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Saukkis posted:EVs will succeed no matter what and the grid will have to deal with it. People will keep buying them and nothing sort of large permanent increase in electricity prices or government ban will stop them. What charges those batteries? The grid feeds those charging stations. You are missing the forest for the trees here.
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CommieGIR posted:What charges those batteries? The grid feeds those charging stations. You are missing the forest for the trees here. The solar panels. The wind turbines. The power cable if there are some electrons left over. This is not a life and death situation, the power company can come axe the cable if they are too much of a nuisance, they will still have some electricity available. Can you suggest a better way to charge EVs that require fast charging during a road trip?
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Saukkis posted:EVs will succeed no matter what and the grid will have to deal with it. People will keep buying them and nothing sort of large permanent increase in electricity prices or government ban will stop them. If it's significantly more of a pain in the rear end or significantly more expensive than an alternative a small amount of people will continue to buy whatever that thing is and the vast majority will not. This applies throughout history and to more than cars. Your fantasy and hand waving is ludicrous. I'm not sure who you're trying to convince, us or yourself. What is your actual goal here? Because "posting reasonable believable opinions" doesn't seem to be it. E: Saukkis posted:the power company can come axe the cable if they are too much of a nuisance, they will still have some electricity available. What in the hell is this even supposed to mean? Your posting is littered with nonsense like this. Motronic fucked around with this message at 00:32 on Jan 10, 2023 |
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If I'm following things correctly, the point is that the power has to come from somewhere, and that's likely the grid. If the grid can handle the increased load overall, there's no problem, but it sounds as if the German grid is close to maxed out. Yes, charging or storing energy at non-peak hours makes sense and is overall a good move, but even then if the supply can't keep up with the demand, extra storage isn't going to do anything for you. Total power out simply can't exceed total power in.
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Saukkis posted:The solar panels. The wind turbines. The power cable if there are some electrons left over. This is not a life and death situation, the power company can come axe the cable if they are too much of a nuisance, they will still have some electricity available. So like large parts of the US are hundreds of miles of nothingness. My home state for example, once I start heading west towards Wyoming & Montana there just isn't anything. It's.. rock. Dirt. a scattered railroad town (maybe). You don't just "build power lines" out here or EV stations. It's so expensive to do! Wyoming is, for those who haven't been there, a godawful hell zone that has 3 things in it - rock, wind, and oil. Despite huge wind energy potential it really hasn't happened because you gotta run the transmission lines out there and it's just not economical outside the "big" cities of like Casper. Western Nebraska is the same. It's basically free, the land isn't really used for anything outside of grazing (and even then, requires dozens/hundreds of acres per every cow) so it's cheap and ALL it does is blow wind. But nobody has really invested in that and part of the reason is just there aren't the high grade transmission lines to pull that power from there to the places that need it. So for this to all work we need charging stations all along the big interstates (i-80, i-90, i-70, i-35, etc) that run through these godforsaken places. You're talking huge expenditures to drag in new power lines to run to the EV charging stations. That's _assuming_ there is a power plant nearby that can feed them because most of these states have had really static population growth so haven't exactly invested in brand new power plants. Maybe wind can help with that but it is occasionally not windy even in Wyoming. People are trying to handwave stuff like this away but for any sort of charging infrastructure to exist you're talking expenditures for rural power that we've only seen a handful of times - in North Dakota when the Bakken was developed and when the ICBM fields were first built in the 60s. EVs are great and amazing, but true die hards just forget that a lot of people dont just live on the coast or in gigantic cities. adaz fucked around with this message at 00:45 on Jan 10, 2023 |
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Saukkis posted:The solar panels. The wind turbines. The power cable if there are some electrons left over. This is not a life and death situation, the power company can come axe the cable if they are too much of a nuisance, they will still have some electricity available. Go ask Germany about the Wind Draught they just had. Renewables are not a consistent source of electricity, they are intermittent. Batteries are, at best, a 1 hour standby at max load.
