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forkboy84 posted:https://twitter.com/bealelab/status/1613115100763668484?t=oWInuZtD6xSESZ_bOKtk_w&s=19 Isn't he the one who got kicked out of the family business , lied under oath and now has close to a £m in legal fees?
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“Only call 999 if you are dying” seems an excellent summation of where this country is at
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smellmycheese posted:“Only call 999 if you are dying” Or, preferably, dead already.
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Brexit:smellmycheese posted:“Only call 999 if you are dying”
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Mega Comrade posted:Isn't he the one who got kicked out of the family business , lied under oath and now has close to a £m in legal fees?
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Jan 11, 2023 17:12
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I'm pretty sure you can call 999 and if they don't have an ambulance they just won't send you one.
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Jan 11, 2023 17:15
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Failed Imagineer posted:OpenAI refused to generate me "Portrait of Boris Johnson in the style of Tom of Finland". I tire of the petty moralisation of our AI overlords  Private Speech posted:On the newer V2 one they pruned the data set by using another AI trained on figuring out what is "erotic", but by all accounts it was way overzealous, leading to some weird gaps (but it did successfully make it innocent as to nude humans).
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smellmycheese posted:“Only call 999 if you are dying” seems an excellent summation of where this country is at during the strike you had senior professionals at trusts panicking because they were seeing call rates drop up to 70% across the country, and going to every press outlet that would have them to say how dangerous this was when most of the population of any given country will have absolutely no idea what a lot of life-threatening medical emergencies look like Spangly A fucked around with this message at 17:28 on Jan 11, 2023 |
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Jan 11, 2023 17:24
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Yes but if telling people not to call 999 leads to a lot of unnecessary deaths, that can be blamed on the strikers, so there are no downsides.
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Jan 11, 2023 17:25
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OwlFancier posted:Yes but if telling people not to call 999 leads to a lot of unnecessary deaths, that can be blamed on the strikers, so there are no downsides. im glad that we've moved beyond focus group politics and are now in an era where politicians will get told they're being blamed for a crisis and respond by telling the public that actually, it's a lot worse than they think e; except sunak of course, because he's responding by saying that everyone is imagining it
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Jan 11, 2023 17:31
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I think it's probably that the people in government are idiots and are thus having exactly the same counterproductive-but-intuitive thoughts as random members of the public, and are then repeating them as if they are correct because obviously they had them and therefore they must be good. So it's like if the politician simply was made of focus group, like they took the focus group of gibbering pillocks, melted them into a vat and cast a politician out of them, and rather than needing to conduct focus groups to simulate a normal human response, they simply offer responses with the effortless ease of your idiot uncle who knows everything about any given subject immediately. And then if anyone, or reality itself, contradicts them they interpret that as not only a personal attack but an attack on the core british value of common sense which they embody. And then immediately search for someone else to blame for why they are wrong.
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Everyone should be calling for everything, and then they can be actually triaged. But that would be prioritising outcomes instead of siphoning money. It's not like paramedics are just waiting to take you to the hospital. You'd think so. But they aren't. They're trying to not take you to the hospital. I've had times where when I get to the hospital I'm literally dying and end up with a months long hospital stay, but the paramedics were trying to give me ibuprofen and telling me "everyone gets a tummy ache sometimes". I'm sick of medical professionals telling me to forgive other medical professionals. It's the same with GPs. A lot of GPs have no loving clue about your problem, and that's absolutely fine, it's not their job to know literally everything in every medical field, it's their job to send you on to someone who does know those specialties. But I've had GPs telling me "everyone has pain sometimes, what do you want me to do about it?" or "you're too young for that kind of problem" where later, surprise surprise, I should have been sent to a specialist straight away. This attitude of trying to minimise NHS use is going to cost the country far more in the long run. How many people who "aren't dying" are going to refuse to call 999 and then end up with lifelong health problems because of it?
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Bobby Deluxe posted:Didn't they have to do that because so many people were using it to draw big tiddy anime, it was starting to find tiddies even when not requested? 
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EmptyVessel posted:Oh hey, absolutely nothing to apologise for at all. Sorry I poked you while you were feeling tender. I hope you can cope okay with the funeral, I'll pour one out on your behalf tonight. Good, and thanks  Relieved after I was being such a snippy arsehole.Funeral was for a close friend's dad and was really... comforting...(?) if that doesn't sound too odd. Lots of grieving, of course, but also celebratory of his life. And don't put yourself down re: your posts, dude!
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Brendan Rodgers posted:Everyone should be calling for everything, and then they can be actually triaged. But that would be prioritising outcomes instead of siphoning money. Yes they are trying to not take you to the hospital because a lot of people don't need to go and it causes huge queues when they are needlessly taken. The same for specialists. Everyone relies on A&E for everything, why? Because every other service has been either closed or gutted to the point its useless.
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Mega Comrade posted:Yes they are trying to not take you to the hospital because a lot of people don't need to go and it causes huge queues when they are needlessly taken. The same for specialists. Well yeah that's kinda my point, it's not like you call 999 and then get teleported to one of these hospital beds. You start a process that has multiple stages of trying to filter you out. Everyone should call for everything, and everything should be triaged. I don't care if someone phones them asking for a bacon bap. Pay more people to answer phones then, you don't need more doctors for that.
