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What is the most powerful flying bug? This poll is closed. |
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15 | 3.71% |
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115 | 28.47% |
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67 | 16.58% |
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94 | 23.27% |
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14 | 3.47% |
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87 | 21.53% |
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Majorian posted:I think this is a pretty dumb slapfight. I think we can all agree that the NYT has a lot of pro-Ukraine bias in its reporting on this war. All true.
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Majorian posted:I think this is a pretty dumb slapfight. I think we can all agree that the NYT has a lot of pro-Ukraine bias in its reporting on this war. I have it at 50% there is a reply to this that proves otherwise. e: You win some you lose some, much like Fort Vaux.
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Jan 10, 2023 06:04
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mlmp08 posted:That’s not what Ardennes said at all. His posts are right here in the thread. right, so your interpretation of ardennes' original post is that he claims that the NYT is exclusively printing stories proclaiming doom for russia i do not think that this is a reasonable interpretation, since no reasonable person reading westen media would hold this position - at the very least, the rational response to such a claim would be something like "is this your actual opinion?" rather than a rebuttal
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Jan 10, 2023 06:05
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V. Illych L. posted:no, this is not a reasonable take on the posts in question (i.e., the quoted posts). ardennes clearly claims that the NYT has a preponderance of stories telling its intendend audience that russia is doing very poorly and taking relatively huge losses, and sum seems to be to be saying that disagreeing with this is stupid, because the NYT is obviously pro-ukrainian and has a political agenda in its reporting. you responded by providing three counter-examples, which is a decent start, but it doesn't reply to the charge of a preponderance of coverage. one would need something like a statistical test to adequately address this kind of claim I would say at least in one of the quoted bloc that is also an element of bias. Just because for example, the Ukrainians may have difficulty taking back all of their territory, doesn’t necessarily contrast the “heavy casualty” narrative as that quote follows up that the Russians are “known” for absorbing heavy casualties according to it. That is the thing about narrative construction in the Western press, it doesn’t necessarily have to be “Ukraine is unstoppable any second” but shaping the perspective of the reader to what they want. I would say the casualty narrative is absolutely essential to the West though (so far) since it makes it seem the Ukrainians have a chance and the Russians are weak/clumsy and easily countered by the West. Also, the “defeat” is an ultimate conclusion that there is no way for Russia to demand terms from the Ukrainians. Ardennes has issued a correction as of 06:30 on Jan 10, 2023 |
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Jan 10, 2023 06:06
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It just occurred to me that the Battle of Przemyśl would be a far more natural comparison, thousands of kilometres closer if nothing else. How has that slipped by these NYT writers? Conscious or unconscious omission?
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Jan 10, 2023 06:11
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Frosted Flake posted:It just occurred to me that the Battle of Przemyśl would be a far more natural comparison, thousands of kilometres closer if nothing else. How has that slipped by these NYT writers? Conscious or unconscious omission? the name has too many consonants and is enormously less famous
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Jan 10, 2023 06:12
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mlmp please stop posting like fishmech
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Jan 10, 2023 06:15
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Frosted Flake posted:It just occurred to me that the Battle of Przemyśl would be a far more natural comparison, thousands of kilometres closer if nothing else. How has that slipped by these NYT writers? Conscious or unconscious omission? The existence of Austria-Hungary has probably slipped by half of these goobers. Personally I think all these battles are far too big to be valid comparisons.
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Jan 10, 2023 06:17
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V. Illych L. posted:right, so your interpretation of ardennes' original post is that he claims that the NYT is exclusively printing stories proclaiming doom for russia My interpretation is that this below is an unsupported claim. Maybe Ardennes was not being serious and was being dramatic. It’s inventing a version of reporting that never actually existed. The NYT was never making such outlandish claims, in spite of their clear pro-Ukraine stance. So I think you and sum are making a different and more reasonable argument (NYT has pro-Ukraine bias, but hasn’t declared endless defeats for Russia). Ardennes posted:(Even the NYT has pivoted from the pervious narrative "of endless defeat and slaughter for Russian forces")
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Jan 10, 2023 06:18
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mlmp08 posted:My interpretation is that this below is an unsupported claim. Maybe Ardennes was not being serious and was being dramatic. It’s inventing a version of reporting that never actually existed. The NYT was never making such outlandish claims, in spite of their clear pro-Ukraine stance. is this your honest to god reading of ardennes' post
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Jan 10, 2023 06:22
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Keeping the polish spelling just because it's "latin" is a mistake, ain't anyone gonna be able to read that.
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Jan 10, 2023 06:23
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V. Illych L. posted:is this your honest to god reading of ardennes' post I quoted him directly; I did not edit his words. I think he gave either an ignorant or dishonest account of the facts. Not sure which one.
