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Apr 11, 2010

QuickbreathFinisher posted:

am I reading the follow ups correctly that he's now serving 57 years for killing his (wealthy older male) rapist

goddamn that is bleak

free my man

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QuickbreathFinisher
Sep 28, 2008

by reading this post you have agreed to form a gay socialist micronation.
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say this

Riot Bimbo posted:

[Goon Project] Let's break Kai out of prison

Cloks
Feb 1, 2013

by Azathoth
the dasha movie is competent at best and it's hilarious that they made a couple thousand "limited edition" blu rays that have not been sold

Another Bill
Sep 27, 2018

Born on the bayou
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QuickbreathFinisher posted:

am I reading the follow ups correctly that he's now serving 57 years for killing his (wealthy older male) rapist

goddamn that is bleak

They're making a Netflix true crime series about him apparently

https://dailyhive.com/canada/netflix-hatchet-wielding-hitchhiker-kai

smarxist
Jul 26, 2018

by Fluffdaddy

Another Bill posted:

They're making a Netflix true crime series about him apparently

https://dailyhive.com/canada/netflix-hatchet-wielding-hitchhiker-kai

oh good maybe he'll get out now

Shear Modulus
Jun 9, 2010



Is 57 years in prison better or worse than kevin spacey's victims randomly dying

Shear Modulus has issued a correction as of 04:06 on Jan 7, 2023

Real hurthling!
Sep 11, 2001




youd have to ask kai

Private Cumshoe
Feb 15, 2019

AAAAAAAGAGHAAHGGAH

smarxist posted:

oh good maybe he'll get out now

before Tiger King?

The_Rob
Feb 1, 2007

Blah blah blah blah!!

Cloks posted:

the dasha movie is competent at best and it's hilarious that they made a couple thousand "limited edition" blu rays that have not been sold

I think vinegar syndrome put it out. which is actually perfect.

The Atomic Man-Boy
Jul 23, 2007

Tempora Mutantur posted:

jesus christ, I had no idea who that guy was till seeing that tweet

super fuckin bleak :(

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTUop2vf--M

Wow. Police are either incompetent or are on the side of a rich pedophile over a poor victim, or both to such a degree that they is no functional difference between the two. Weird how that keeps happening.

Riot Bimbo
Dec 28, 2006


best not to think too much about it or you might come to some conclusions about justice that are uncomfortable

Zodium
Jun 19, 2004

The Atomic Man-Boy posted:

Wow. Police are either incompetent or are on the side of a rich pedophile over a poor victim, or both to such a degree that they is no functional difference between the two. Weird how that keeps happening.

probably a coincidence.

BIG-DICK-BUTT-FUCK
Jan 26, 2016

by Fluffdaddy

The Atomic Man-Boy posted:

Wow. Police are either incompetent or are on the side of a rich pedophile over a poor victim, or both to such a degree that they is no functional difference between the two. Weird how that keeps happening.

the mfer represented himself in the trial and almost got banned from the courtroom bc of all the yelling. He's barely fit to stand trial, let alone represent himself. Great miscarriage of justice... Free da guy

Impkins Patootie
Apr 20, 2017





Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

Semper Shitpost Ubique

This thread makes it hard to read some general history books. For example, in the recent Osprey book on mercenaries:

"On 30 June 1960 the Belgian Congo celebrated independence following 52 years of colonial rule. Within days there was turmoil, with President Joseph Kasa- Vubu and Prime Minister Patrice Lumumba unable to control the vast nation’s many diverse tribes. An uprising within the ranks of the Force Publique (soon to be renamed the Congolese National Army – l’Armée Nationale Congolaise, ANC) led to Belgian military intervention, with mutineers disarmed and disbanded. However, in the mineral-rich south-eastern province of Katanga, troops loyal to the regional leader Moïse Tshombe were retained as his own army – la Gendarmerie Katangaise. On 11 July, as European residents were subjected to an increasing wave of violence throughout the Congo, Tshombe proclaimed the secession of Katanga."

