Convicted Felon Donald Trump Legal Troubles: Trump Wins Unanimous Vote

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ardiem: Apr 26, 2022

It looks like the January 6th Committee's site has been taken down? https://january6th.house.gov/

[edit] never mind, it's been temporarily archived here https://january6th-benniethompson.house.gov/

# ? Jan 8, 2023 03:24

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# ? Jun 6, 2024 20:30

BiggerBoat: Sep 26, 2007; Don't you tell me my business again.

Figured I'd post this in here

https://www.vice.com/en/article/88qjyz/jan-6-comic-book-capitol-riot

A Jan. 6 Comic Book Asks the Terrifying Question: What if the Coup Had Worked?
�1/6� imagines the dystopian MAGA future that almost was.

It�s a speculative telling of the January 6 insurrection and coup attempt in an oppressive and authoritarian world where the mob, and Donald Trump, succeeded.

# ? Jan 8, 2023 14:05

Bar Ran Dun: Jan 22, 2006

Brazil�s worth looking at looks like this poo poo is getting exported.

# ? Jan 9, 2023 00:24

Leon Sumbitches: Mar 27, 2010; Dr. Leon Adoso Sumbitches (prounounced soom-'beh-cheh) (born January 21, 1935) is heir to the legendary Adoso family oil fortune.

American soft power has taken on a disturbing dimension over the past decade. Anti-vaxx, anti-democratic, authoritarian tendencies combined with consumer grade toxicity. Everyone should watch Bad Luck Bangin to see it play out in Romania.

# ? Jan 9, 2023 00:40

Murgos: Oct 21, 2010

Bar Ran Dun posted:

Brazil�s worth looking at looks like this poo poo is getting exported.

Bannon is Bolsanaros advisor. So, yeah, just working the plan on a trial run.

# ? Jan 9, 2023 04:43

V-Men: Aug 15, 2001; Don't it make your dick bust concrete to be in the same room with two noble, selfless public servants.

Bar Ran Dun posted:

Brazil�s worth looking at looks like this poo poo is getting exported.

I mean, in terms of unsuccessful ones, Germany had the Reichsb�rger plot from Decembverthat also had its influences from QAnon.

# ? Jan 9, 2023 10:21

OgNar: Oct 26, 2002; They tapdance not, neither do they fart

It is now up to the DA to present the information gathered to a grand jury later this month for indictment.

https://twitter.com/TamarHallerman/status/1612461816499605504

# ? Jan 9, 2023 19:33

Automata 10 Pack: Jun 21, 2007; Ten games published by Automata, on one cassette

Bar Ran Dun posted:

Brazil�s worth looking at looks like this poo poo is getting exported.

It's funny that the coup was somehow even more pathetic than 1/6th yet Lula's response to it was vastly superior's than the Biden Administration's.

Youth Decay posted:

This won't actually hurt anything right?
https://twitter.com/sarahdwire/status/1610303464550305792

Don't worry, this isn't going to change the outcome (lol.)

Automata 10 Pack fucked around with this message at 01:53 on Jan 10, 2023

# ? Jan 10, 2023 01:48

-Blackadder-: Jan 2, 2007; Game....Blouses.

Recently came across this Jan 6 experience article that profiles a Jan 6'er.

It does a good job of highlighting the larger problems that need to be dealt with.

https://twitter.com/MajorCBS/status/1611745879463018497

# ? Jan 10, 2023 03:03

Murgos: Oct 21, 2010

OgNar posted:

It is now up to the DA to present the information gathered to a grand jury later this month for indictment.

https://twitter.com/TamarHallerman/status/1612461816499605504

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Murgos fucked around with this message at 03:27 on Jan 10, 2023

# ? Jan 10, 2023 03:14

Dapper_Swindler: Feb 14, 2012; Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

-Blackadder- posted:

Recently came across this Jan 6 experience article that profiles a Jan 6'er.

It does a good job of highlighting the larger problems that need to be dealt with.

https://twitter.com/MajorCBS/status/1611745879463018497

like at best, they are well off suburban chuds who fell hard into main character syndrom and bought into obvious bullshit because their lives are boring. that channel 5 documentry talks about it with the Qanon family who are well off and 2 miles from the projects and people actually struggling to survive. the guy gets some mercy and still doesnt understand what he did was wrong,

# ? Jan 10, 2023 03:25

bird food bathtub: Aug 9, 2003; College Slice

They already got mercy. They're getting mercy every day they continue to be alive. If they had been a black man with their hands in the air begging not to be shot they'd find out what a lack of mercy in America is.

