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Charlz Guybon posted:I wonder what they found out that convinced them to throw him under the bus? This twitter account definitely looks like a conspiracy theory account. Surprisingly enough, it looks like this news is true, but I beg you to never get any of your news from a Twitter account that is not associated with any news source and has a weird cropped screenshot as its "source". As far as the story itself, it's just the local GOP party. Until the national Republican party starts speaking out/taking action, Santos won't have to worry about being forced out of office. Kalit fucked around with this message at 14:10 on Jan 11, 2023 |
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Yeah, I was probably overstating that. Uhhhh, yeah whatever that's close enough to correct for you. The MLW lawsuit is the anti-trust one and the concussion/injuries one pretty much has nowhere to go at this point. Really it's all less about the company being in trouble and more about Vince McMahon losing the reins. He forced himself back into the board since he was majority share holder to set up the deal, the company is now going private, and he's likely taking back day to day operations. He found himself a buyer to own his company while he pretends he's still the owner. It's probably going to be very funny. This is probably also a blessing for a lot of people involved in WWE right now as a public company if they do take it private again.
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Nenonen posted:Can't do anything about an elected congressman, but you will need to start fundraising for 2024 and it's better to distance yourself from the rotten egg as much as you can to assure donors that it won't happen again? If he's not forced to resign by the national party, I'd be shocked if the local GOP party still opposes him in 6 months. Or if any previous donors even remembers/cares about this.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Yeah, I was probably overstating that. The shareholder lawsuits/complaints were about a) Vince's hush money payments and b) delays in payments for the Saudi shows, both of which had been resolved as of last month by Vince resigning and KSA paying them eventually. The new lawsuits for sexual harassment/assault were going after Vince as an individual, not WWE as a company. The antitrust lawsuit was filed a year ago and has some legs potentially, WWE is currently trying to stop discovery on it. That is the MLW lawsuit I can't find any gender discrimination lawsuit on the books outside of some wrestlers talking about filing one almost ten years ago. The CTE cases have all been dismissed/settled over the years, and the ADA case was settled in 2020. There may well be some SEC investigations and shareholder/firm issues, but again, those are pretty much 100% about Vince McMahon's misappropriating funds for hush money, not anything else. And throughout all of this they're seeing record profits. I think everyone not named Vince McMahon was happy to let everything continue along with financial success and not creating any new scandals (the MLW case is ongoing but again, was filed before Vince left) is not in response to bankruptcy, falling share prices, falling profits, or anything other than "Vince McMahon decided he wanted to come back, forced his way back when the board said no, and is probably selling/going private with KSA money because they don't care what Vince gets up to in the way that shareholders/Comcast/Fox/etc. might (might)."
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Also none of it is official yet for the sale and a couple people have walked back their scoops. The original tweet Leon posted is gone. Anyways this is it for Gumball talking wrestling here instead of PSP.
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Edge & Christian posted:I think it's less "the company was in real trouble and needs Vince back" and more "Vince was in real trouble, resigned, and now has decided he doesn't care and wants to be back." I don't think most of what you listed are active investigations/lawsuits, and the active ones are overwhelming Vince-related: Thanks for the great post. You're right. I was conflating "Vince McMahon" with "the company." Although, if this all does go through and he ends up in back in charge of a new private WWE, then it looks like Vince really does effectively have control over the company and is practically untouchable by everyone else in the organization. He initially had to go because of all those lawsuits and investigations, but it ultimately doesn't really matter if he can force himself back in as CEO and get bailed out by the Saudis. Gumball Gumption posted:Also none of it is official yet for the sale and a couple people have walked back their scoops. The original tweet Leon posted is gone. Anyways this is it for Gumball talking wrestling here instead of PSP. Feel free to keep posting. That is really interesting. I don't know much about the internal drama at the WWE outside of the recent news articles about it. And they generally just provide a brief overview and a list of pending litigation. All the extra context and specifics really helps.
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Also, the original scoop said it was already sold to Saudi Arabia. But, a different wrestling journalist has said that they have an "agreement in principle," but have not yet actually sold because there are requirements to notify shareholders and the SEC prior to selling. The company is still public as of now. https://twitter.com/Casshooole/status/1613045348930289671
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Genuinely can't imagine why Mike Pence thinks this is a good idea. https://twitter.com/costareports/status/1613146598929752064 Even if he gets some kind of ideal black swan scenario where Trump actually bombs with the Republican primary electorate, DeSantis doesn't run, and all the last-minute "savior" candidates like Ted Cruz or Mitt Romney decide not to run, I have to believe that Pence would still crash and burn. About 40% of the base hates him and he's not so overwhelmingly popular that he is going to lock up nearly all of the other 60%.
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He’s probably not even going to make the top 3 of a 2024 primary
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Doesn't a large chunk of his potential voters still want to hang him?
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Genuinely can't imagine why Mike Pence thinks this is a good idea. Running for office is probably very lucrative? You don't even need to win to come out fairly wealthy.
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Shammypants posted:Running for office is probably very lucrative? You don't even need to win to come out fairly wealthy. It's very lucrative if you can parlay the notoriety into something else afterwards. You don't get to keep any of your campaign contributions. And presidential campaign finance accounts are much more highly scrutinized for shenanigans. You can pay to fly yourself around and stay in hotels while campaigning and you can maybe funnel a tiny amount of money in residuals back to yourself by writing a book and then buying 10k copies to give out. But, that's not really a great return on investment.
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I mean anybody who actually makes it to Governor/VP/that general level is probably a little narcissistic or whatever right? He probably still thinks he's a Man Of Destiny so he is required to be out there on that stage. It's fate. It's God's Plan, whatever you want to say.
