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IPlayVideoGames posted:Seeing the Qanon kids in that was the saddest poo poo. That sort of thing is child abuse. I wasn't a huge fan of the doc but they stuff with the Qanon kids and the African American kids was the most heartbreaking. I like to think that the Qanon kids and parents were so close to getting that they were being lied to the whole time by the end of the movie that there is a small piece of hope that they came to their senses. That being said their parents are probably still anti-vax idiots so even if they stop believing in Q there is still so much more stupidity to get through.
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Captain_Maclaine posted:This. The only thing that is universal about Gen X is we all bought Nevermind. I'm Gen X. I did not buy Nevermind. Argument destroyed.
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Presto posted:I'm Gen X. I did not buy Nevermind. Argument destroyed. Liar.
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Presto posted:I'm Gen X. I did not buy Nevermind. Argument destroyed. who gave it to you for Christmas/Hanukah/Kwaanza/your birthday?
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Nobody. I hated Nirvana.
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Presto posted:I'm Gen X. I did not buy Nevermind. Argument destroyed. Every generation has its dweebs
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alf_pogs posted:I was born in 84, am I a Gen Xr I was also born in 84, I am a millenial
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alf_pogs posted:I was born in 84, am I a Gen Xr Please don't be one of those thin-skinned millennials that spend half their time mocking millennials and the other half advocating some other generational label for themselves based entirely on the after-school cartoons they watched during the nineties.
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What's next with the hearings? I lost track of whether this was now completely in the DOJ's hands and if any milestone dates had been announced.
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Dick Trauma posted:What's next with the hearings? I lost track of whether this was now completely in the DOJ's hands and if any milestone dates had been announced. What hearings? What committee? it is now in the hands of this guy 
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Madkal posted:I wasn't a huge fan of the doc but they stuff with the Qanon kids and the African American kids was the most heartbreaking. I like to think that the Qanon kids and parents were so close to getting that they were being lied to the whole time by the end of the movie that there is a small piece of hope that they came to their senses. That being said their parents are probably still anti-vax idiots so even if they stop believing in Q there is still so much more stupidity to get through. I was mixed on it too but that mixed with the little summery of “a lot of people are just trying to get buy or live their own lives and most of these chuds are angry cosplayers who fried their brains with fake fears because they have long forgotten what real fear/insecurities are while kids next door just want to grow up and have family back or have needs met” hit hard.
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Re: the lost boomers/Qultists. While trying to not get bogged down too much into generation chat I saw Mechanical Ape talk about the Cold War. I always here "Why are Boomers such a mess" "Leaded gas" "LOL" all these days and what I don't really see a lot about is how the Cold War probably hosed up a lot of people around the time. I was born in 87 so I never really got to experience the mess of it, but looking back at the world of someone born in the late 40's or 50's grew up into. Just this never ending fear and resignation that a nearly formless Other known as the Soviets would plunge the world into nuclear Armageddon. The kids these days have shooter drills, the kids in the 50's and 60's had nuclear war drills that likely left similar mental scars. I wonder how much of a lot of the older cohorts acting up comes from being told they're at the end of time, that we're going to have a nuclear rapture that will likely also be the religious rapture. It obviously helps explain the rise of doomsday evangelicism among a lot of groups. But then the Cold War ended and the world kept on ticking with a bunch of people who can't process that the End Times aren't coming. So they're stuck dealing with the consequences of plans made expecting future messes to not be an issue, perhaps reflecting on their mistakes. Or the third option: creating their own doomsday fantasies about civilization collapsing and attacking the authority figures saying "No the world isn't ending". Apologies if I'm just rambling but I do wonder how much of the current mania comes from those background. Obviously a lot of the energy comes from the endless right wing echo chamber of formless rage these people subject themselves to (while screaming everything else is an echo chamber).
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mdemone posted:What hearings? What committee? Georgia is up to bat first. They finished their investigation and ended the special grand jury who have written a full report with prosecution (or non-prosecution) recommendations. There is a hearing at the end of the month to determine if it should be made public and what parts of it and on what time frame. So, indictments may come out before or coincident with its release. Expect Trump and company to file suit imminently to try and suppress it being made public which should bring all kinds of interesting details and to come out through the filing while we wait.