# ? Jan 10, 2023 03:43

Dapper_Swindler: Feb 14, 2012; Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

bird food bathtub posted:

They already got mercy. They're getting mercy every day they continue to be alive. If they had been a black man with their hands in the air begging not to be shot they'd find out what a lack of mercy in America is.

oh i dont disgaree. i loving hate these assholes. these arnt poor uneducated folks from the boonies or whatever some folks still try to play them off as. these are all well off dickheads who bought into very obvious lies and bullshit because they couldnt admit the dude they voted for was a moron conman and that their kids didnt talk to them for a reason. gently caress em, they had every chance but they blew their vacation time or whatever on playing dress up for a con man and then got shocked when they held the bag.

# ? Jan 10, 2023 05:17

-Blackadder-: Jan 2, 2007; Game....Blouses.

Yeah, to be clear the central question that pushes the story is whether or not he deserves mercy but what's much more interesting is how well the article get's inside his head and charts his path, and how that serves to highlight the larger problems.

Specifically this...

Dapper_Swindler posted:

like at best, they are well off suburban chuds who fell hard into main character syndrom and bought into obvious bullshit because their lives are boring. that channel 5 documentry talks about it with the Qanon family who are well off and 2 miles from the projects and people actually struggling to survive. the guy gets some mercy and still doesnt understand what he did was wrong,

...nails it. If the issue were just, as was assumed in the past, people being poor, uneducated yokels, that's a narrow scope; a small target, and easier to address. But when upper middle class college degree holders can be radicalized by the talk radio version of Darkseid's Anti-Life Equation, that's a much broader problem.

I thought these portions here were telling:

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The rioters, who had traveled to Washington from red, blue and purple states, were a cross-section of White America, with few people of color. Some had been scarred by years of addiction, poverty, mental illness and abuse. But others, such as Peart, led relatively uneventful and prosperous lives. Most were heavy consumers of right-wing media, according to court documents. Peart favored talk radio hosts and podcasters such as Ben Shapiro, Dan Bongino and Joe Rogan.

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�I felt like we were at a battle, standing up for our country,� Peart said. He draped a Trump flag over his shoulders and along with the crowd called for members of Congress to show themselves. �Where�s Mitt Romney?� he yelled.

A police officer told him to exit the building. �I don�t want to leave,� Peart replied. A part of him still believed that the embattled officers saw him and his fellow rioters as defenders of America�s democracy. A second officer approached. �You need to go,� he said, and escorted Peart to the door. The FBI estimated that he was in the building for about 30 minutes.

Standing in front of the besieged Capitol, Peart snapped a selfie and posted it to Facebook. His phone had just enough battery charge to call his wife, Rachel, in Utah. �I just went inside the Capitol!� he exulted.

She had been watching the mayhem unfold on her computer and was furious that he had put his life and his family�s well-being at risk.

�Stop talking!� his wife recalled telling him. �If you post anything, I will divorce you!�

In the moment, his wife�s anger and concern didn�t register. �She just doesn�t get it,� Peart recalled thinking as he took in the chaotic and, to his mind, thrilling scene. �She�s not here.�

At his hotel, Peart watched as news anchors and prominent Republican politicians condemned those inside the Capitol. His pride quickly gave way to a feeling of abandonment. �It Went Wrong! It went terribly wrong!� he wrote in a note that he saved on his phone. �BUT the cause, the purpose, the reason for the Protest was NOBLE! The people involved are GOOD � PEOPLE you would be PROUD to stand with!!!�

Peart flew home Jan. 7. In Utah, he and his wife waited anxiously for the FBI to show up and arrest him. After about a week, he decided to turn himself in. His first call was to John Tatum, the criminal defense attorney who in 2013 had represented Jung, the drunk driver who had killed his sister, Krista.

�I want to be held accountable,� Peart told the lawyer. Mostly, he wanted a chance to tell his side of the story.

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For Peart, the aftermath of the riot has been more complex. He felt bad that his actions caused some inside the Capitol to fear for their lives, and he regretted the physical damage to the building. But he hadn�t committed any violence or vandalism himself, he reasoned. And he continued to believe his cause was just, his motives pure � a view widely shared in his mostly rural Washington County, which Trump won with 74 percent of the vote.

