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Paracaidas posted:Following November's Yeah, but...people having more money is gonna cause much more inflation, you see. So really this is bad. Mizaq posted:I didnt sign the revised employee handbook even as a VP because they tried to sneak in no drinking on the job. my job was to drink during lunch with suppliers and customers. Are you guys hiring?
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:A GOP sex scandal was not on my list today, but throw it on the pile I mean a Republican sex scandal is basically a free space on any day's political bingo. I will admit I'm surprised it floated anywhere near to the top of the media churn with McCarthy doing his best to put in an early nomination for "Most humiliated idiot, 2023".
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Walker's race tested the limits of a sex scandal affecting a Republican. They might not win, but they won't make themselves vanish.
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Jan 6, 2023 15:06
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Anyone listening to Bidens speech? He just said "Imagine if a mob broke into the UK parliament to overturn the election for Speaker of the House" 🤣🤣
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Shrieking Muppet posted:Is their any reasonable chance of the republicans working out a deal with democrats to choose a speaker or do we get to watch them bash their heads against the wall trying to negotiate with the children of the moron caucus? No. They will bash their heads until Kevin gets 218 votes. He almost definitely will eventually, but a group of them are apparently having a bet to see how far he will debase himself with promises he can never fulfill or personal embarrassment before they do.
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Shrieking Muppet posted:Is their any reasonable chance of the republicans working out a deal with democrats to choose a speaker or do we get to watch them bash their heads against the wall trying to negotiate with the children of the moron caucus? The only way we get some form of a Unity House is for McCarthy to withdraw his nomination. Even then, it's likely that the next candidate put forward wins because the only real reason for people not to vote for McCarthy, is because it's McCarthy. So McCarthy has to withdraw, the next guy then has to lose, and the next next guy has to find a way to ensure that the Democrats trust him to not just laugh at them once he's Speaker. It's not a very easy needle to thread.
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Shrieking Muppet posted:Is their any reasonable chance of the republicans working out a deal with democrats to choose a speaker or do we get to watch them bash their heads against the wall trying to negotiate with the children of the moron caucus? McCarthy somehow attempting to make a deal with Democrats would be incredibly self-defeating and cost him as many votes from his own party as he picked up from any such deal, even if the Democrats were completely stupid enough to trust that McCarthy would fulfill the terms of whatever he promised them. He's going to keep begging the crazies to support him and making promises to them until the dam finally breaks, because that's literally the only path he has to the speakership. The only other way out of this situation would be for him to step aside and let someone else step up, and he wants this too much to do that.
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Gyges posted:The only way we get some form of a Unity House is for McCarthy to withdraw his nomination. Even then, it's likely that the next candidate put forward wins because the only real reason for people not to vote for McCarthy, is because it's McCarthy. There's also the fact that there is no "next guy" because none of the Republicans want this job. Everyone can see how much of a headache it is for how little gain.
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:A GOP sex scandal was not on my list today, but throw it on the pile isnt schlapp some weird morality police anti lgbtq dickhead?
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Alkydere posted:There's also the fact that there is no "next guy" because none of the Republicans want this job. Everyone can see how much of a headache it is for how little gain. also the people who want it dont have the votes because they are either hardline nutters or they all hate each other for purity poo poo.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:isnt schlapp some weird morality police anti lgbtq dickhead? Maybe in a "if I do this maybe they won't think I'm gay" way but he wasn't fooling anyone. Dude is basically the Dom DeLuise character in Blazing Saddles.
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Republicans posted:Maybe in a "if I do this maybe they won't think I'm gay" way but he wasn't fooling anyone. Dude is basically the Dom DeLuise character in Blazing Saddles. Throw out your hands Stick out your tush Hands on your hips Give 'em a push You'll be surprised You're doing the Chud mistake MAGA
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Dapper_Swindler posted:isnt schlapp some weird morality police anti lgbtq dickhead? Is there a republican who isn't an anti lgbtq dickhead?
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I'm hearing some of my colleagues cite this as the death of the GOP and how they're falling apart but I don't buy it and simply think that this is the new normal moving forward. I have to admit though that it's entertaining watching them continue to grapple with the frankenstein monster they've unleashed through decades of talk radio and poo poo. The purveyors of that garbage for the most part never really believed it, even people like Newt Gingrich, but found it useful as a political tool; similar to courting the televangelists and moral majority types. But their followers believe it all and have grown up on this poo poo to become members of congress that the establishment run of the mill "we just want to be rich" types have no idea how to control or deal with.
