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Ibblebibble posted:I'm really gonna miss our 8 GCD magic phase for extended movement. I mean what pushed you out of range for 5 GCDs anyway? Need more uptime strats if that's not covered by 4. Axel Serenity posted:I wanna know where people are getting these magical tanks that actually know what they're doing instead of players that press Rampart three times the whole dungeon and never on their wall pulls Day of weekly reset dungeon runs. You run into the lifers with Ultimate glams and savage gear and you get the final boss of Troia down to 20% before his invuln and add phase and a DRK that knows exactly when to TBN so I can just keep DPSing outside of the occasional Kerachole, and then you weep because such beauty is allowed to prosper in this world. ZenMasterBullshit fucked around with this message at 04:59 on Jan 10, 2023 |
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Ibblebibble posted:I'm really gonna miss our 8 GCD magic phase for extended movement. I'm way more excited about being able to cast a couple of almost-entirely-free-floating holy spirits during filler. That's way more flexible, and depending on how you're doing the burst phase you still get 5+ spells in a row if you want.
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Antivehicular posted:Also, is all your DPS completely bulletproof here? Despite rumors otherwise, you're allowed to heal the DPS DPS tend to do pretty okay all things considered, actually. I'll usually have to throw out Essential Dignity a couple times, but I'll rarely need to go beyond Essential Dignity. Which you can use as indication that yes, I already main AST. I genuinely think AST is the best-designed healer because it has something else to do without needing that oh-so-demanded 'complex DPS rotation' (which wouldn't be a good idea for healers), but let's not pretend that the cards are so complex as to solve the problem. Added this to the last post in an edit, but then like a dozen posts turned up while I was, so gently caress it, it gets a new post.
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:It's just dungeon-only healers trust me. I'm tired of seeing WARs die in Savage reclears. Yeah, that's the issue. They don't balance around dungeons, and it's only so good in dungeons. If you nerfed it there you'd need to figure out what to do in the content where balance actually matters. Axel Serenity posted:I wanna know where people are getting these magical tanks that actually know what they're doing instead of players that press Rampart three times the whole dungeon and never on their wall pulls I once had a guy who said he doesn't bother with Raw Intuition (this was a lower level dungeon) because "it's only 6 seconds".
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Also even if the tanks had less self sustain, you still wouldn't be healing more often? Like you still would be trying to entirely minimize GCDs spent healing and relying entirely on oGCDs, which you already do even with a good tank since often your passive mit (Damage taken down/regens/etc) are oGCDs you're pushing to help them get through with only their own self sustain. There's still just not enough damage in dungeons to require that kind of focused healing if you have a good tank. They will never make dungeons with that kind of damage because they are the entry level most basic content that is required for the story. Even if they did it would change anything because the design of healers in this game, even in high end content like Savage, is to not press your GCD heals anyway and learn fights and get by as much as possible with the passive heals and well times oGCDs mitigations and heals. You'd still just want to be doing what you're already doing with the dreaded INfinite HP WAR you're worried about: Pressing The Damage Buttons As Much As Possible. None of this is caused by the WAR specifically and the other tanks are just as capable of doing this. The last time you brought this up you posted a video of a WAR soloing a normal difficulty raid in over and hour and then when pressed on it being a bad showcase of intended balance someone pointed out a PLD has already done the same thing. This isn't WAR specific and it's not over powered. ZenMasterBullshit fucked around with this message at 05:07 on Jan 10, 2023 |
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Axel Serenity posted:I wanna know where people are getting these magical tanks that actually know what they're doing instead of players that press Rampart three times the whole dungeon and never on their wall pulls
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:I mean what pushed you out of range for 5 GCDs anyway? Need more uptime strats if that's not covered by 4. Nothing I just find it really funny being able to be out in Narnia if I wanted to for a full mechanic.