"Two weeks after independence, the first troops of a United Nations peacekeeping force (ONUC) began to arrive, preparatory to taking over from departing Belgian forces. Soon afterwards, South Kasai was also declared an autonomous state by its provincial leader, Albert Kalonji. Disappointed by the ineffectiveness of the UN, Lumumba sought to resolve matters by turning to Russia for aid. Soon, his forces were sufficiently equipped to overrun Kasai, but an attempt to reclaim neighbouring Katanga failed."

"Tshombe faced immediate threats not just from the Congolese central government in Léopoldville (Kinshasa) and the UN, but also from the Baluba, government in Léopoldville (Kinshasa) and the UN, but also from the Baluba, his tribal and political rivals in northern Katanga. His solution was to bolster his forces with white mercenaries – a move that was welcomed by Katanga’s powerful Belgian-operated mining industry and resident European community."

"On 14 September 1960, discord within the Léopoldville government led to the ANC chief of staff, Col Joseph Désiré Mobutu, taking control in a bloodless coup, and expelling Lumumba’s Soviet and Communist-bloc advisers. Lumumba would be assassinated in captivity a few months later. In response, Lumumbists under Antoine Gizenga formed a rival government in Stanleyville (Kisangani) in the north-eastern Orientale Province."

"In February 1961, Kasa-Vubu was re-appointed as president, and in August the now-MajGen Mobutu replaced interim premier Joseph Iléo with Cyrille Adoula. Before long, the rival regimes in Léopoldville and Stanleyville were reconciled by means of a division of spoils, with key posts assigned to Gizenga and his political ally Christophe Gbenye. Unsurprisingly, such an arrangement did not sit easily with Moïse Tshombe."

"By this time, 500 or more Belgian, French and English-speaking mercenaries were employed in Katanga, as well as Belgian officers seconded on contract to the Gendarmerie. At the end of August 1961 the UN conducted an operation to rid the Gendarmerie of foreign irregular and regular military personnel. Several hundred were expelled (although many would return and resume their activities). On 13 September, UN troops seized control of key points throughout Katanga. The next day, a combined mercenary/ Katangese force responded with the first in a series of assaults, against a UN company of Irish troops (A Coy, 35th Bn) at Jadotville. The attacking forces suffered heavy losses over several days, but the garrison was eventually forced to surrender (none had been killed, and the prisoners were exchanged a month later)."

"There followed a brief lull until 5 December 1961. Mercenaries captured by the UN were still being deported, but recruiting continued. This volatile situation continued for another year, before the UN demanded an end to Katanga’s secession. When the ultimatum was rejected, UN troops went on the offensive. Tshombe’s mercenaries and several thousand Katangese gendarmes were forced to withdraw across the southern border into the Portuguese colony of Angola. (The mercenaries included a French veteran of the Navy and colonial police who called himself Bob Denard, leading a small 1er Choc assault unit.) In mid- January 1963, Tshombe finally conceded defeat and went into exile; Katanga was reintegrated as a province of the Congo, and for a while enjoyed a period of relative calm."

It's so weird that Belgium had to intervene and that the mineral rich province succeeded. This is a book by one of the major military history presses, in 2022, arguing that the Congo had "too many diverse tribes", and that Lumumba basically brought the downfall of his country on himself by being a communist.

I don't even know how to process the characterization of Rhodesia:

"In July 1964 a unit of ZANU’s military wing, the Zimbabwe African National Liberation Army (ZANLA), ambushed a white family in their car and murdered Petrus Oberholzer, in the first act of terrorism in Rhodesia since the 1890s. While it was an isolated case, the killing had a profound effect on the country’s close-knit white community. Since the British Labour government of Harold Wilson was unsupportive, on 11 November 1965 Rhodesian Prime Minister Ian Smith severed ties with Britain by a Unilateral Declaration of Independence (UDI). Five months later, on 28 April 1966, security forces killed seven ZANLA insurgents in a skirmish that would mark, for ZANU, the beginning of Chimurenga – their war of liberation."

