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It looks like the January 6th Committee's site has been taken down? https://january6th.house.gov/ [edit] never mind, it's been temporarily archived here https://january6th-benniethompson.house.gov/
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Figured I'd post this in here https://www.vice.com/en/article/88qjyz/jan-6-comic-book-capitol-riot A Jan. 6 Comic Book Asks the Terrifying Question: What if the Coup Had Worked? “1/6” imagines the dystopian MAGA future that almost was. It’s a speculative telling of the January 6 insurrection and coup attempt in an oppressive and authoritarian world where the mob, and Donald Trump, succeeded.
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# ? Jan 8, 2023 14:05 |
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Brazil’s worth looking at looks like this poo poo is getting exported.
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# ? Jan 9, 2023 00:24 |
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American soft power has taken on a disturbing dimension over the past decade. Anti-vaxx, anti-democratic, authoritarian tendencies combined with consumer grade toxicity. Everyone should watch Bad Luck Bangin to see it play out in Romania.
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# ? Jan 9, 2023 00:40 |
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Bar Ran Dun posted:Brazil’s worth looking at looks like this poo poo is getting exported. Bannon is Bolsanaros advisor. So, yeah, just working the plan on a trial run.
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# ? Jan 9, 2023 04:43 |
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Bar Ran Dun posted:Brazil’s worth looking at looks like this poo poo is getting exported. I mean, in terms of unsuccessful ones, Germany had the Reichsbürger plot from Decembverthat also had its influences from QAnon.
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# ? Jan 9, 2023 10:21 |
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It is now up to the DA to present the information gathered to a grand jury later this month for indictment. https://twitter.com/TamarHallerman/status/1612461816499605504
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# ? Jan 9, 2023 19:33 |
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Bar Ran Dun posted:Brazil’s worth looking at looks like this poo poo is getting exported. Youth Decay posted:This won't actually hurt anything right? Automata 10 Pack fucked around with this message at 01:53 on Jan 10, 2023 |
# ? Jan 10, 2023 01:48 |
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Recently came across this Jan 6 experience article that profiles a Jan 6'er. It does a good job of highlighting the larger problems that need to be dealt with. https://twitter.com/MajorCBS/status/1611745879463018497
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OgNar posted:It is now up to the DA to present the information gathered to a grand jury later this month for indictment. Itshappening.gif? Murgos fucked around with this message at 03:27 on Jan 10, 2023 |
# ? Jan 10, 2023 03:14 |
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-Blackadder- posted:Recently came across this Jan 6 experience article that profiles a Jan 6'er. like at best, they are well off suburban chuds who fell hard into main character syndrom and bought into obvious bullshit because their lives are boring. that channel 5 documentry talks about it with the Qanon family who are well off and 2 miles from the projects and people actually struggling to survive. the guy gets some mercy and still doesnt understand what he did was wrong,
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# ? Jan 10, 2023 03:25 |
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They already got mercy. They're getting mercy every day they continue to be alive. If they had been a black man with their hands in the air begging not to be shot they'd find out what a lack of mercy in America is.
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# ? Jan 10, 2023 03:43 |
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bird food bathtub posted:They already got mercy. They're getting mercy every day they continue to be alive. If they had been a black man with their hands in the air begging not to be shot they'd find out what a lack of mercy in America is. oh i dont disgaree. i loving hate these assholes. these arnt poor uneducated folks from the boonies or whatever some folks still try to play them off as. these are all well off dickheads who bought into very obvious lies and bullshit because they couldnt admit the dude they voted for was a moron conman and that their kids didnt talk to them for a reason. gently caress em, they had every chance but they blew their vacation time or whatever on playing dress up for a con man and then got shocked when they held the bag.