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"I'm going to put myself in front of the Republican electorate!", says man who the Republican electorate tried to execute
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I've read a few articles on the subject and even the people who are nominally Pence's "allies" or confidants have all been saying "we have no idea what Mike thinks his lane is or how he thinks there's a viable path for him." I think the God's Plan mindset is probably the best explanation.
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Timmy Age 6 posted:I've read a few articles on the subject and even the people who are nominally Pence's "allies" or confidants have all been saying "we have no idea what Mike thinks his lane is or how he thinks there's a viable path for him." I think the God's Plan mindset is probably the best explanation.
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Timmy Age 6 posted:I've read a few articles on the subject and even the people who are nominally Pence's "allies" or confidants have all been saying "we have no idea what Mike thinks his lane is or how he thinks there's a viable path for him." I think the God's Plan mindset is probably the best explanation. I mean he was picked to shore up the evangelical vote so in his mind he might think he can pick them off and once the American people see the calm leadership he brings he will gain momentum. It's crazy and ludicrous to think since he doesn't realize the Evangelical movement doesn't care but you know.
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Mooseontheloose posted:I mean he was picked to shore up the evangelical vote so in his mind he might think he can pick them off and once the American people see the calm leadership he brings he will gain momentum. Could be a true believer whack job convinced God's hand has been guiding him and wants him to do this blah blah. That's how I interpret such an idiotic move at least.
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Mooseontheloose posted:I mean he was picked to shore up the evangelical vote so in his mind he might think he can pick them off and once the American people see the calm leadership he brings he will gain momentum. He's also likely using the thinking that "anything could happen" after Trump winning and Biden being resurrected off one win. It's crazy thinking and fundamentally fails to understand why we've been on a bit of a Chaos Reigns kick since we took that escalator to hell. However given his firm belief in insane fundy god is in control/on my sideism, his noted lack of intelligence, and the RESISTANCE support he got after doing the right thing one time in his life, you can see the very wrong and stupid logic chain that he's hanging the conclusion that he should run on.
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Timmy Age 6 posted:I've read a few articles on the subject and even the people who are nominally Pence's "allies" or confidants have all been saying "we have no idea what Mike thinks his lane is or how he thinks there's a viable path for him." I think the God's Plan mindset is probably the best explanation. It's weird, this is likely one of the few people who actually spent time over the holiday waiting for god to speak to him or some such poo poo.
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Eric Cantonese posted:I am probably missing something by not tracking right wing media very often, but it seems like Biden's classified document mixup hasn't really blown up. Am I being overly optimistic? Is this too early in the normal scandal life/death cycle? Maybe it's because I don't pay attention to TV News anymore but at least on Twitter it doesn't seem like it's caught fire the way "but her emails" did
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There was an attempt but I think it died down because it just made Trump look even worse with even a casual reading of it.
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Mike Pence going after that all-important Lincoln Project demographic.
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The Pence/Sinema ticket will unify the reasonable center of both parties in true maverick unity and win, probably.
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Eric Cantonese posted:I am probably missing something by not tracking right wing media very often, but it seems like Biden's classified document mixup hasn't really blown up. Am I being overly optimistic? Is this too early in the normal scandal life/death cycle? It's probably just too early, but I'm hoping that it's more because of how both people handled their respective incidents. Biden: Immediately returned the documents on learning of their existence Trump: Did literally everything but Immediately return them.
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Cheesus posted:I really want to believe that Democrats are smart enough to see that irresistible, shiny, red button being far more advantageous to them if they ignore it and leave it for Republicans to use and hang their own necks. Yes, because if there's one thing we've all learned about politics, it's that republicans will absolutely never  the hell out of that button and then campaign on promising not to be button-mashers like the Dems were.
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Timmy Age 6 posted:I've read a few articles on the subject and even the people who are nominally Pence's "allies" or confidants have all been saying "we have no idea what Mike thinks his lane is or how he thinks there's a viable path for him." I think the God's Plan mindset is probably the best explanation. Maybe he thinks Trump will be charged with something bad enough that he'll be able to rebrand as a #Resistance hero who fought to restrain Trump? Maybe he thinks he can run as the successor to Trump's legacy? Maybe he thinks he can thread the needle as a compromise between those two factions? Sure, his chances look dicey no matter which path he chooses. But he obviously really wants to be president. And if he doesn't at least give it a shot, then having suffered through four years as Trump's VP would have been for nothing. Eric Cantonese posted:I am probably missing something by not tracking right wing media very often, but it seems like Biden's classified document mixup hasn't really blown up. Am I being overly optimistic? Is this too early in the normal scandal life/death cycle? It was never likely to attract much notice outside of the right-wing outrage-o-sphere. The big issue with Trump wasn't that he took files, it was his reluctance to fully cooperate with authorities when they found out.
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The level of self-delusion you'd need to be a True Believer wealthy Evangelical is compatible with the level you'd need to think Pence could get anywhere in the Republican Primary. Pence wasn't even liked in rural Indiana, which is very much a conservative hellhole.
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Gyges posted:He's also likely using the thinking that "anything could happen" after Trump winning and Biden being resurrected off one win. the_steve posted:Yes, because if there's one thing we've all learned about politics, it's that republicans will absolutely never
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Randalor posted:It's probably just too early, but I'm hoping that it's more because of how both people handled their respective incidents. This. I've seen it repeated here and elsewhere that mishandling classified documents only becomes a major problem if: 1. It was intentional. 2. The individual(s) tried to hide the mishandling. 3. They aren't returned ASAP upon discovery. Of course there is always nuance - but generally speaking, if you're in a position to mishandle documents, everyone wants you to simply return them and cooperate to make sure nothing else has been removed/retained. If the FBI/NSA go after everyone who does it, intentionally or not, they provide an incentive to hide or destroy the docs.
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