Frosted Flake has issued a correction as of 15:20 on Jan 7, 2023

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

Frosted Flake posted:

This thread makes it hard to read some general history books. For example, in the recent Osprey book on mercenaries:

a long time ago I made it about a quarter of the way through a book by some guy named Mike Hoare before it felt like the narrative was a little hosed and I looked up the name

oops

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

Semper Shitpost Ubique

gradenko_2000 posted:

a long time ago I made it about a quarter of the way through a book by some guy named Mike Hoare before it felt like the narrative was a little hosed and I looked up the name

oops

"The professionalism of the Rhodesian security forces is reflected in their fatality rate, which remained fairly low throughout the war. In contrast, a disproportionate number of insurgents were killed, wounded or captured, particularly during major Rhodesian cross-border strikes"



"In 1979 fighting intensified as the war entered its final phase, seeing an increasing number of cross-border operations. At the same time, the future of what had already been renamed Zimbabwe Rhodesia was being decided at the Lancaster House talks in London. On 21 December 1979 a ceasefire was announced, heralding the rise to power of Robert Mugabe and the beginning of the end for yet another decolonized African nation."

This is pretty eye popping for a publisher that's usually on the ball, so I'm curious what the role of the editors was here.

nvm found the reason the book is batshit insane:



Also explains why photos are credited "private collection" instead of to national archives or museums.

Frosted Flake has issued a correction as of 15:39 on Jan 7, 2023

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

can't believe we have to cancel Roland the headless Thompson gunner

Second Hand Meat Mouth
Sep 12, 2001
https://twitter.com/Jughashvilism/status/1611425820916224001

what a shock

Another Bill
Sep 27, 2018

Born on the bayou
died in a cave
bbq and posting
is all I crave

Frosted Flake posted:

This thread makes it hard to read some general history books. For example, in the recent Osprey book on mercenaries:


I was in a pub the other night reading The Devils Chessboard and a guy sitting next to me asked about it. Long story short, I crack pinged 3-4 people.

One of them claimed to have been to a party at William Stephenson's house in Bermuda in the late 70s/early 80s! :tinfoil:

A Bakers Cousin
Dec 18, 2003

by vyelkin

Another Bill posted:

I was in a pub the other night reading The Devils Chessboard

:nsa:

Bilirubin
Feb 16, 2014

The sanctioned action is to CHUG


Frosted Flake posted:

This thread makes it hard to read some general history books. For example, in the recent Osprey book on mercenaries:

"On 30 June 1960 the Belgian Congo celebrated independence following 52 years of colonial rule. Within days there was turmoil, with President Joseph Kasa- Vubu and Prime Minister Patrice Lumumba unable to control the vast nation’s many diverse tribes. An uprising within the ranks of the Force Publique (soon to be renamed the Congolese National Army – l’Armée Nationale Congolaise, ANC) led to Belgian military intervention, with mutineers disarmed and disbanded. However, in the mineral-rich south-eastern province of Katanga, troops loyal to the regional leader Moïse Tshombe were retained as his own army – la Gendarmerie Katangaise. On 11 July, as European residents were subjected to an increasing wave of violence throughout the Congo, Tshombe proclaimed the secession of Katanga."

"Two weeks after independence, the first troops of a United Nations peacekeeping force (ONUC) began to arrive, preparatory to taking over from departing Belgian forces. Soon afterwards, South Kasai was also declared an autonomous state by its provincial leader, Albert Kalonji. Disappointed by the ineffectiveness of the UN, Lumumba sought to resolve matters by turning to Russia for aid. Soon, his forces were sufficiently equipped to overrun Kasai, but an attempt to reclaim neighbouring Katanga failed."

"Tshombe faced immediate threats not just from the Congolese central government in Léopoldville (Kinshasa) and the UN, but also from the Baluba, government in Léopoldville (Kinshasa) and the UN, but also from the Baluba, his tribal and political rivals in northern Katanga. His solution was to bolster his forces with white mercenaries – a move that was welcomed by Katanga’s powerful Belgian-operated mining industry and resident European community."