In some parts of the country, Jan. 6 rioters came home to condemnation. They were fired from their jobs or ostracized by friends and family. At least three Jan. 6 defendants have died by suicide. Peart had the opposite experience. At church, in town and in business meetings people treated him like a hero, praising him for standing up for his country and often telling him that they wished they could have been in Washington that day. A friend from the family�s church handed him a $5,000 check to help with the costs of his defense. Peart returned it, saying that he was moved by the offer but didn�t need the help.

�More business was drawn to him for being a patriot, or whatever you call it,� recalled his wife, Rachel.

The public praise and looming possibility of prison throughout 2021 shaped Peart�s view of himself as a rebel against an overreaching government. He grew a beard and wore T-shirts that he believed matched his angrier, more confrontational persona. One favorite included a quote adapted from a George Washington address and warned, �If the freedom of speech is taken away, then dumb and silent we may be led, like sheep to the slaughter.�

He and Rachel attended a far-right conference in Salt Lake City in October 2021 that featured speakers such as retired Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn, Trump�s former national security adviser, and promised in promotional material to teach them how to �fight against the socialist, communist, Marxist ideologies that now permeate government, schools and the mainstream media.�

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Peart had sworn off national politics in the seven months since his sentencing, put away his patriot-themed T-shirts and stopped listening to right-wing radio and podcasts. Still he couldn�t shake the feeling that dark forces were eating away at America�s democracy and that it was his responsibility as a good citizen to sound the alarm. He ran for school board on a platform of opposing federal intervention in schools, losing to a six-year incumbent. He also began speaking out at local government meetings like the one in Washington County.

Peart had known the commission chairman since they were neighbors two decades earlier and their families sometimes got together for game nights. Lately, though, he worried that his friend, like so many of the country�s elected officials, was letting the power of his office go to his head.

Each of the speakers during the public comment period were allotted two minutes. Peart had learned that if he spoke extemporaneously, he would forget some of what he wanted to say. So on this evening he had written down his remarks.

�We have a major problem right now with extreme division, hate and mistrust in our country, state, county and even our local cities and towns,� Peart began.

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A week later Peart visited an 88-year-old client to run through some paperwork left over from the recent sale of her home. Monta Ballard was one of a relatively small number of Democrats in the area and one of only a few locals who had pressed Peart to explain his conduct at the Capitol.

The two had been looking over a bathroom in the house that Peart was helping her to sell. Ballard, who has the blunt manner of a person used to speaking her mind, recalled that her heart was pounding. She was nervous that Peart might react angrily to her questions about his role in the riot. But she felt like she couldn�t continue to do business with someone she didn�t trust. �What in the world were you doing there?� she had asked him. Peart had explained that he was worried about election fraud.

Now Ballard wanted to know whether he had kept his promise from their earlier meeting to do more research on the subject.

�I still don�t trust our voting system. I think there�s funny business,� Peart told her. �I could be wrong.�

�You said you�d check on it,� she chided, and reminded him that Trump and his allies had filed and lost more than 60 lawsuits related to the 2020 vote.

�I haven�t studied the cases,� Peart apologized.

Before Peart left, she urged him to seek out sources beyond Fox News and his social media feed. But Peart was skeptical it would make much difference. �I don�t know how to find a source that isn�t an echo chamber,� he told her.

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Later that evening, Peart was attending an auction and potluck dinner for his son Tad�s wrestling team when a friend approached and thanked him for his comments at the county commission meeting.

�I�ve got an article I want to share with you,� he said.

Peart read it when he got home. It began with a prophecy sometimes attributed to Joseph Smith, founder of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints: �The Constitution is hanging by a thread.� Then it continued with some commentary about socialist-Marxist politicians and the end of America. �Our country is bankrupt digging itself further into the bondage of indebtedness,� Peart read. �And now the very free-enterprise system that has brought us the potential to earn our way out of the mess is being dismantled. Soon the war will begin.�

The dark prophecy seemed at odds with the reality of Peart�s everyday life in southern Utah. He lived atop a hill, in a five-bedroom home with views of snow-covered mountains and the Hurricane Valley. He had healthy children and a wife with a boisterous laugh who loved him. �We�re in a pretty good place. I�m certainly not struggling,� he said to himself. �So why do I have this worry?�

The guy goes from being:

Radicalized by Rightwing talk radio
Catching a whiff of reality when he's watching the MSM report on Jan 6 in his hotel lounge and eventually turning himself in.
Returning home and having the big lie reinforced again by people in his own community and going full MAGA.
After sentencing, he cuts himself off from Rightwing talk radio and the more extreme MAGA elements completely.
A client pushes him to seek media sources outside the RWM, and he realizes he doesn't know how to find non-echochambers.
Finally, after someone else shares a conspiracy theory link with him, he fights off reinfection using observation and logical reasoning.