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# ? Jan 10, 2023 05:17 |
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Yeah, to be clear the central question that pushes the story is whether or not he deserves mercy but what's much more interesting is how well the article get's inside his head and charts his path, and how that serves to highlight the larger problems. Specifically this... Dapper_Swindler posted:like at best, they are well off suburban chuds who fell hard into main character syndrom and bought into obvious bullshit because their lives are boring. that channel 5 documentry talks about it with the Qanon family who are well off and 2 miles from the projects and people actually struggling to survive. the guy gets some mercy and still doesnt understand what he did was wrong, ...nails it. If the issue were just, as was assumed in the past, people being poor, uneducated yokels, that's a narrow scope; a small target, and easier to address. But when upper middle class college degree holders can be radicalized by the talk radio version of Darkseid's Anti-Life Equation, that's a much broader problem. I thought these portions here were telling: quote:The rioters, who had traveled to Washington from red, blue and purple states, were a cross-section of White America, with few people of color. Some had been scarred by years of addiction, poverty, mental illness and abuse. But others, such as Peart, led relatively uneventful and prosperous lives. Most were heavy consumers of right-wing media, according to court documents. Peart favored talk radio hosts and podcasters such as Ben Shapiro, Dan Bongino and Joe Rogan. quote:“I felt like we were at a battle, standing up for our country,” Peart said. He draped a Trump flag over his shoulders and along with the crowd called for members of Congress to show themselves. “Where’s Mitt Romney?” he yelled. quote:For Peart, the aftermath of the riot has been more complex. He felt bad that his actions caused some inside the Capitol to fear for their lives, and he regretted the physical damage to the building. But he hadn’t committed any violence or vandalism himself, he reasoned. And he continued to believe his cause was just, his motives pure — a view widely shared in his mostly rural Washington County, which Trump won with 74 percent of the vote. quote:Peart had sworn off national politics in the seven months since his sentencing, put away his patriot-themed T-shirts and stopped listening to right-wing radio and podcasts. Still he couldn’t shake the feeling that dark forces were eating away at America’s democracy and that it was his responsibility as a good citizen to sound the alarm. He ran for school board on a platform of opposing federal intervention in schools, losing to a six-year incumbent. He also began speaking out at local government meetings like the one in Washington County. quote:
quote:Later that evening, Peart was attending an auction and potluck dinner for his son Tad’s wrestling team when a friend approached and thanked him for his comments at the county commission meeting. The guy goes from being:
-Blackadder- fucked around with this message at 08:56 on Jan 10, 2023 |
# ? Jan 10, 2023 08:40 |
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"I don't know how to find a source that isn't an echo chamber" sums up a lot of this bullshit. They're told over and over again that non-echo chambers are part of the conspiracy and to never trust them. The brainwashing is next level and extremely effective.
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# ? Jan 10, 2023 11:19 |
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loving lol at growing a beard and buying angry tshirts because you're a Soldier of Trump now. loving hell
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# ? Jan 10, 2023 12:47 |
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That article is interesting but also infuriating. These loving weirdos will howl from balconies about voter fraud and the election being stolen and I LITERALLY have never seen a single piece of evidence to back this up, including anything shown by the courts to be false. They simply cannot comprehend the sheer hatred a lot of their fellow Americans have for their tanned wet boy, and now every election moving forward is at the mercy of crazed fanatics contesting every result simply because they do not like the outcome.
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# ? Jan 10, 2023 13:17 |
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Gen Xers are really dumb. a whole generation of anti-intellectual, entitled nihilists.
Automata 10 Pack fucked around with this message at 14:11 on Jan 10, 2023 |
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The level of intellectual laziness is just astounding. Laziness is too weak a word. It's intellectual sloth.
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britishbornandbread posted:That article is interesting but also infuriating. These loving weirdos will howl from balconies about voter fraud and the election being stolen and I LITERALLY have never seen a single piece of evidence to back this up, including anything shown by the courts to be false. They simply cannot comprehend the sheer hatred a lot of their fellow Americans have for their tanned wet boy, and now every election moving forward is at the mercy of crazed fanatics contesting every result simply because they do not like the outcome. Automata 10 Pack posted:Gen Xers are really dumb. a whole generation of anti-intellectual, entitled nihilists. They've gone from warning people not to believe anything they read on the internet and calling Snopes a far left liberal website to believing everything they read on the internet and culling all their information from Facebook and FW>FW>FW> emails
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# ? Jan 10, 2023 14:26 |
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Tech and media illiterate but now using both heavily.