"On 14 September 1960, discord within the Léopoldville government led to the ANC chief of staff, Col Joseph Désiré Mobutu, taking control in a bloodless coup, and expelling Lumumba’s Soviet and Communist-bloc advisers. Lumumba would be assassinated in captivity a few months later. In response, Lumumbists under Antoine Gizenga formed a rival government in Stanleyville (Kisangani) in the north-eastern Orientale Province."

"In February 1961, Kasa-Vubu was re-appointed as president, and in August the now-MajGen Mobutu replaced interim premier Joseph Iléo with Cyrille Adoula. Before long, the rival regimes in Léopoldville and Stanleyville were reconciled by means of a division of spoils, with key posts assigned to Gizenga and his political ally Christophe Gbenye. Unsurprisingly, such an arrangement did not sit easily with Moïse Tshombe."

"By this time, 500 or more Belgian, French and English-speaking mercenaries were employed in Katanga, as well as Belgian officers seconded on contract to the Gendarmerie. At the end of August 1961 the UN conducted an operation to rid the Gendarmerie of foreign irregular and regular military personnel. Several hundred were expelled (although many would return and resume their activities). On 13 September, UN troops seized control of key points throughout Katanga. The next day, a combined mercenary/ Katangese force responded with the first in a series of assaults, against a UN company of Irish troops (A Coy, 35th Bn) at Jadotville. The attacking forces suffered heavy losses over several days, but the garrison was eventually forced to surrender (none had been killed, and the prisoners were exchanged a month later)."

"There followed a brief lull until 5 December 1961. Mercenaries captured by the UN were still being deported, but recruiting continued. This volatile situation continued for another year, before the UN demanded an end to Katanga’s secession. When the ultimatum was rejected, UN troops went on the offensive. Tshombe’s mercenaries and several thousand Katangese gendarmes were forced to withdraw across the southern border into the Portuguese colony of Angola. (The mercenaries included a French veteran of the Navy and colonial police who called himself Bob Denard, leading a small 1er Choc assault unit.) In mid- January 1963, Tshombe finally conceded defeat and went into exile; Katanga was reintegrated as a province of the Congo, and for a while enjoyed a period of relative calm."

It's so weird that Belgium had to intervene and that the mineral rich province succeeded. This is a book by one of the major military history presses, in 2022, arguing that the Congo had "too many diverse tribes", and that Lumumba basically brought the downfall of his country on himself by being a communist.

I don't even know how to process the characterization of Rhodesia:

"In July 1964 a unit of ZANU’s military wing, the Zimbabwe African National Liberation Army (ZANLA), ambushed a white family in their car and murdered Petrus Oberholzer, in the first act of terrorism in Rhodesia since the 1890s. While it was an isolated case, the killing had a profound effect on the country’s close-knit white community. Since the British Labour government of Harold Wilson was unsupportive, on 11 November 1965 Rhodesian Prime Minister Ian Smith severed ties with Britain by a Unilateral Declaration of Independence (UDI). Five months later, on 28 April 1966, security forces killed seven ZANLA insurgents in a skirmish that would mark, for ZANU, the beginning of Chimurenga – their war of liberation."

lol do they not even mention once how the CIA set up the Katanga separation? Weird that.

Also wait until you read the short anecdote about Che Guevara's short visit to support the "revolutionary" Simbas in the east

Congo Crisis was peak Cold War colonial bullshit

MonsieurChoc
Oct 12, 2013

Every species can smell its own extinction.
One of the many ways JFK pissed off the CIA is that he admired the poo poo out of Lumumba.

Bilirubin
Feb 16, 2014

The sanctioned action is to CHUG


Looks like I'm going to have to read The Devils Chessboard too at some point, as soon as I read The Assassination of Lumumba

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019


lmao Elon Musk
https://twitter.com/elonmuskbooks/status/1476014942297989131

mawarannahr has issued a correction as of 17:46 on Jan 7, 2023

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

Semper Shitpost Ubique

Bilirubin posted:

lol do they not even mention once how the CIA set up the Katanga separation? Weird that.

