at huge automotive companies and there's not a single one who would trust a self-driving car to get them to the bottom of the road. Maybe the bottom of a cliff
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zedprime posted:Its currently positioned as a driver aid requiring full attention to monitor to shift the liability. Not totally absolving them as its pretty apparently flawed vs what it says on the label but limiting the damages to misrepresentation instead of manslaughter. Having seen a few videos of the whole FSD thing, and heard the stories of a friend of mine stupid enough to buy into it, the whole experience seems infinitely more stressful than just regular boring driving. Constantly having to be hyperfocused on what your car is doing, hoping you'll catch it before it suddenly decides that building is now the road and smashes you into it, instead of simply driving the car as normal sounds anxiety inducing. Can't imagine paying $200 a month for the privilige of being even more stressed while driving than normal traffic would make you. What a nightmare idea
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cynic posted:I think it's more to do with ventilation. I used to own a campervan with a diesel heater in it (drip feed from the fuel tank and a burner under one of the seats, with electric blown heating through the whole vehicle, and the CO vent was right in the middle of the floor of the van. Because of this setup, we had a CO detector fitted because you could literally get brain damage if that vent ever got blocked (e.g. in a blizzard). T1N (MB, Freightliner, etc.) van? I only ask because someone in AI installed a diesel heater like you describe in a T1N recently and made no mention of a CO vent. That makes me slightly worried for them. e: Whoops. That was supposed to be a PM. madeintaipei fucked around with this message at 22:09 on Jan 6, 2023 |
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I thought the Apple Mouse being specifically unusable while plugged in was a Jony Ive thing. The one that came out during Job's time had a little battery compartment that just took AAs, and you could get Apple-branded rechargeables if you really liked throwing your money at it (I also saw aftermarket battery packs that were USB chargeable, and I think at least one would let you use the mouse while it was charging). Jony Ive of course was the person in charge while Apple laptops (and desktops) got thinner and thinner, with less removable components and upgrade slots. He was also in charge when the terrible touchbar replaced the function keys. You'll note that the touchbar disappeared and the laptops almost instantaneously got thicker again after he began to distance himself/left.
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Yeah they added MagSafe back too gently caress jony. Didn’t know it was supposed to be pronounced “johnny” and I still don’t care
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Musk will never be sued over full self driving because its programmed to turn itself off (micro) seconds before a crash so msuk can say that fsd wasnt in control when it ran over twenty kids at a bus stop. Oestensibly this is so the driver can take back over but its very clearly liability shifting since it does it at points when recovery is impossible.
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OzyMandrill posted:Thats some real Ian Banks stuff there. From the unbearable magnate of massive twattery.
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Steadiman posted:Having seen a few videos of the whole FSD thing, and heard the stories of a friend of mine stupid enough to buy into it, the whole experience seems infinitely more stressful than just regular boring driving. Constantly having to be hyperfocused on what your car is doing, hoping you'll catch it before it suddenly decides that building is now the road and smashes you into it, instead of simply driving the car as normal sounds anxiety inducing. Can't imagine paying $200 a month for the privilige of being even more stressed while driving than normal traffic would make you. What a nightmare idea Friend of mine has it in his X, and it has weird problems. The big one it has is that part of its intelligence is built on google maps, and if the maps haven't updated, then doesn't know what to do. For instance, there is a bypass road built around town, they worked on it in stages, and parts of the road had roundabouts put in until an overpass was finished. When you drive on this road, the Tesla still thinks there is a roundabout there, and will hit the brakes as you get near. Every time it does this, he hits the button to report it. Been over a year now.
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cynic posted:Although the supercharger network was pretty smart and will probably end up being one of the more worthwhile investments made. Nah gently caress the supercharger network, it would have been more worthwhile to not use proprietary connectors and manufacturer exclusivity.