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Judge Schnoopy posted:"I don't know how to find a source that isn't an echo chamber" sums up a lot of this bullshit. They're told over and over again that non-echo chambers are part of the conspiracy and to never trust them. He got to DC by living in an echo chamber. It's frustrating. My neighbor had a friend. Twenty years ago this friend was a union mason at the bottom of the totem pole, scraping by on leavings from more senior union guys, and collecting unemployment for the winter. He started a concrete business, laying sidewalks, patios and driveways, and it took off. He is literally a self-made man and now doing very well financially. Coincident with that rise came TRump, Fox, and his purchase of tons of guns. He has Fox on at home at all times and he'd come over to my neighbor's bar and go off with this TRump BS. After a couple hours of talking to him about the reality-based world, appealing to his innate sense of logic & reasoning, he'd start to come round. Then he'd go home & be bathed in Fox all night. Lather, rinse, repeat. We finally gave up on him.
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Ynglaur posted:The level of intellectual laziness is just astounding. Laziness is too weak a word. It's intellectual sloth. It's not just laziness. It's hostility towards intellectualism. The Gen X culture was all about "everything is bullshit, and believing any of it makes you bullshit." They hated Republicans because they represented the principled censorious authority, and then a celebrity they grew up watching walked into a RNC Debate, pointed at the those Republicans and said "everything here is bullshit, and believing any of it makes you bullshit." We lost a whole generation to the right because they thought Donald Trump was cool and opted for the boomer brainwashing machine so they could watch more Trump. Automata 10 Pack fucked around with this message at 17:14 on Jan 10, 2023 |
# ? Jan 10, 2023 16:03 |
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Why does everyone here always ignore the MegaChurch Fundie aspect?
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# ? Jan 10, 2023 16:36 |
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Failed Imagineer posted:loving lol at growing a beard and buying angry tshirts because you're a Soldier of Trump now. loving hell This is probably the most exciting thing that's ever happened to him. Geezers need excitement.
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Automata 10 Pack posted:Gen Xers are really dumb. a whole generation of anti-intellectual, entitled nihilists. When someone tells you they think there's an underground tunnel connecting the Vatican and "Jerusalem" (I've never heard it placed any more specifically than that), and the tunnel is filled with gold and treasure, and that 'someone' will soon be using the treasure to pay all Americans an income of a million dollars a month, and then six months later when you ask that someone to think critically about why that didn't happen, and that person is completely unable to self reflect on the topic, well, what to you do? Give up? When someone is absolutely convinced that most major politicians have been replaced by CGI and body doubles and cite the Mission Impossible 2 movie as to how that is possible, what do you do?
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BiggerBoat posted:They've gone from warning people not to believe anything they read on the internet and calling Snopes a far left liberal website to believing everything they read on the internet and culling all their information from Facebook and FW>FW>FW> emails its because they want the 80s/90s/early 2000s to be eternal because thats when their lives peaked. its like my uncle who talks about how he a big crtical thinker but believes every insane qanon/trump thing that comes down the pipeline to the point that even my dad is sick of it and he hates politics.
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AvesPKS posted:When someone tells you they think there's an underground tunnel connecting the Vatican and "Jerusalem" (I've never heard it placed any more specifically than that), and the tunnel is filled with gold and treasure, and that 'someone' will soon be using the treasure to pay all Americans an income of a million dollars a month, and then six months later when you ask that someone to think critically about why that didn't happen, and that person is completely unable to self reflect on the topic, well, what to you do? Give up?
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The Boston Globe had a similar profile for a OBGYN doctor who was arrested recently: https://www.bostonglobe.com/2023/01...-officer-jan-6/
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Automata 10 Pack posted:Oh yeah, no. We lost them. They are gone. Make peace with that. oh we lost gen x years ago, trump was just the capstone moment.