Also wait until you read the short anecdote about Che Guevara's short visit to support the "revolutionary" Simbas in the east

Merc writing for Osprey posted:


Early in 1964 there was an uprising in the Kwilu region of western Congo, instigated primarily by Pierre Mulele, who had received military training in China. Spearheaded by a force of teenage jeunesse, the revolt of the Simba (‘Lions’) rapidly spread. The UN, with no enthusiasm for continued involvement in the region, withdrew from the Congo on 30 June. At the same time, President Kasa-Vubu terminated Cyrille Adoula’s premiership, prior to entrusting Moïse Tshombe – returned from voluntary exile in Spain – with forming a new Congolese government. Tshombe attempted to resolve the worsening crisis by negotiation; however, by August 1964 rebel leaders were in control of more than half the country, which they renamed the Popular Republic of the Congo (la République populaire du Congo).

For Tshombe, the answer was to again employ a force of white mercenaries. He entrusted the task to Jeremiah (‘Jerry’) Puren, a World War II veteran of the South African Air Force and the RAF. Puren had been a mercenary platoon commander in Katanga, and later chief of the embryo Katangese Air Force. He was now to head air operations, and would also arrange initial recruitment of mercenaries. Puren reached out to another ex-Katanga mercenary, South African-resident former British Army officer Mike Hoare, who was given the rank of major and invited to create a mercenary unit to spearhead a ground offensive by Tshombe’s gendarmes.

Although more than 1,000 men had been recruited, only 38 arrived at Kamina air base in time for Hoare’s first operation. When told that they were to go straight into action, nine of them promptly resigned, but Hoare chose to press on. His plan was to fly his force to Kamipini, then move by road to Moba, before boating 100 miles (160km) north along Lake Tanganyika to Albertville (Kalimié). Once there, Hoare intended to secure the nearby airfield, await the landing of reinforcements, and then advance on the town.

In October 1965, President Kasa-Vubu dismissed Tshombe, appointing as prime minister-designate Évariste Kimba. With the tacit support of the CIA, LtGen Mobutu then ousted Kasa-Vubu in a bloodless coup on 24 November, and declared himself president, with Col Léonard Mulamba as the new premier. For Mike Hoare, it was time to depart the Congo, but his command passed to John Peters, and 5 Cdo, together with the French-speaking 6 Cdo now led by Maj Bob Denard, continued to serve Mobutu. (Denard had returned to the Congo in 1964 after a spell with the royalist forces in the Yemen.) Several mercenary officers, including the Belgian planter Jean ‘Black Jack’ Schramme, commanded other predominantly Katangese units of the ANC

Endman
May 18, 2010

That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even anime may die


British establishment historians are all the loving same I swear to god

Dr. Jerrold Coe
Feb 6, 2021

Is it me?
reading about US biowarfare in Korea and how lazy you can be running defense for empire: https://jeff-kaye.medium.com/secret-plan-revealed-cia-told-to-destroy-those-supporting-communist-germ-warfare-myth-f466dfb071be

quote:

For instance, Leitenberg claims that in March 1953, the Soviet leadership discovered the truth about China and North Korea’s attempt to falsify two sites of biological weapons attack, supposedly achieved with the connivance of Soviet officials then assigned in North Korea. As a result, by April 1953, the Soviets had pulled back from accusations of U.S. use of biological agents. China and North Korea, too, were said to have ended their propaganda about U.S. germ warfare about the same time.

But the claims that the Soviets and China had ended their accusations of U.S. biowarfare by early 1953 are easily falsified by reference to newspaper accounts of Soviet and Chinese claims of U.S. use of biological weapons that continued well into 1953 and even beyond.

you know people who want to believe you will never check if you're lying to them, and even those who don't trust you probably won't think that you'd lie so blatantly about something so easily disproved.

Dr. Jerrold Coe
Feb 6, 2021

Is it me?
I feel pretty smart for clocking Leitenberg on one of his other misdirections though, where he said that the plague strains used in Korea were of local extraction and therefore couldn't be US sourced. He wants you to picture hypothetical American scientists cooking up germs in a lab over here, but Japan's Unit 731 used locally cultivated strains in their work during WWII in Manchuria and we got their research afterwards - we were either using the exact same samples they'd cultivated or we simply recreated their research. This is also proof to me that Leitenberg knows he's lying to protect empire because his claim superficially makes sense but is untenable in the specifics which he should most definitely know. He's withholding information to deceive the plebs.