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Motronic posted:If it's significantly more of a pain in the rear end or significantly more expensive than an alternative a small amount of people will continue to buy whatever that thing is and the vast majority will not. The biggest disadvantage is the price and Norway has profen that when that has been removed hoardes of people are willing to choose EV. I don't the option of home charging, but I could make an EV work. I would probably mostly charge at the grocery stores I use, they have decent 80 kW chargers in parking garage. I might also charge at work whenever I visit the office. If I'm running low when going to a restaurant I'd try to choose one with a charger nearby. I read an article about a guy who had owned an EV for 7 years without home charging. Nissan Leaf with a small battery was a bit of a hassle, but after buying a Tesla it became an nonissue. The Kreuz-Hilden can operate completely off-grid, they don't require a grid connection. The roof is covered in solar panels, see the attached picture. I haven't seen a picture with the wind turbines, but I assume it wouldn't make sense to build them far. Running off-grid would just limit how many EVs they can charge and pizzas bake. adaz posted:So like large parts of the US are hundreds of miles of nothingness. My home state for example, once I start heading west towards Wyoming & Montana there just isn't anything. It's.. rock. Dirt. a scattered railroad town (maybe). Well hopefully the Montanans won't be the first to rush to buy EVs. I admit Havre seems to be impossible to reach with an EV, but a Bismarck to Butte trip doesn't seem like a much of a problem. Thanks for proofing my point. When running power lines is impossible or too much of a hassle, then the only option is a charging station with onsite renewable power generation and a huge battery storage. True, the EV infrastructure is lacking outside big cities. But on the other in such places home charging shouldn't be much of an issue. Just recently I happened to notice that the farm I grew up in is 42 kilometers away from the nearest public gas station. If I had to do 80 km road trip just to fill up I would definitely consider an EV. That's probably the reason one of the farms in the area is running a gas station even Google doesn't know about. Most farms have a small tank for tractor fuel, they have three large above ground tanks for different fuels.
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CommieGIR posted:Go ask Germany about the Wind Draught they just had. Renewables are not a consistent source of electricity, they are intermittent. Batteries are, at best, a 1 hour standby at max load. So go explain direktor Schüren what an idiot he is. They run out of electricity, so what. they lose some income, who cares.
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Sagebrush posted:two words: Many people are saying.
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My landlord has installed four chargers in the garage of my 12-unit building. I pay 100$ month extra for one of those spaces (Important note: my Model 3 has still not killed anyone or crumbled to dust while I was driving).
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Humbug Scoolbus posted:(Important note: my Model 3 has still not killed anyone or crumbled to dust while I was driving). Thanks for continually updating the thread. It’s still a bad car
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Saukkis posted:So go explain direktor Schüren what an idiot he is. They run out of electricity, so what. they lose some income, who cares. He's an idiot and just had to bring coal plants out of retirement to cover loss of nuclear and rush to get enough gas to cover Winter because they signed a literal deal with a Russian devil.
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Saukkis posted:We can trust capitalism to take care of much of the issues when sufficent demand arises. The Kreuz Hilden park didn't require an organisation, just a bakery chain owner who wanted to build it. Of course he was a Tesla owner so he was probably biased. Capitalism is what brought us to the point where we're trying to sell as many EVs as possible without having a long-term plan in place to improve the grid infrastructure to the point where it can handle the amount of charging capacity required to cover the amount of EVs we'll have on the road in the next 5-10 years. The purpose of the project was not to prove that sites like these can run off-grid. This is from your source quote:The two battery storage system containers from the German manufacturer Tesvolt store electricity from the currently 336 kilowatt-peak (kWp) photovoltaic installation and two small wind turbines in order to shave the expensive peak loads that occur during the charging of electric vehicles. They also, however, store green electricity from the grid when it is particularly cheap and relieve the utility grid when there is more electricity in the grid than is consumed. The latter part is hilarious (we'll look at the generation capacity below), but it literally points out how it needs power from the grid for charging, and even buys power off the grid during off-peak hours. Saukkis posted:The Kreuz-Hilden can operate completely off-grid, they don't require a grid connection. The roof is covered in solar panels, see the attached picture. I haven't seen a picture with the wind turbines, but I assume it wouldn't make sense to build them far. Running off-grid would just limit how many EVs they can charge and pizzas bake. Again, the Kreuz-Hilden charging station can not operate completely off-grid. I'm not sure how to most-charitably interpret your argument of "look at the roof, it's completely covered in solar panels", when you yourself have been pointing out how many loading stations it has: quote:When completed the location is planned to have 40x Tesla Supercharger, 22x Fastned chargers up to 300kW and 52 AC charging points. Its on-site storage capacity is 2 MWh. Its on-site generation capacity in solar is 336 kW in (peak) solar power, and - quote - "two small wind turbines". They're planning to expand their solar generation to 700 kW peak by the time the site is finished. Its discharging-capacity is up to 10 MW off the Tesla Superchargers, 6.6 MW off the Fastned chargers, and if we're conservatively assuming the AC chargers are 11kW, that's around 600 kW off those. So the total discharging capacity is around 17 MW. With no drain on its battery, the site can run two out of sixty-two superchargers (on a sunny day). Two. With eight more superchargers occupied (we're at a 16% supercharger occupation of the site now), the battery is drained inside one hour. This is from your own source. Everyone in the thread has been pointing out that the grid infrastructure is the problem, and your solution is off-grid charging stations with "on-site renewable power generation and huge battery storage" that can live without a grid-connection for *checks notes* literal minutes. Come on, now. 