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Alkydere posted:Re: the lost boomers/Qultists. While trying to not get bogged down too much into generation chat I saw Mechanical Ape talk about the Cold War. I always here "Why are Boomers such a mess" "Leaded gas" "LOL" all these days and what I don't really see a lot about is how the Cold War probably hosed up a lot of people around the time. I was born in 87 so I never really got to experience the mess of it, but looking back at the world of someone born in the late 40's or 50's grew up into. Also notable that boomers came of age in a world where the Cold War was going strong and the rhetoric of it was still "capitalism vs communism" but that wasn't really what it was about by that point and hadn't been for a long while, so it was all about the weird conflations of capitalism with liberal democracy and socialism with authoritarianism that were never really true anyway (especially with all the dictatorships the US backed just for being anti-Soviet.) Followed by the anti-"big government" rhetoric of Reagan years. Leading to them being old wanting to keep the communists from taking away their Social Security and Medicare.
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Keyser_Soze posted:Why does everyone here always ignore the MegaChurch Fundie aspect? I don't. I bring it up a lot all over the threads I post in. I think there's always a slight hesitancy to bring up religion in almost any sort of debate because then it always downward spirals into debate about theocracy and faith. Or if religion is a net positive or negative. Has a tendency to dominate any discussion and create boring derails. Kind of like pizza, barbecue and hot dogs. Also, the cold war paranoia and the sort of "who we do we hate" limbo resulting from it's end was eventually supplanted and filled by 9/11. I'm pretty old and remember Rocky IV, Reagan and all the "gently caress Russia" poo poo. Now those same types of jingoistic patriotic types lean toward loving Putin. BiggerBoat fucked around with this message at 02:03 on Jan 11, 2023 |
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Literally every chud wingnut quoted or interviewed - the 3rd at most thing they always mention is "their faith" and "their church" etc and it's always the vile magachurches they go to. The megachurches in my NorCal area are obviously filled with Trump flag flying chuds, these same churches blew off all the covid restrictions, helped fund anti lgbt measures, have alt reich speakers indocrinating whatever gullible morons go there to hear their drivel or force their children to attend and of course always vote 100% GOP .......oh and how convenient they have polling stations so you can vote after being cleared by their Proud Boy guards (aka off duty cops). They are a HUGE problem and these things are everywhere.
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-Blackadder- posted:“I felt like we were at a battle, standing up for our country,” Peart said. He draped a Trump flag over his shoulders and along with the crowd called for members of Congress to show themselves. “Where’s Mitt Romney?” he yelled. A member of a junta doing that is clearly engaged in a coup. A member of a large mobilized group in this country attacking the federal government is engaged in treason, as are the leaders. Oh I don't mind some pardons, but they need to be sentenced to hang first. And then they can have their citizenship/rights revoked, be excommunicated, or sit in prison for 40yr; their choice.
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BiggerBoat posted:Also, the cold war paranoia and the sort of "who we do we hate" limbo resulting from it's end was eventually supplanted and filled by 9/11. I'm pretty old and remember Rocky IV, Reagan and all the "gently caress Russia" poo poo. Now those same types of jingoistic patriotic types lean toward loving Putin. Indeed. I know from seeing the things you’ve said on these forums for years that we are about the same age, and grew up in the same Soviet-hating environment. Hell, I joined the USMC right after high school in 1987, and most everything we did was training to fight the Soviets in Europe, and I despised them back then, as did most everyone else. Then came the collapse of the Soviet Union, and about a decade later came 9/11, and suddenly we had politicians saying things like if a cop pulls someone over, and the driver has “a fan belt wrapped around a towel on his head, that guy needs to be taken out of the car and checked out” So then, everybody forgot about Russia and it was Muslim Man Bad. Then we got a black man as president, causing the right to completely lose their minds, the descent of Fox News into scaremongering/xenophobia/racism/conspiracy theories, and the love for the Strongman who can come to power and make things a’right, leading to Trump, etc. Having grown up through these times, it is always amazing to me how much the chuds and Republican politicians absolutely idolize Putin today.
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it's hard to overstate just how 1:1 russian culture war is to the american far right's culture war. They're basically on the same page wrt social issues, albeit state protections of minorities are significantly weaker in Russia so there's an added aspirational element because of that. To some extent I'm surprised by just how durable the old anti-Russian sentiment is in light of that, but I worry about just how much the far right has been realizing that they share common cause with Russian nationalists and the Russian far right. Herstory Begins Now fucked around with this message at 07:09 on Jan 11, 2023 |
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Wasn’t the one Russian fascist actively connecting all the far right groups in the Internet? Dugin, I think I remember something any that in the Ukraine thread, that forming connections between the various right wing groups internationally has been a project of his. This is also not to say it hasn’t been happening via other routes.