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Jan 10, 2023 06:25
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quote:Ivan Katchanovski, Ukrainian-Canadian political scientist who teaches at the University of Ottawa, is exposing US media lies about the Ukraine proxy war. And, like many Useful Idiot guests, no one will report on his story. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6ic5qSyQZ4&t=1480s accent was a bit difficult to get through, but still worth a listen
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Jan 10, 2023 06:25
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didn't read any of the last few pages or posts but stfu mlmp
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Jan 10, 2023 06:32
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crepeface posted:didn't read any of the last few pages or posts but stfu mlmp
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Jan 10, 2023 06:35
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Frosted Flake posted:It just occurred to me that the Battle of Przemyśl would be a far more natural comparison, thousands of kilometres closer if nothing else. How has that slipped by these NYT writers? Conscious or unconscious omission? It doesn't even show up on the map in Hearts of Iron, how do you expect anyone to know? 
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Jan 10, 2023 06:37
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Yeah I guarantee you not a single person working at the NYT has ever heard of that siege.
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Jan 10, 2023 06:37
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Nobody at the NYT knows anything about Verdun either, it's just pop culture shorthand for big muddy meat grinder. FF has a very specific type of autism that gets stuck on stuff like that all the time.
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Jan 10, 2023 06:42
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Well at least he isn't running a drug and human trafficking ring
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Jan 10, 2023 06:44
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and better yet he isn't mlmp
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Jan 10, 2023 06:45
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Cuttlefush posted:Well at least he isn't running a drug and human trafficking ring I don't think any green berets are posting here.
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Jan 10, 2023 06:45
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Frosted Flake posted:It just occurred to me that the Battle of Przemyśl would be a far more natural comparison, thousands of kilometres closer if nothing else. How has that slipped by these NYT writers? Conscious or unconscious omission? dont follow this chain of reasoning. verdun makes some sense, how is it like przemysl at all?
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Jan 10, 2023 06:53
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Fuligin posted:dont follow this chain of reasoning. verdun makes some sense, how is it like przemysl at all? I think the reasoning is that during that Austrians (the defender) were moderately more on the losing end. I personally don’t thinks Soledar/Bakhmut was like either one.
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Jan 10, 2023 07:07
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Majorian posted:Yeah I guarantee you not a single person working at the NYT has ever heard of that siege. I doubt anyone working at the NYT has even seen Blade 1, starring Wesley Snipes. Their audience doesn't require any actual in depth analysis anyway so knowledge of sieges would be a waste.
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Jan 10, 2023 07:12
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DancingShade posted:I doubt anyone working at the NYT has even seen Blade 1, starring Wesley Snipes. And Stephen Dorff. Don't you dare forget Stephen Dorff. Even though the world already has...
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Jan 10, 2023 07:14
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the retreat from Kherson was similar to the Battle of Galicia which makes today the Gorlice-Tarnow Offensive
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Jan 10, 2023 07:15
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https://twitter.com/zhao_dashuai/status/1612355748666970112
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Jan 10, 2023 08:10
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Majorian thread ban mlmpMajorian posted:Nah, everyone ITT hates him and he needs to stop posting here.
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Jan 10, 2023 08:25
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Majorian posted:And Stephen Dorff. Don't you dare forget Stephen Dorff. He was great in True Detective season 3
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Jan 10, 2023 09:32
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Weka posted:Majorian thread ban mlmp Nah, this thread needs at least one lightning rod. Otherwise it turns in on itself, not unlike a beaver’s teeth curving around until it pierces its own brain, which is a thing that happens in nature. mlmp is the log upon which this beaver of a thread must chew occasionally. This is a perfect metaphor. Slim Jim Pickens posted:He was great in True Detective season 3 I didn’t know he was in that. I stopped after season 1 but I might skip to 3. Majorian has issued a correction as of 09:53 on Jan 10, 2023 |
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Jan 10, 2023 09:50
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he should be confined to only be able to post in this thread
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Jan 10, 2023 09:53
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crepeface posted:he should be confined to only be able to post in this thread Does he post anywhere else? I’ve literally never seen him post anywhere else.
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Jan 10, 2023 09:54
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Frosted Flake posted:I would like to hear why it’s reasonable to compare this to Verdun at all, since even casual familiarity with the battle paints a very bleak picture for Ukraine. Wtf
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Jan 10, 2023 09:56
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Majorian posted:Does he post anywhere else? I’ve literally never seen him post anywhere else. HE'S LIVING IN THE VERY WALLS OF THE THREAD
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Jan 10, 2023 10:18
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The real mlmp was the friends we made along the way
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Jan 10, 2023 10:20
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threadbanning mlmp would just cause someone else to fill his role as the local thread dipshit, as evidenced by every other thread that has ever existed. a part of me cant help but think that its an actual job position that has to be filled.
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Jan 10, 2023 10:37
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Oh wow, I wake up from a night's sleep and open the thread to see...mlmp08 posts.
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Jan 10, 2023 10:42
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Baykin posted:threadbanning mlmp would just cause someone else to fill his role as the local thread dipshit, as evidenced by every other thread that has ever existed. a part of me cant help but think that its an actual job position that has to be filled. so you're saying we should deport mlmp to russia and have a local cspam resident take up the job
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Jan 10, 2023 10:46
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https://twitter.com/bctallis/status/1612105946012033026
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So how important (or not) is russia taking Soledar and Bakhmut at this point.
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