Perry Mason Jar
Feb 24, 2006

"Della? Take a lid"
https://twitter.com/fearthe_void/status/1611876784101900288

lol wonder what it could be

multistability
Feb 15, 2014
Shutter Island: is Marty basically just showing us all how MK-Ultra works in practice, or what? Every review I've read so far basically just assumes that "Laeddis" (this is not a real surname, cmon) is insane, and the whole thing is an elaborate show put on for his benefit, but uhhhhh

Shear Modulus
Jun 9, 2010




great soundtrack for the vid

borgnar
Dec 30, 2018

StashAugustine posted:

can't believe we have to cancel Roland the headless Thompson gunner

but consider that the CIA decided they wanted roland dead, and that he spent his undeath murdering other mercenaries. sounds like an okay guy to me

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

Semper Shitpost Ubique

borgnar posted:

but consider that the CIA decided they wanted roland dead, and that he spent his undeath murdering other mercenaries. sounds like an okay guy to me

These Mickey Mouse Dickheads posted:


Georgiou/ ‘Callan’ was probably hoping to emulate the exploits of the Congo mercenaries of the 1960s. In the event, he and his men were to have no effect on the outcome of the war in Angola, with any minor achievements being overshadowed by one infamous event. In the Congo, there had been isolated incidents in which individual mercenaries had murdered others, but on nothing like the scale of what would take place in Angola.

At the end of January 1976, 96 recruits arrived in Kinshasa. Many had little or no military experience, and were noticeably less motivated than the original contingent. During their first parade some voiced misgivings; 23 opted out or were rejected by Callan as unsuitable. Under the supervision of two newly- appointed NCOs, they were relegated to fatigue duties at Maquela. During their first night there, an approaching vehicle with Chris Dempster and three other mercenaries aboard was misidentified by the panicky ‘non-combatants’. They opened fire, albeit without causing casualties. All 25 of them then commandeered vehicles and headed for the Zairean border. They were stopped at Cuimba, where Terry Wilson (ex-Rhodesian SAS) had been put in charge of an FNLA detachment. The vehicles were re-routed, soon arriving at Callan’s location on the São Salvador road where, having been advised by radio that Maquela had ‘fallen’, he had ordered his men to prepare defensive positions.

It was not long before the situation was clarified. On hearing how Dempster and his three colleagues had been mistakenly ambushed, Callan demanded to know who had fired first. When one man stepped forward, Callan shot him dead on the spot. At this, some of the other reluctant mercenaries changed their minds and offered to continue soldiering; others, less fortunate, were ordered to undress and climb on to a truck. In a valley a short distance away they were gathered in front of half-a-dozen mercenaries under RSM Copeland. Copeland opened fire, followed by the rest of the execution squad. When it was over, at least 11 men were dead.

Not long afterwards, Callan was wounded and taken prisoner. He was succeeded as FNLA field commander by Peter McAleese, who ordered an investigation into the killing of the non-combatants. As a result of its findings, Copeland was sentenced to death and shot.

Koirhor
Jan 14, 2008

by Fluffdaddy
god drat cspan uncut has been great

DesertIslandHermit
Oct 7, 2019

It's beautiful. And it's for the god of...of...arts and crafts. I think that's what he said.

It wouldn't surprise me if McCarthy has dirt on everyone in his party. When Madison Cawthorn brought up being invited to orgies and claiming to have seen people snort coke, suddenly sex tapes rolled out.

maxwellhill
Jan 5, 2022
Tweet's gone

Second Hand Meat Mouth
Sep 12, 2001

maxwellhill posted:

Tweet's gone

was it this video

https://twitter.com/JaneotN/status/1611842345992863746

BasicLich
Oct 22, 2020

A very smart little mouse!
any word on who that is yet?

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Shear Modulus
Jun 9, 2010




yeah, it was a tweet quoting it speculating what was said, what kind of threat it was

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