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Axel Serenity posted:I wanna know where people are getting these magical tanks that actually know what they're doing instead of players that press Rampart three times the whole dungeon and never on their wall pulls I see one when I look in the mirror 
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Hogama posted:I see them on wall pulls! At the very end of them when there's like 2 enemies left up with less than half health and the duration expires before we hit the next pack/boss. This is me sometimes, regrettably. I just reflexively think "poo poo, mit dropped, time to re-buff" and hit the button before my brain processes that there's one dude left at 30%
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Antivehicular posted:This is me sometimes, regrettably. I just reflexively think "poo poo, mit dropped, time to re-buff" and hit the button before my brain processes that there's one dude left at 30%  I also frequently commit the cardinal DRK sin of forgetting to hit TBN on cooldown during pulls, but that's neither here nor there. Cough.
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i can never get my tbns properly aligned with boss autos to pop them 
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I'm still in the "oh, right, I have mitigation" stage of learning tank. I do at least keep the boss facing away from the rest of the team. One of my last runs, the healer rescued me into another pack, then everyone just started charging ahead of me. I appreciate the confidence, but it'd serve y'all right if I decided to go open a treasure chest now.
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I don't imagine that I'm very good at being a gladiator yet, but recently a raid member kept smack talking that I wasn't holding aggro for the whole pack (forgive me, I don't know all the lingo yet) but my bother in cryst could you please stop attacking mobs nobody is attacking yet? Like I've got 5 guys I'm holding, and 3 of us are focusing down one at a time and he keeps attacking a new guy on his own and blaming me when they attack back. Maybe it's my fault, I don't know what I'm doing tbh, but every party where there isn't a guy going rogue skipping the line and bringing in new adds mid combat I've held aggro just fine. But after every fight he's trying to catsplain how aggro works and telling me I'm using the wrong skills. It worked fine in the last 3 runs champ. This is why I don't like looking at the chat box.
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I'm just glad Paladin wasn't slaved to the two minute timer. Everything is still 60 seconds
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Kharmakazy posted:I don't imagine that I'm very good at being a gladiator yet, but recently a raid member kept smack talking that I wasn't holding aggro for the whole pack (forgive me, I don't know all the lingo yet) but my bother in cryst could you please stop attacking mobs nobody is attacking yet? Like I've got 5 guys I'm holding, and 3 of us are focusing down one at a time and he keeps attacking a new guy on his own and blaming me when they attack back. As long as you're spamming your AOE skill while tank stance is on and you're using your mitigations on packs of mobs you're tanking dungeons right.
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Kharmakazy posted:I don't imagine that I'm very good at being a gladiator yet, but recently a raid member kept smack talking that I wasn't holding aggro for the whole pack (forgive me, I don't know all the lingo yet) but my bother in cryst could you please stop attacking mobs nobody is attacking yet? Like I've got 5 guys I'm holding, and 3 of us are focusing down one at a time and he keeps attacking a new guy on his own and blaming me when they attack back. use your aoe
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Ibblebibble posted:As long as you're spamming your AOE skill while tank stance is on and you're using your mitigations on packs of mobs you're tanking dungeons right. I am, but it's not like the only skill I'm using, I'm doing the combo chain so like every 4th or 5th attack is AOE if there are multiple mobs in range, or stun if it works and there is just 1 enemy.
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the aoe doesn't chain with the single target, that's your problem doesn't matter if you have only one aoe button at your level, just keep hammering it in the middle of packs
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To further explain, if you're fighting three or more enemies, it's always more damage to use your AoE, plus it prevents anyone from stealing aggro from you. Other classes may not have any AoE at low levels and thus have to focus one mob at a time, but you do, and you should be using them.
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The AoE and single-target combos are separate and independent. Don't worry about single-target on packs, just hit your two AoE buttons
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hexwren posted:the aoe doesn't chain with the single target, that's your problem No. I'm not going to spam one attack over and over. Focus on one enemy at a time or deal with getting punched back. I'm not the one breaking aggro, he is. I might consider it reasonable once I get at least a second AoE.
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Kharmakazy posted:No. I'm not going to spam one attack over and over. Focus on one enemy at a time or deal with getting punched back. I'm not the one breaking aggro, he is. you're the bad tank
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Once upon a time, when I was new to FFXIV and nervous about doing my first dungeon after not playing an MMO for years, hex entrusted me with the following piece of wisdom: Just spin your sword in a circle. Today, I pass that onto you. Press that AoE.