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CitizenKain posted:Friend of mine has it in his X, and it has weird problems. The big one it has is that part of its intelligence is built on google maps, and if the maps haven't updated, then doesn't know what to do. For instance, there is a bypass road built around town, they worked on it in stages, and parts of the road had roundabouts put in until an overpass was finished. When you drive on this road, the Tesla still thinks there is a roundabout there, and will hit the brakes as you get near. Every time it does this, he hits the button to report it. Been over a year now. This must be fun in those situations when you're on a road that runs parallel to a highway (or under it) and your GPS thinks you're actually on the highway. I assume the Tesla will speed up to 70 mph at that point
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Steadiman posted:Having seen a few videos of the whole FSD thing, and heard the stories of a friend of mine stupid enough to buy into it, the whole experience seems infinitely more stressful than just regular boring driving. Constantly having to be hyperfocused on what your car is doing, hoping you'll catch it before it suddenly decides that building is now the road and smashes you into it, instead of simply driving the car as normal sounds anxiety inducing. Can't imagine paying $200 a month for the privilige of being even more stressed while driving than normal traffic would make you. What a nightmare idea
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OzyMandrill posted:Thats some real Ian Banks stuff there. More Alastair Reynolds in my mind. As much as Musk imagines himself to be some sort of harbinger of Banks' ideal (I know he used Banksian names for his rockets and poo poo) he's actually pretty much the opposite. Banks' Culture is socialist and elegant and efficient to a fault. Musk reminds me much more of Alastair Reynolds. It's been a decade but I remember those works to be much more needlessly cruel for the sake of progress and human nature. I'm not entirely up on my scifi/space operage knowledge but even to me Musk seems like the polar opposite of what Banks had in mind. He'd use him as an example for what not to be, given his politics. But all of that is besides the issue because Musk just simply doesn't operate on the same level as legit authors and intelligent people do. He's winging it, always has been, and somehow just lucked out and failed upwards every single time. He's the Mule, basically. (Lol, is that enough scifi or should I find a way to work in Ringworld someway?)
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morningdrew posted:This must be fun in those situations when you're on a road that runs parallel to a highway (or under it) and your GPS thinks you're actually on the highway. I assume the Tesla will speed up to 70 mph at that point Some of it is undoubtedly sensory-based too. I don't have FSD or "enhanced autopilot" but normal autopilot on mine definitely thinks the signals for the VTA train that run down the middle of the freeway in some places are just freeway traffic lights. Since mine doesn't respond to traffic lights as it's just "basic" that certainly doesn't explain the random hard braking it will occasionally do on the freeway at 80mph.
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SLOSifl posted:Check it out: so basically in mario kart, if your driving next to a donkey kong, the game makes it so donkey kong knows how to drive and how fast he is going, what the limit is, and stuff like that. And that's on a nintendo. A tesla is much more advanced and the donkey kong is the whole car. It doesn't have to even think about yoshis or jumps, just not hit certain things. It was figured out so long ago that people still had literal telephones for phones. Maps are even older. What about the banana peels SLOSifl? WHAT ABOUT THE BANANA PEELS!!
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Chainclaw posted:I never understood why Tesla didn't just contract Simone for her Truckla design and put it out as the Tesla pickup truck.
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If that stupid HGV/Lorry goes off google maps then I forsee a very specific problem. I live near to a big customs clearnigs warehouse, and when I say big I mean this thing is over a mile long. They built a special road coming off a new junction on the M1 (our biggest highway), to stop enormous lorries coming off a junction earlier and saving themselves a few seconds by cutting though a small village and thundering past a school, as a extra "gently caress you" the council put up these unraisable lorry murdering barriers on the shortcut they were using. Google maps does not realise they exist and still sends these idiots down that road, and as there is no way to turn around they have to do the slow reversal of shame and explain themselves when shown the barrier CCTV footage. Tesla lorry going to decapitate itself.
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QuarkJets posted:Nah gently caress the supercharger network, it would have been more worthwhile to not use proprietary connectors and manufacturer exclusivity. It's more getting enough juice to prime charging real estate. They can fix the connector issues easily (and in fact have for various trials in the EU)
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Steadiman posted:Can't imagine paying $200 a month for the privilige of being even more stressed while driving than normal traffic would make you. What a nightmare idea Wait wait wait, the FSD thing is a subscription service? Who in the world would pay for that on top of hugely overpaying for the car itself?
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Musky should make a Tesla but its a technical and he makes 1 for every spot on the alignment chart.
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bobjr posted:https://twitter.com/kthorjensen/status/1611390291063500800?s=46&t=9aF6Uyn27xRifAs8SVxlgg Wtf, this photo is from 2012? Looks like something you'd see on some loser's geocities page back then. Also lmao at De Sade, I thought this was supposed to be some kinda Matrix poo poo.
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Steadiman posted:What about the banana peels SLOSifl? WHAT ABOUT THE BANANA PEELS!! Teslas are not designed to drive over banana peels. It's your fault that your bumper fell off and your car span out into a crowd of goombas.
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