It's like a tug-of-war between reality vs. The Mirror Universe that's been created by the RWM ecosystem.

-Blackadder- fucked around with this message at 08:56 on Jan 10, 2023

# ? Jan 10, 2023 08:40

Judge Schnoopy: Nov 2, 2005; dont even TRY it, pal

"I don't know how to find a source that isn't an echo chamber" sums up a lot of this bullshit. They're told over and over again that non-echo chambers are part of the conspiracy and to never trust them.

The brainwashing is next level and extremely effective.

# ? Jan 10, 2023 11:19

Failed Imagineer: Sep 22, 2018

loving lol at growing a beard and buying angry tshirts because you're a Soldier of Trump now. loving hell

# ? Jan 10, 2023 12:47

britishbornandbread: Jul 8, 2000; You'll stumble in my footsteps

That article is interesting but also infuriating. These loving weirdos will howl from balconies about voter fraud and the election being stolen and I LITERALLY have never seen a single piece of evidence to back this up, including anything shown by the courts to be false. They simply cannot comprehend the sheer hatred a lot of their fellow Americans have for their tanned wet boy, and now every election moving forward is at the mercy of crazed fanatics contesting every result simply because they do not like the outcome.

# ? Jan 10, 2023 13:17

Automata 10 Pack: Jun 21, 2007; Ten games published by Automata, on one cassette

Gen Xers are really dumb. a whole generation of anti-intellectual, entitled nihilists.

Automata 10 Pack fucked around with this message at 14:11 on Jan 10, 2023

# ? Jan 10, 2023 14:09

Ynglaur: Oct 9, 2013; The Malta Conference, anyone?

The level of intellectual laziness is just astounding. Laziness is too weak a word. It's intellectual sloth.

# ? Jan 10, 2023 14:25

BiggerBoat: Sep 26, 2007; Don't you tell me my business again.

britishbornandbread posted:

That article is interesting but also infuriating. These loving weirdos will howl from balconies about voter fraud and the election being stolen and I LITERALLY have never seen a single piece of evidence to back this up, including anything shown by the courts to be false. They simply cannot comprehend the sheer hatred a lot of their fellow Americans have for their tanned wet boy, and now every election moving forward is at the mercy of crazed fanatics contesting every result simply because they do not like the outcome.

Automata 10 Pack posted:

Gen Xers are really dumb. a whole generation of anti-intellectual, entitled nihilists.

They've gone from warning people not to believe anything they read on the internet and calling Snopes a far left liberal website to believing everything they read on the internet and culling all their information from Facebook and FW>FW>FW> emails

# ? Jan 10, 2023 14:26

Barrel Cactaur: Oct 6, 2021

Tech and media illiterate but now using both heavily.

# ? Jan 10, 2023 14:50

PainterofCrap: Oct 17, 2002; hey bebe

Judge Schnoopy posted:

"I don't know how to find a source that isn't an echo chamber" sums up a lot of this bullshit. They're told over and over again that non-echo chambers are part of the conspiracy and to never trust them.

The brainwashing is next level and extremely effective.

He got to DC by living in an echo chamber.

It's frustrating.

My neighbor had a friend.

Twenty years ago this friend was a union mason at the bottom of the totem pole, scraping by on leavings from more senior union guys, and collecting unemployment for the winter. He started a concrete business, laying sidewalks, patios and driveways, and it took off. He is literally a self-made man and now doing very well financially. Coincident with that rise came TRump, Fox, and his purchase of tons of guns.

He has Fox on at home at all times and he'd come over to my neighbor's bar and go off with this TRump BS. After a couple hours of talking to him about the reality-based world, appealing to his innate sense of logic & reasoning, he'd start to come round.

Then he'd go home & be bathed in Fox all night. Lather, rinse, repeat. We finally gave up on him.

# ? Jan 10, 2023 15:59

Automata 10 Pack: Jun 21, 2007; Ten games published by Automata, on one cassette

Ynglaur posted:

The level of intellectual laziness is just astounding. Laziness is too weak a word. It's intellectual sloth.

It's not just laziness. It's hostility towards intellectualism. The Gen X culture was all about "everything is bullshit, and believing any of it makes you bullshit." They hated Republicans because they represented the principled censorious authority, and then a celebrity they grew up watching walked into a RNC Debate, pointed at the those Republicans and said "everything here is bullshit, and believing any of it makes you bullshit."

