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15 years ago Joe Horn executed two unarmed burglars as they left his neighbor's house despite the 911 operator's repeated pleas to stay indoors and let the cops handle it. He faced zero legal repercussions and I have the feeling this guy is going to as well.
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pro starcraft loser posted:Nah, it's still valid and a good shoot... until he domes the guy he disarmed himself. The exact terminology varies from state to state, but it seems like 2nd degree murder or some form of manslaughter would be the likeliest charge.
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Jan 9, 2023 00:01
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pro starcraft loser posted:good shoot You are a lunatic. Yeah, I know, Texas, right?
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Jan 9, 2023 00:37
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https://i.imgur.com/h6unpIB.mp4
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Dick Jones posted:15 years ago Joe Horn executed two unarmed burglars as they left his neighbor's house despite the 911 operator's repeated pleas to stay indoors and let the cops handle it. He faced zero legal repercussions and I have the feeling this guy is going to as well. Joe Horn the NFL receiver?
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Jan 9, 2023 02:45
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Finally some good news in this thread.
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Jan 9, 2023 02:51
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Texas says it is fine and dandy to perform vigilante homicide. We refer to this as Frank Castle Doctrine.
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Jan 10, 2023 06:03
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That can't be true, Texas only has White Castle Doctrines.
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Jan 10, 2023 09:11
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The White is implied I think
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Jan 10, 2023 09:24
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deep dish peat moss posted:That can't be true, Texas only has White Castle Doctrines. White Castle Doctrine is just the law that says you have to cook your burgers on top of a pile of diced onion. Don't get me wrong, that poo poo is delicious.
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Jan 10, 2023 10:00
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Let's say the autopsy shows that it wasn't the headshot but one of the first four fired that killed him, which for the sake of argument everyone agrees were justified. What's the laws take on that?
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Jan 10, 2023 10:21
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BIG-DICK-BUTT-gently caress posted:i dont see how do you draw the line between 4 shots, 8 shots, and 9 shots... That mfer is worm food either way its extremely easy, because shots 1-4 were fired rapidly into the back of a guy standing upright, which probably might qualify as self defense somehow, then 4 more were fired, after a pause in which the shooter closed distance, into a guy own on the floor, which is most probably not self defense, and shot 9 was fired point blank into the skull of an unconscious guy which is definitly not defense of any kind.
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Jan 10, 2023 10:27
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the guy ran because his social media is probably full of boomer memes talking about shooting liberals and black people. no way was that guy not doing loud, violent racisms about Obama on his facebook from when he got elected up to at least last week
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Jan 10, 2023 10:31
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thin blue whine posted:the guy ran because his social media is probably full of boomer memes talking about shooting liberals and black people. no way was that guy not doing loud, violent racisms about Obama on his facebook from when he got elected up to at least last week what the gently caress are you talking about
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Jan 10, 2023 10:35
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Did you watch the video? I think the shooter and the person he's sitting are both Central American.
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Jan 10, 2023 10:39
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Mister Speaker posted:what the gently caress are you talking about i dunno what the gently caress am i talking about
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Jan 10, 2023 10:59
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Jan 10, 2023 17:08
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BIG-DICK-BUTT-gently caress posted:I don't know poo poo about gun laws but I've heard the following two things from a few different gun nuts: I've heard similar stuff, the variation I heard on #1 is you shoot to kill so they can't survive to sue, yeah. Basically, you want to murder to other party because anything less means they can survive to tell the tale, which a judge/jury might realize is not actually self-defense after all. It's hosed up and it's basically 'wipe anyone who you feel threatens you even a lil' bit off the earth, don't leave survivors'
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Jan 10, 2023 17:31
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I know someone who pulled a gun and shot someone in the leg when threatened with a knife. The shooter went to prison for a couple years and even paid reparations to the guy he shot (for threatening his life). America's gun and violence laws are strange.
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StrangersInTheNight posted:I've heard similar stuff, the variation I heard on #1 is you shoot to kill so they can't survive to sue, yeah. Basically, you want to murder to other party because anything less means they can survive to tell the tale, which a judge/jury might realize is not actually self-defense after all. the whole point of #1 is supposed to be "don't pull a gun" not "so murder people," that's a Dave Grossman police training thing that's just leaked into fascist gun fanatics
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satanic splash-back posted:I know someone who pulled a gun and shot someone in the leg when threatened with a knife. Yup. Dead people can’t sue.
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Jan 10, 2023 19:34
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The first and second amendments need to go imho.
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Jan 10, 2023 20:09
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Mister Speaker posted:Yeah for real. Whenever I read victim statements from the family of police shooting victims, it strikes me as odd how reserved they tend to be; makes me wonder if there is some implicit threatening going on behind the scenes. Critics of police do tend to die in strange circumstances and unsolved cases. https://globalnews.ca/news/8957137/uvalde-school-shooting-police-harassment/
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Jan 10, 2023 20:13
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Funky See Funky Do posted:Let's say the autopsy shows that it wasn't the headshot but one of the first four fired that killed him, which for the sake of argument everyone agrees were justified. What's the laws take on that? 1: i don't blame the guy for not wanting to interact with the police. you should never interact with the police unless it is absolutely required and if you can avoid it do so. never talk with the police 2: i think in this situation it would be important for the police to talk to this guy. find out who he is and why he shot the guy. odds are high that it was just a random "i get to kill" type guy. but there's a chance, however small, that the kill was personal.