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I don't think it's the death knell, but it's another nail at a minimum of the rot slowly eroding them as a party.
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Frankly it's a nice change of pace to see the Republicans openly not having their poo poo together instead of more Dems Bad Circus
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There was a lot of whining about how good moderate Dems were screwed over by the evils of the radical left after the election but guess what, turns out it just let the trash out.
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I have the feeling that this is just the momentary churn before they coalesce into something new and worse. Remember, everyone thought that nominating Trump would be the death of the GOP too.
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Remember that this is a party that believes government is bad and usually isn't interested in governing. The inmates are basically running the asylum in the House now so I'm expecting the next two years to be a shitshow at minimum
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The GOP has been done for most elections of my lifetime and I'm not even 30 yet
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The new normal cannot be that the legislative branch is entirely shut down for two years. Like, that’s just not an option if we want to continue calling ourselves a country. We’d collapse into anarchy before the next election
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Schadenfreude is all we have left because the reality that the GOP has finally figured out the most efficient way to hold the entire government hostage for possibly weeks at a time is a little too much to bear right now, yeah. I hate the American government like, a lot, but I do kind of need it to stay alive, so it's kind of a weird situation.
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:The GOP has been done for most elections of my lifetime and I'm not even 30 yet Well by the end of the day they'll have done more elections for speaker over a 4 day period than you've seen in the rest of your lifetime as well.
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haveblue posted:The new normal cannot be that the legislative branch is entirely shut down for two years. Like, that’s just not an option if we want to continue calling ourselves a country. We’d collapse into anarchy before the next election It wouldn't be the first time the House did gently caress all for a full term.
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haveblue posted:The new normal cannot be that the legislative branch is entirely shut down for two years. Like, that’s just not an option if we want to continue calling ourselves a country. We’d collapse into anarchy before the next election The cause of McCarthy's extensive public humiliation isn't just the Freedom Caucus. Sure, the Freedom Caucus is being pointlessly obstructionist and defying party leadership, but they've been doing that for years. It's not uncommon for the House to have a couple dozen cranks that are quietly shoved into a corner and ignored when voting time comes around. The reason they're able to cause such problems this time is because the GOP completely loving flubbed the midterms and came out of it with only a single-digit margin in the House. Historically, it's pretty rare for the majority party to have a majority this thin - usually, they have a hefty enough majority that a handful of their own members kicking up a fuss can be safely ignored. Granted, House margins have generally been thinner in the 21st century, but usually not this thin. When Trump took office, the GOP had a 47-seat margin on their majority. They're in this situation because they got absolutely walloped in Trump's midterms, and then barely managed to scrape back a majority in Biden's midterms, leaving them with absolutely no breathing room to ignore the usual selection of fringe weirdoes.
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Main Paineframe posted:The cause of McCarthy's extensive public humiliation isn't just the Freedom Caucus. Sure, the Freedom Caucus is being pointlessly obstructionist and defying party leadership, but they've been doing that for years. It's not uncommon for the House to have a couple dozen cranks that are quietly shoved into a corner and ignored when voting time comes around. Pelosi managed a margin like this just fine, despite there being more than enough progressives in the caucus to sink her. Why didn't they? Because democrats all want to actually govern and do things and because Pelosi is actually good at politics and negotiating.
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Charlz Guybon posted:Pelosi managed a margin like this just fine, despite there being more than enough progressives in the caucus to sink her. Why didn't they? Because democrats all want to actually govern and do things and because Pelosi is actually good at politics and negotiating. It was the Blue Dogs "Problem Solvers" who iirc caused her more problems then say, the Squad.
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Sorry if this has been posted already. I scanned back a few pages. Rogers looks like he was talking some poo poo to gaetz and got pulled off https://twitter.com/Leo_Puglisi6/status/1611575477331951617?t=w_NbpJ0MAkdxXX68iblUNw&s=19
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Fister Roboto posted:I have the feeling that this is just the momentary churn before they coalesce into something new and worse. Remember, everyone thought that nominating Trump would be the death of the GOP too. It's not without precedent. Nixon and the Southern Strategy, and some of his... Personal issues, led to the eventual expulsion of the "liberal, Rockefeller Republicans" and paved the way for Ronnie, Newt and the obstructionist, "drown the government in the bath-tub" types that came to dominate the GOP for a few decades. Now the culture warriors seem to be trying, how intentionally who knows?, to do the same thing with their "clearing the swamp" ballyhooing. What kind of Republican party comes out of this re-alignment remains to be seen, but I'm going to bet a dollar to a donut (should it be the other way around now?) that it won't be pretty.