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Now what is thus report this thread got today?Scratch Monkey posted:Xpost Reported as Wrong Thread? Well I can't decide  Vote Right Thread - reporter gets sixxed Vote Wrong Thread - poster gets sixxed First to 10 votes as per usual! Good luck 
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Right thread because the execution sucks. The spoiler is just completely in the way and all the pokey bits on the top of the bumper are, at best, going to be very annoying.
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Right thread. It's not even the right color for a car-based sex bed.
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Right thread because it's not a Corvette bed
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Right thread You know nothing is properly attached; just the squeaking of springs and the rattling of plastic
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Right thread. Put the parts on your Lancer and go for a drive and maybe pickup at a meet and have REAL LIFE NON PRETEND SEX!
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Galler posted:Right thread because the execution sucks. The spoiler is just completely in the way and all the pokey bits on the top of the bumper are, at best, going to be very annoying. It’s this. If it was done better, wrong thread. As that photo is? Right thread.
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Wrong thread and worse, nobody in here has identified why. That’s definitively not actually a racecar bed. I don’t think anyone can argue that. But it’s someone who has a bunch of car parts sitting around in their house and decided to do something fun with them and share it (that then got shared and shared and etc because it’s the internet). But if keeping too many car parts in your house and taking silly pictures with them is wrong then I don’t want to be right.
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Wrong thread. It was clearly sat there for an excellent joke, not a lovely permanent install.
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I feel like this one is quite obvious https://twitter.com/WilliamByrdUSA/status/1612813664381272064?t=q7cFIItVuNO9aPNhvN6CWg&s=19
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Right thread. Even if it's just a joke, the oily residue transferring from the bumper molding to the sheets is gross. And you know there's oily residue, even if it's brand new and never installed.
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I get probated in a big bed, with my wife (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Olympic Mathlete posted:I feel like this one is quite obvious That's just ugly and awful.
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Right thread. There's better ways to put crank walk to bed. E fuckit. Gonna have to cut the suspensory ligament to be a Mitsu in the sheets cursedshitbox fucked around with this message at 16:29 on Jan 10, 2023 |
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CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:Now what is thus report this thread got today? Wrong thread. Evo bed is amazing. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:Now what is thus report this thread got today? i sleep in a regular bed with my wife. This is terrible from execution to image macro. The amount of effort put in just to make this image is poor. It is terrible top to bottom so that is deserving to be in this thread. The originator of the image should also be ashamed.
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adaz posted:Wyoming I don't think anyone is thinking the second lowest population density state is a good target for mass electric car adoption in the near future. I do think, based on my experience visiting Wyoming for 2 weeks, that expanding wind turbine installations there is a good idea. It was never not windy the entire two weeks I was there. As for insufficient grid capacity for that, Wyoming has a bunch of coal power stations. Maybe some of those can be phased out in favor of more wind power? Either way, I agree that wind and solar by themselves aren't enough. We need nuclear for baseload. Wyoming isn't a bad location to build it either given the amount of empty land to site stations away from population centers. That might at least help satisfy the idiots who are afraid of a US Fukushima or Chernobyl. Disgruntled Bovine fucked around with this message at 19:23 on Jan 10, 2023 |
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CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:Now what is thus report this thread got today? Right thread. Car beds by definition are cool, but the stupid image macro and poor execution make this one the outlier.
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Somewhat Heroic posted:i sleep in a regular bed with my wife.
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