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Automata 10 Pack posted:It's not just laziness. It's hostility towards intellectualism. The Gen X culture was all about "everything is bullshit, and believing any of it makes you bullshit." They hated Republicans because they represented the principled censorious authority, and then a celebrity they grew up watching walked into a RNC Debate, pointed at the those Republicans and said "everything here is bullshit, and believing any of it makes you bullshit." Gen X (my generation) was the last to grow up with clear memories of the Cold War and the Reagan era, and all the propaganda of that era is still soaked in to one degree or another. Speaking for myself and my own ideological hangovers, it took a long time for "socialism" to stop being a dirty word, one to associate with Rambo villains and standing in line in the snow for black market blue jeans. Many of my old classmates have gotten over this -- a lot of my high school friends are progressives -- but others haven't at all, they're basically Boomer Lite. Then too, we X'ers also had the good fortune to secure education, careers, families and houses before the economy crashed. The same system that benefited the boomers benefited us. We could afford to be cynical because after the threat of WW3 petered out, we knew the traditional college-job-home ownership pipeline would be waiting for us, secure and indestructible as the earth itself.
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Mechanical Ape posted:Then too, we X'ers also had the good fortune to secure education, careers, families and houses before the economy crashed. I graduated from college into a terrible economy that featured a "jobless recovery" and I never started a career or a family and will never own a house. "Generations" are nonsense blanket terms and I wish people would stop leaning on them to try and score easy points on the internet. The idea that the entire X generation is "lost" is laughable but hey if it makes it easier for you decide who to hate I guess I can't stop you.
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It seems like a close relative of the good old "the zoomers are totally lost to fascism because youtube" thing, where the fact of some radicals existing defines everyone regardless of how many there are. Everything has always pointed to Gen X being a transitional generation where its older members are similar to younger boomers and its younger are similar to older millennials. Every generation is like that, because "generations" aren't objectively real and are just a shorthand we use to lump age cohorts based on arbitrary cutoffs. It shouldn't be really surprising that a disproportionate number of the wilder fascists are younger ones even where the absolute numbers are lower, since boomers are old and tired at this point and not many of them were gonna literally climb walls attacking the Capitol.
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Killer robot posted:It seems like a close relative of the good old "the zoomers are totally lost to fascism because youtube" thing, where the fact of some radicals existing defines everyone regardless of how many there are. This. The only thing that is universal about Gen X is we all bought Nevermind. Mechanical Ape posted:Gen X (my generation) was the last to grow up with clear memories of the Cold War and the Reagan era, and all the propaganda of that era is still soaked in to one degree or another. Speaking for myself and my own ideological hangovers, it took a long time for "socialism" to stop being a dirty word, one to associate with Rambo villains and standing in line in the snow for black market blue jeans. Many of my old classmates have gotten over this -- a lot of my high school friends are progressives -- but others haven't at all, they're basically Boomer Lite. I can report a similar experience. It took a long, long time before I could stop reflexively associating "socialism" with evil, oppression, and failure, because of all the nonsense they force-fed us in school in the 80s.
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Gen X also fought Reagan Youth skinheads at punk shows.
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Well I mean yeah, generational stereotypes are mostly meaningless and to the extent those identities apply to anyone, it's mainly members of the white middle class. Gen X were flannel-wearing cynics to about the same degree that boomers were tie-dyed hippies: not much. And even the flannel demographic didn't always get that hoped-for economic security. I graduated with a guy who went on to a career in print media, a career which had a pretty brief expiration date, and had a real hard time re-establishing himself after that. I do, however, still believe (and this is purely anecdotal) that people my age and older have roots in a Cold War age, followed by an end-of-history age, which puts -- I guess I would say speed bumps? -- on our tendency to look leftward for possibilities. And that younger Americans are reaching political awareness with fewer such speedbumps. By no means would I call Gen X "lost" to conservatism, but I do think that normalizing progressive/left ideas, dispelling that stigma, will do a whole lot of good in helping them think in that framework, in showing that there even is a different framework they can think in. As for the ones who went full Trumper and stormed the Capitol, I got no idea. Mechanical Ape fucked around with this message at 19:24 on Jan 10, 2023 |
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I just saw "This place rules" America is broken beyond a way back.
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Keyser_Soze posted:Gen X also fought Reagan Youth skinheads at punk shows. Counterpoint: the Regan Youth skinheads at punk shows were also Gen X.
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cant cook creole bream posted:I just saw "This place rules" America is broken beyond a way back. Seeing the Qanon kids in that was the saddest poo poo. That sort of thing is child abuse.
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Keyser_Soze posted:Gen X also fought Reagan Youth skinheads at punk shows. Reagan Youth was great but i dunno what they have to do with anything
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