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Raenir Salazar posted:It was the Blue Dogs "Problem Solvers" who iirc caused her more problems then say, the Squad. Did the Squad even have fundamentally different goals than Pelosi? Correct me if I'm wrong (I probably am) - but I think the main differences were how to get to there, and how quickly.
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Shooting Blanks posted:Did the Squad even have fundamentally different goals than Pelosi? Correct me if I'm wrong (I probably am) - but I think the main differences were how to get to there, and how quickly. Someone thinks so. https://twitter.com/briebriejoy/status/1610749343006621696
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Charlz Guybon posted:Someone thinks so. I think time has repeatedly proven that particular Someone is not very good at being correct
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Shooting Blanks posted:Did the Squad even have fundamentally different goals than Pelosi? No, turns out they were all loving liars and cowards that immediately collapsed and started killing progressive legislation and breaking strikes the instant Mama Pelosi looked at them.
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If the will of the masses can be so utterly difused, misdirected, and subverted, I imagine it's the same for any fresh politician that actually wants to change things. Then it's just lesser evils and "this is just how it's done". Hell, we're all making similar compromises with our every purchase. Disclaimer: I am not advocating you identify with politicians. *edit I can also entertain the idea that for as unrepresentative as our system is, Americans may also be culpable. BRJurgis fucked around with this message at 09:18 on Jan 7, 2023 |
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Main Paineframe posted:I don't think "the courts are dominated by liberals who keep striking down conservative laws and can't be overruled, let's spend the next fifty years doing everything we can to appoint conservative justices to those courts to get those liberal rulings overturned" is exactly a stroke of political brilliance. The conservative project has achieved victory on all fronts so total that the largest 'progressive' victory of the last twenty years was a lovely hand out to private insurance spearheaded by a crypto conservative who also tried to cut social security while letting his banker buddies off the hook for the colossal economic collapse they initiated. Complaining that their strategy wasn't particularly clever seems like a non sequitur. It also begs the question of why couldn't democrats stay laser focused on a grand project over decades and achieve success by increments? Perhaps they did, and the entrenchment of corporate power is the fruit of the New Democrat's efforts since the 90s. Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:The Trump tax cuts were also originally supposed to be slightly over $7 trillion dollars and they planned to eliminate the filibuster to do so. But, some Senators balked and they ended up doing it via reconciliation which made it "only" $1.7 trillion and partially expire in 10 years. They won, but they didn't win as hard as they could have won, so who can say if the conservatives are victorious or not? The Trump tax cuts and destruction of Roe were incremental steps towards ultimate policy goals, and ones unlikely to be reversed by democrats even if they have the majority and total control of government. By contrast, the ACA is explicitly *not* an incremental step towards universal healthcare and exists as a bulwark against a developed world healthcare policy. When conservatives win they get essential stepping stones towards their agenda. When 'progressives' 'win' they get roadblocks that will actively impede further progress towards left wing goals.
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haveblue posted:The new normal cannot be that the legislative branch is entirely shut down for two years. Like, that’s just not an option if we want to continue calling ourselves a country. We’d collapse into anarchy before the next election We went through 8 years with Obama and Republicans obstructing literally everything for the entire time. America is perfectly content to do literally nothing for decades.
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Byzantine posted:No, turns out they were all loving liars and cowards that immediately collapsed and started killing progressive legislation and breaking strikes the instant Mama Pelosi looked at them. News to me. Got sources for any of that? (not trying to be lovely, this is legitimately the first I've heard of it and I'd love to hear what this is all about)
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Shooting Blanks posted:Did the Squad even have fundamentally different goals than Pelosi? Correct me if I'm wrong (I probably am) - but I think the main differences were how to get to there, and how quickly. The deep and abiding hatred of the DNC illuminati for party progressives was largely made up Twitter stuff, and neither of them were willing to burn everything down just to stick it to Manchin/Sinema, so it tended to be fairly cordial negotiations even when they differed in opinion.
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