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Jan 10, 2023 20:20
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Dick Jones posted:15 years ago Joe Horn executed two unarmed burglars as they left his neighbor's house despite the 911 operator's repeated pleas to stay indoors and let the cops handle it. He faced zero legal repercussions and I have the feeling this guy is going to as well. they also threw him a huge celebration in his town. Real hosed up. This country sucks so much.
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Jan 10, 2023 22:49
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InsertPotPun posted:i can see both sides I think you misread the question. I'm saying is it still murder if it were one of the justified shots that killed him even though we agree that the other half were fired with homicidal intent because you can't attempt to murder a corpse?
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Jan 10, 2023 22:52
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Funky See Funky Do posted:I think you misread the question. I'm saying is it still murder if it were one of the justified shots that killed him even though we agree that the other half were fired with homicidal intent because you can't attempt to murder a corpse? Like is it illegal to beat a dead horse?
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cat botherer posted:Related, Uvalde cops have been harassing victim's families, including that mom who ran into the school when cops were too chickenshit to do it themselves. That's from June. I heard about it around then too. Although I'm sure they haven't given up yet! Also, you guys are going to get absolutely nowhere speculating the vast differences in gun laws between the states and who gets prosecuted for what. Pennywise the Frown fucked around with this message at 23:28 on Jan 10, 2023 |
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Funky See Funky Do posted:I think you misread the question. I'm saying is it still murder if it were one of the justified shots that killed him even though we agree that the other half were fired with homicidal intent because you can't attempt to murder a corpse?
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Pennywise the Frown posted:That's from June. I heard about it around then too. Although I'm sure they haven't given up yet! Pretty much. Even beyond variations in the law between states, ultimately it falls to the jury to make a decision. Assuming it even gets that far, I mean.
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Murdstone posted:I guess it depends? Hard to say in this case which shot hit where and was the fatal shot, after all, probably other than that last one. This is bizarre. How can a coroner even determine the order in which the bullets entered? Unless you're shooting a body that's been dead long enough for the blood to settle, how is that possible? I remember thinking a similar question after the Sammy Yatim shooting, which I mentioned upthread as an odd case where it was determined that (IIRC) the first volley of shots killed him but the second got the pig an 'attempted murder' charge. Is it just poring over zoomed-in body camera footage for hours and guessing where each shot went? How is that at all reliable?
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Funky See Funky Do posted:I think you misread the question. I'm saying is it still murder if it were one of the justified shots that killed him even though we agree that the other half were fired with homicidal intent because you can't attempt to murder a corpse?
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Funky See Funky Do posted:I think you misread the question. I'm saying is it still murder if it were one of the justified shots that killed him even though we agree that the other half were fired with homicidal intent because you can't attempt to murder a corpse? Yes. At the very least it is a meditated, attempted murder, but generally people do not die instantly from bullet wounds like in the movies so that situation is highly improbable.
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cat botherer posted:Related, Uvalde cops have been harassing victim's families, including that mom who ran into the school when cops were too chickenshit to do it themselves. I shouldn't read this thread. loving pigs.
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I just heard a short police siren followed by a hail of gunfire from my bedroom window and thought of you guys. How hosed up is that?
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CNN posted:Exclusive: Uvalde school police chief told investigators why he didn’t try to stop gunman: ‘There’s probably going to be some deceased in there, but we don’t need any more from out here’ Nameless Pete posted:I just heard a short police siren followed by a hail of gunfire from my bedroom window and thought of you guys. How hosed up is that? Stop shooting at cops from your bedroom window. 
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StrangersInTheNight posted:I've heard similar stuff, the variation I heard on #1 is you shoot to kill so they can't survive to sue, yeah. Basically, you want to murder to other party because anything less means they can survive to tell the tale, which a judge/jury might realize is not actually self-defense after all. Ehhhh, it can kinda be self-defense (in a preemptive sense) if the other person survives and tells their friends or family that you shot them, in which case you (or in this case the restaurant) could become a target for retaliation later. Granted there's a chance of this happening if they die, too, but in that case it's a bit less likely since the person can't relay your name/physical description or the location of the shooting to someone else. Although a witness still could. Or a security camera. EDIT: Like in food service, the retaliation thing comes up from time to time because when a store or employee gets robbed, they're more likely to become a target for future robberies or retaliatory attacks. This is why it's standard practice in pizza delivery to fire a delivery driver on the spot if they ever get robbed. I. M. Gei fucked around with this message at 21:07 on Jan 11, 2023 |
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I. M. Gei posted:Ehhhh, it can kinda be self-defense (in a preemptive sense) if the other person survives and tells their friends or family that you shot them, in which case you (or in this case the restaurant) could become a target for retaliation later. I don't even know how to begin to process any of this.
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Time_pants posted:I don't even know how to begin to process any of this. Yeah this is a real head scratcher. Maybe just don't sell pizzas to taht number anymore.
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I. M. Gei posted:This is why it's standard practice in pizza delivery to fire a delivery driver on the spot if they ever get robbed. I don't believe that's true, and in some countries/states it's highly illegal to do that.
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