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yeah Dugin was put out there as one of the people involved in funneling support into various far right movements, but yeah overall it's very chicken or the egg
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MrMojok posted:Indeed. I know from seeing the things you’ve said on these forums for years that we are about the same age, and grew up in the same Soviet-hating environment. Hell, I joined the USMC right after high school in 1987, and most everything we did was training to fight the Soviets in Europe, and I despised them back then, as did most everyone else. The important part people overlook is just how deeply the 1990s nationalist take was about the victory lap for winning the cold war. The Soviet Union fell apart, the communists are gone, Russia is democratic and capitalist and Gorby himself sells pizza now. Obviously they're still a rival power and all so if you're all RAH AMERICA they should know their place, but it's not like China which is still claiming to be communist (while visibly also getting capitalist as gently caress.) The Putin era changed things gradually, and caused a split between the parts of the right that see Russia as an opponent of America and those who see common cause in a country that's further along the militaristic culture war kleptocracy path Republicans are trending toward, but both of them are fully aware that the commies there are beaten and that any glorification of the USSR or Stalin on Putin's end is just appeal to the days of strength and empire. The only people who still genuinely associate Russia with communism on a deeper level than the  emote seem to be the ones who think anyone that idolizes Stalin can't be all bad.
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Killer robot posted:The important part people overlook is just how deeply the 1990s nationalist take was about the victory lap for winning the cold war. The Soviet Union fell apart, the communists are gone, Russia is democratic and capitalist and Gorby himself sells pizza now. I think you are right, it was a big nationalist victory lap. And the 1990s, which were my 20s, seemed almost glorious. No one my age or my parents' age had lived in an era where there wasn't any fear of open conflict/possible nuclear war. The '91 Gulf War, which I participated in, seemed to cement the US as the dominant world power at the time. I was still in the Marines until late '98, and not having the big Soviet boogeyman around anymore changed a lot of things. It was kind of like, what do we prepare for now? Nobody at the time ever envisioned anything like the GWOT, and there was no real peer adversary left. I think it's partially because I was in my 20s, which is a fun time for most people, and partially due to the situation then, but the 90s seemed almost... tranquil, if you were a US citizen. LA riots, economy, and some other things aside. But really, the 90s were a kind of Indian Summer, leading up to 9/11, where the real face of the modern age in this country would begin to reveal itself. By 2001 I was out of the USMC and also old enough to look at current events like an adult, and I knew on 9/11 that things had changed, and the world had changed, irrevocably. And you are absolutely dead-on about the right's militaristic culture war kleptocracy path thing.
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Killer robot posted:The Soviet Union fell apart, the communists are gone, Russia is democratic and capitalist and Gorby himself sells pizza now. He doesn't sell poo poo anymore he dead
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MrMojok posted:I think you are right, it was a big nationalist victory lap. And the 1990s, which were my 20s, seemed almost glorious. No one my age or my parents' age had lived in an era where there wasn't any fear of open conflict/possible nuclear war. The '91 Gulf War, which I participated in, seemed to cement the US as the dominant world power at the time. I was still in the Marines until late '98, and not having the big Soviet boogeyman around anymore changed a lot of things. It was kind of like, what do we prepare for now? Nobody at the time ever envisioned anything like the GWOT, and there was no real peer adversary left. Put me down as feeling like the 90's were a sort of peak for things being pretty OK within my lifetime. Like you said, poo poo wasn't perfect but we seemed fairly prosperous, mostly at peace and it seemed like most things were affordable if you had a relatively decent job. Again, as you mentioned, could be naivety and rose tinted glasses of being young, etc. but that period seemed lacking the sense of existential dread that dominates most other decades. Even my work experiences were radically different. I received yearly bonuses, incentives, pay raises, was treated professionally, paid decently, trained well and seemed to have a lot of opportunities at my disposal. Going to the office now is nothing like it was then and I can confidently state that me being in my 20's isn't coloring this particular memory. Sorry...kind of a derail but maybe also a lot of Americans feel angry, hopeless, defeated and frustrated precisely because of this dramatic shift in hard work/reward ratio. I certainly think this is true.
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BiggerBoat posted:Put me down as feeling like the 90's were a sort of peak for things being pretty OK within my lifetime. The 90s were the only time in living memory when the world had a true hegemon - and it was the US. The USSR had collapsed in rather spectacular fashion, and was largely cooperating with the US to get its poo poo together. Al Qaeda wasn't on most folks' radar, and China was still figuring its poo poo out. It was a very comfortable time to be an American, and the illusion was completely shattered by 9/11. If you were growing up in the 1990s, 9/11 was probably a major wake up call.