We lost a whole generation to the right because they thought Donald Trump was cool and opted for the boomer brainwashing machine so they could watch more Trump.

Automata 10 Pack fucked around with this message at 17:14 on Jan 10, 2023

# ? Jan 10, 2023 16:03

Keyser_Soze: May 5, 2009; Pillbug

Why does everyone here always ignore the MegaChurch Fundie aspect?

# ? Jan 10, 2023 16:36

pthighs: Jun 21, 2013; Pillbug

Failed Imagineer posted:

loving lol at growing a beard and buying angry tshirts because you're a Soldier of Trump now. loving hell

This is probably the most exciting thing that's ever happened to him. Geezers need excitement.

# ? Jan 10, 2023 17:33

AvesPKS: Sep 26, 2004; I don't dance unless I'm totally wasted.

Automata 10 Pack posted:

Gen Xers are really dumb. a whole generation of anti-intellectual, entitled nihilists.

When someone tells you they think there's an underground tunnel connecting the Vatican and "Jerusalem" (I've never heard it placed any more specifically than that), and the tunnel is filled with gold and treasure, and that 'someone' will soon be using the treasure to pay all Americans an income of a million dollars a month, and then six months later when you ask that someone to think critically about why that didn't happen, and that person is completely unable to self reflect on the topic, well, what to you do? Give up?

When someone is absolutely convinced that most major politicians have been replaced by CGI and body doubles and cite the Mission Impossible 2 movie as to how that is possible, what do you do?

# ? Jan 10, 2023 17:34

Dapper_Swindler: Feb 14, 2012; Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

BiggerBoat posted:

They've gone from warning people not to believe anything they read on the internet and calling Snopes a far left liberal website to believing everything they read on the internet and culling all their information from Facebook and FW>FW>FW> emails

its because they want the 80s/90s/early 2000s to be eternal because thats when their lives peaked. its like my uncle who talks about how he a big crtical thinker but believes every insane qanon/trump thing that comes down the pipeline to the point that even my dad is sick of it and he hates politics.

# ? Jan 10, 2023 17:43

Automata 10 Pack: Jun 21, 2007; Ten games published by Automata, on one cassette

AvesPKS posted:

When someone tells you they think there's an underground tunnel connecting the Vatican and "Jerusalem" (I've never heard it placed any more specifically than that), and the tunnel is filled with gold and treasure, and that 'someone' will soon be using the treasure to pay all Americans an income of a million dollars a month, and then six months later when you ask that someone to think critically about why that didn't happen, and that person is completely unable to self reflect on the topic, well, what to you do? Give up?

When someone is absolutely convinced that most major politicians have been replaced by CGI and body doubles and cite the Mission Impossible 2 movie as to how that is possible, what do you do?

Oh yeah, no. We lost them. They are gone. Make peace with that.

# ? Jan 10, 2023 17:43

Mooseontheloose: May 13, 2003

The Boston Globe had a similar profile for a OBGYN doctor who was arrested recently: https://www.bostonglobe.com/2023/01...-officer-jan-6/

# ? Jan 10, 2023 17:43

Dapper_Swindler: Feb 14, 2012; Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

Automata 10 Pack posted:

Oh yeah, no. We lost them. They are gone. Make peace with that.

oh we lost gen x years ago, trump was just the capstone moment.

# ? Jan 10, 2023 17:46

Mechanical Ape: Aug 7, 2007; But yes, occasionally I am known to smash.

Automata 10 Pack posted:

It's not just laziness. It's hostility towards intellectualism. The Gen X culture was all about "everything is bullshit, and believing any of it makes you bullshit." They hated Republicans because they represented the principled censorious authority, and then a celebrity they grew up watching walked into a RNC Debate, pointed at the those Republicans and said "everything here is bullshit, and believing any of it makes you bullshit."

We lost a whole generation to the right because they thought Donald Trump was cool and opted for the boomer brainwashing machine so they could watch more Trump.

Gen X (my generation) was the last to grow up with clear memories of the Cold War and the Reagan era, and all the propaganda of that era is still soaked in to one degree or another. Speaking for myself and my own ideological hangovers, it took a long time for "socialism" to stop being a dirty word, one to associate with Rambo villains and standing in line in the snow for black market blue jeans. Many of my old classmates have gotten over this -- a lot of my high school friends are progressives -- but others haven't at all, they're basically Boomer Lite.