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Oneiros posted:you're the bad tank But you're the one who's dead. If I want to press one button over and over I'll play cookie clicker. Deal with your own mistakes.
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This is a good bit.
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healers are generating agro on every enemy every heal they pump into you and the dps. ranged dps tend to have potent aoe options at relatively low levels and will rip agro from anything you aren't actively hitting. your job it to hold agro and take the hit. if you don't like primarily mashing one button for ten minutes at a time then i highly recommend you stop playing tank and probably healer, in dungeons at least. if you have a problem with the play style then take it up with s-e, not your fellow players.
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Kharmakazy posted:But you're the one who's dead. If I want to press one button over and over I'll play cookie clicker. Deal with your own mistakes. You are playing your job wrong.
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I recommend reading the Potencies on your abilities if you are having trouble with it. Let's assume you're level 30, so you have all three hits of your main combo but only a single AoE on the GCD. It might feel like you're doing more damage with the big single hits and using AoE for enmity, but you absolutely are not: Fast Blade - 200 potency Riot Blade - 280 potency Rage of Halone - 330 potency Total combo potency: 810 over 3 GCDs Total Eclipse - 100 potency per target. Even if you are only tanking 3 enemies at once you are doing 900 potency in the same amount of time that the full combo is doing 810 potency. These numbers get even more pronounced at level 40 when you get Prominence, which is a second weaponskill for your AoE (making it a 2-hit combo) for 170 potency per target, or 1,170 potency in 3 GCDs if you're fighting 3 enemies. Often times you're fighting way more than 3 enemies at once too, like 5-6 as you begin to pull multiple packs at once, and at that point the numbers are HUGELY stacked toward AoE abilities. But again, even at three targets and only mashing a single AoE ability over and over, it's still better.
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Kharmakazy posted:But you're the one who's dead. If I want to press one button over and over I'll play cookie clicker. Deal with your own mistakes.
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also if this is syq from the official forums them lmao
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Oh the person posted cringe while I was typing that. You hate to see it.
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FINAL FANTASY XIX: my bother in cryst,
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Oh my goodness it's the ghost of ARR launch era tanks that would mark a kill order on trash.
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Countblanc posted:I recommend reading the Potencies on your abilities if you are having trouble with it. Let's assume you're level 30, so you have all three hits of your main combo but only a single AoE on the GCD. It might feel like you're doing more damage with the big single hits and using AoE for enmity, but you absolutely are not: Those single-target numbers are with the potency boost you get at 84. The numbers for where OP is at are even lower, so the difference between them and AoE is even more stark.
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Kharmakazy posted:I am, but it's not like the only skill I'm using, I'm doing the combo chain so like every 4th or 5th attack is AOE if there are multiple mobs in range, or stun if it works and there is just 1 enemy. lmao
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Countblanc posted:I recommend reading the Potencies on your abilities if you are having trouble with it. Let's assume you're level 30, so you have all three hits of your main combo but only a single AoE on the GCD. It might feel like you're doing more damage with the big single hits and using AoE for enmity, but you absolutely are not: It's important to note (perhaps for readers rather than the poster in question) that the potencies Countblanc lists here are only correct for a Paladin with the "Melee Mastery" passive somewhere after level 80. The PLD single target 1-2-3 combo is even weaker relative to AoE spam on 3+ targets than it looks like it is from the numbers here. Edit: beaten to it
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Noper Q posted:Those single-target numbers are with the potency boost you get at 84. The numbers for where OP is at are even lower, so the difference between them and AoE is even more stark. ah gotcha, I just pulled the raw numbers off the job page. that makes sense.
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I'm just going to say it. You're wrong. Yes that guy shouldn't have run ahead but no you never use your single target rotation on packs of enemies. If you want to be senior bad tank that's fine as long as you recognize the fact that you're wrong and as soon as you party with two RNG DPS you're going to learn the error of your ways. edit: for beaten way past the point
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In all seriousness, if having a complex combat rotation with a lot of buttons is important to your having fun, you may just want to main DPS and not worry about healers or tanks. A good DPS player is worth their weight in gold and there's plenty to learn and practice.
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