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Shooting Blanks posted:It was a very comfortable time to be an American, and the illusion was completely shattered by 9/11. If you were growing up in the 1990s, 9/11 was probably a major wake up call. Definitely. It was also compounded by the incredibly stupid decision to invade Iraq in response and the even stupider massive amount of public support for it. I was devastated but also optimistic about the country being able to handle it, inspired somewhat by the (brief) sense of unity and then was just baffled by the entire response and what I consider the exploitation and hijacking of american patriotism by the right. All that Toby Keith poo poo and being called a terrorist supporter for questioning the war and what not. I felt like I was on a different planet. BiggerBoat fucked around with this message at 14:11 on Jan 11, 2023 |
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BiggerBoat posted:Definitely. It was also compounded by the incredibly stupid decision to invade Iraq in response and the even stupider massive amount of public support for it. I was devastated but also optimistic about the country being able to handle it, inspired somewhat by the (brief) sense of unity and then was just baffled by the entire response and what I consider the exploitation and hijacking of american patriotism by the right. The war was an excuse for the single largest transfer of wealth to corporations and the rich since Vietnam. And that's saying a lot. We didn't "waste billions in Iraq." We sent it to the wealthy, right here at home. There was a reason why the right got so bent out of shape at "No Blood For Oil."
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Alkydere posted:Re: the lost boomers/Qultists. While trying to not get bogged down too much into generation chat I saw Mechanical Ape talk about the Cold War. I always here "Why are Boomers such a mess" "Leaded gas" "LOL" all these days and what I don't really see a lot about is how the Cold War probably hosed up a lot of people around the time. I was born in 87 so I never really got to experience the mess of it, but looking back at the world of someone born in the late 40's or 50's grew up into.
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R.A. Wilson, 'Prometheus Rising' posted:In the 1970s, I simply did not recognize the extent to which the 1960s "youth revolution" had terrified our ruling Elite, or that they would try to prevent future upsurges of radical Utopianism by deliberately "dumbing down" the educational system. What they have produced, the so-called Generation X, must rank as not only the most ignorant but also the most paranoid and depressive kids ever to infest our Republic. These kids not only don't know anything; they don't even want to know... They only realize, vaguely, that somebody has screwed them out of something, but they don't have enough zest or bile to try to find out who screwed them and what they were screwed out of.
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Automata 10 Pack posted:What's interesting is that Gen Xers saw the end to a lot of those panics. Crime waves, cold wars, nuclear armageddon, satanism, I wonder if it instilled a sense of skepticism towards stuff like climate change, or the covid epidemic, or late stage capitalism? lol at Xers being wrong at classic evergreen tropes/archetypes of war, famine , and plague not being real or things anymore. (oh and Xer's themselve being a trope as a reaction to those things)
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Automata 10 Pack posted:What's interesting is that Gen Xers saw the end to a lot of those panics. Crime waves, cold wars, nuclear armageddon, satanism, I wonder if it instilled a sense of skepticism towards stuff like climate change, or the covid epidemic, or late stage capitalism? It's the opposite. They grew up in their teens during the 80's, with all of those panics being fed to them via the advent of the TV news cycle. They are still hopelessly addicted to that same news cycle telling them that covid and climate change aren't real, and believe it because it provides them comfort.
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Fritz the Horse posted:dunno why we're veering off into Gen X chat in this, the Jan 6th hearings thread Probably because the Jan 6 Committee is disbanded
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Xombie posted:It's the opposite. They grew up in their teens during the 80's, with all of those panics being fed to them via the advent of the TV news cycle. They are still hopelessly addicted to that same news cycle telling them that covid and climate change aren't real, and believe it because it provides them comfort. Maybe you don't realize this but as you said we were all hitting our teens in the 80s and we were all thinking about one thing. It was not the 24-hour cable news cycle nor anyone's satanic panic. Not one of us was thinking about denying climate change. Wow are you wrong. Like, so very haplessly incorrect. Rust Martialis posted:Probably because the Jan 6 Committee is disbanded
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Rust Martialis posted:Probably because the Jan 6 Committee is disbanded Has Trump been arrested yet?
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PhazonLink posted:There's 20 days left in the month, maybe Bannon and the Mercers will try to do other Jan Insurrections. So Bannon is what, 0 for 2 now? Or are there more I'm not remembering.
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