Then too, we X'ers also had the good fortune to secure education, careers, families and houses before the economy crashed. The same system that benefited the boomers benefited us. We could afford to be cynical because after the threat of WW3 petered out, we knew the traditional college-job-home ownership pipeline would be waiting for us, secure and indestructible as the earth itself.

# ? Jan 10, 2023 17:57

Dick Trauma: Nov 30, 2007; God damn it, you've got to be kind.

Mechanical Ape posted:

Then too, we X'ers also had the good fortune to secure education, careers, families and houses before the economy crashed.

I graduated from college into a terrible economy that featured a "jobless recovery" and I never started a career or a family and will never own a house. "Generations" are nonsense blanket terms and I wish people would stop leaning on them to try and score easy points on the internet.

The idea that the entire X generation is "lost" is laughable but hey if it makes it easier for you decide who to hate I guess I can't stop you.

# ? Jan 10, 2023 18:41

Killer robot: Sep 6, 2010; I was having the most wonderful dream. I think you were in it!; Pillbug

It seems like a close relative of the good old "the zoomers are totally lost to fascism because youtube" thing, where the fact of some radicals existing defines everyone regardless of how many there are.

Everything has always pointed to Gen X being a transitional generation where its older members are similar to younger boomers and its younger are similar to older millennials. Every generation is like that, because "generations" aren't objectively real and are just a shorthand we use to lump age cohorts based on arbitrary cutoffs.

It shouldn't be really surprising that a disproportionate number of the wilder fascists are younger ones even where the absolute numbers are lower, since boomers are old and tired at this point and not many of them were gonna literally climb walls attacking the Capitol.

# ? Jan 10, 2023 18:55

Captain_Maclaine: Sep 30, 2001; Every moment that I'm alive, I pray for death!

Killer robot posted:

It seems like a close relative of the good old "the zoomers are totally lost to fascism because youtube" thing, where the fact of some radicals existing defines everyone regardless of how many there are.

Everything has always pointed to Gen X being a transitional generation where its older members are similar to younger boomers and its younger are similar to older millennials. Every generation is like that, because "generations" aren't objectively real and are just a shorthand we use to lump age cohorts based on arbitrary cutoffs.

It shouldn't be really surprising that a disproportionate number of the wilder fascists are younger ones even where the absolute numbers are lower, since boomers are old and tired at this point and not many of them were gonna literally climb walls attacking the Capitol.

This. The only thing that is universal about Gen X is we all bought Nevermind.

Mechanical Ape posted:

Gen X (my generation) was the last to grow up with clear memories of the Cold War and the Reagan era, and all the propaganda of that era is still soaked in to one degree or another. Speaking for myself and my own ideological hangovers, it took a long time for "socialism" to stop being a dirty word, one to associate with Rambo villains and standing in line in the snow for black market blue jeans. Many of my old classmates have gotten over this -- a lot of my high school friends are progressives -- but others haven't at all, they're basically Boomer Lite.

I can report a similar experience. It took a long, long time before I could stop reflexively associating "socialism" with evil, oppression, and failure, because of all the nonsense they force-fed us in school in the 80s.

# ? Jan 10, 2023 19:00

Keyser_Soze: May 5, 2009; Pillbug

Gen X also fought Reagan Youth skinheads at punk shows. :colbert:

# ? Jan 10, 2023 19:02

Mechanical Ape: Aug 7, 2007; But yes, occasionally I am known to smash.

Well I mean yeah, generational stereotypes are mostly meaningless and to the extent those identities apply to anyone, it's mainly members of the white middle class. Gen X were flannel-wearing cynics to about the same degree that boomers were tie-dyed hippies: not much. And even the flannel demographic didn't always get that hoped-for economic security. I graduated with a guy who went on to a career in print media, a career which had a pretty brief expiration date, and had a real hard time re-establishing himself after that.

I do, however, still believe (and this is purely anecdotal) that people my age and older have roots in a Cold War age, followed by an end-of-history age, which puts -- I guess I would say speed bumps? -- on our tendency to look leftward for possibilities. And that younger Americans are reaching political awareness with fewer such speedbumps. By no means would I call Gen X "lost" to conservatism, but I do think that normalizing progressive/left ideas, dispelling that stigma, will do a whole lot of good in helping them think in that framework, in showing that there even is a different framework they can think in.

As for the ones who went full Trumper and stormed the Capitol, I got no idea.

Mechanical Ape fucked around with this message at 19:24 on Jan 10, 2023

# ? Jan 10, 2023 19:21