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That's what 111 is for though. That service exists.
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Mega Comrade posted:That's what 111 is for though. That services exists. That service seemingly exists to tell you to call 999.
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Jan 11, 2023 18:09
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Yes 111 is flawed and far to often sends people to A&E. But thats an issue with that service. I don't think changing a service intended for emergencies to be an 'everything' service is appropriate. A person in an actual emergency doesn't have time to sit in a queue. Someone who has less severe issues maybe does and 111 is more appropriate, even if they get routed to A&E in the end.
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Brendan Rodgers posted:But I've had GPs telling me "everyone has pain sometimes, what do you want me to do about it?" or "you're too young for that kind of problem" where later, surprise surprise, I should have been sent to a specialist straight away. It doesn't help though that I also panic like hell over things that turn out to be relatively minor - the amount of times I've gone in for chest pain that's turned out to be nothing means that I have lost any kind of subjectivity over how important a symptom might be.
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Which AI did that?
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The one in his head.
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Dead Goon posted:Autechre released their debut album in 1993. Autechre just put up a 5+ hour mix of “stuff that was around at the time” artificial intelligence came out, it rules: https://autechre.mixlr.com/recordings/1977679 It’s way more accessible than most Autechre too, if anyone’s tastes skew more towards Orbital
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Mega Comrade posted:Yes 111 is flawed and far to often sends people to A&E. But thats an issue with that service. I don't think changing a service intended for emergencies to be an 'everything' service is appropriate. If you have a way to reliably separate the people having an actual emergency from those who are not without testing equipment and someone competent to operate it, you can grab an easy Nobel Prize for it.
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Wait a while, if they're dead it was probably an emergency *wins Nobel Prize in economics*
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endlessmonotony posted:If you have a way to reliably separate the people having an actual emergency from those who are not without testing equipment and someone competent to operate it, you can grab an easy Nobel Prize for it. You can't. But you can encourage people to use their own decision making skills to decide. And when the number of highly trained medical phone responders is limited, it seems pretty common sense to me to have them on a special line for those who feel they urgently need to speak to someone, separated from those who aren't sure what's wrong but would like some advice.
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Mega Comrade posted:You can't. But you can encourage people to use their own decision making skills to decide. Your idea of common sense lacks sense. That is exactly why you need emergency services capable of filtering.
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franco posted:Good, and thanks Doesn't sound odd at all, it's how a funeral should be imo. Admittedly I do have a very high bar for funerals ever since the one for my best friend from Uni. He knew it was coming so he planned the whole thing out; recording mix tapes to be played throughout the wake and giving a detailed schedule of games to be played ie. "everyone present must play the 'passing a balloon without using your hands' game", "minimum of 12 people have to now play a mass game of twister" and a lot more. Possibly the most life affirming event I've every been at. And at the other end of the spectrum... Two minute hate figure of the moment: Michelle Donelan for her utterly ignorant and shite opinions on the Parthenon marbles (they are not a "part of our (British) culture" you vapid twat) and standing up for Clarksons "freedom of speech" right to spew hate about Megan. Evil thought for the day: Yon prince Harry better stop pissing and moaning about his 'spare-ness' or the Gods will pull the monkey paw gambit and Wills and his kids will get an unfortunate accident to give us future King Harry the Hubristic. (Note for GCHQ: This is a thought experiment based on Greek Tragedy and not a sincere wish for the death of two young children and their dad.)
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endlessmonotony posted:Your idea of common sense lacks sense. And we do, 111 and 999 both do those things. I don't understand the point you're trying to make.
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endlessmonotony posted:If you have a way to reliably separate the people having an actual emergency from those who are not without testing equipment and someone competent to operate it, you can grab an easy Nobel Prize for it. It's called experience. Whether it's a 111 nurse, 999 call handler, GP, A&E triage nurse or even specialist consultant. Unfortunately experience is not something you can train and no amount of flowcharts can substitute for it. When you start driving more experienced (read: expensive) staff out of these positions and replace them with hastily recruited randos, you lose all the institutional knowledge to train the newbies and it has to be rebuilt from scratch (or never, if the staffing pool is a constant churn of zero-hours contracts) The aforementioned posters advice about "Call 999 for everything" will just result in massive pressure on the system because these barely trained call handlers won't know how to separate idiots who stubbed their toes after a drunken night out and someone who's toe has gone ischaemic and is a few hours from gangrene. Some degree of personal responsibility and discretion must be exercised. You plan for some unnecessary calls because that's reality and being sensible gives allowance for the people whom "Call 999 for everything" is the only reasonable advice they can be given.
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EmptyVessel posted:Two minute hate figure of the moment: Michelle Donelan for her utterly ignorant and shite opinions on the Parthenon marbles (they are not a "part of our (British) culture" you vapid twat) The best thing about that was when she said “it’ll open up a can of worms and there might be nothing left in our museums” Soooooooo close to getting it
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Mega Comrade posted:And we do, 111 and 999 both do those things. I don't understand the point you're trying to make. It's that you don't actually have a point. The problem in the system is it's underfunded. People calling in to ask questions means they get redirected to people who can make that assessment, meaning there's nothing wrong with 111 as it is, and the calls to 999 are also almost always appropriate. All the changes you could make without spending more money on hiring more people would just make the situation worse. Common sense is usually useless. That's just common sense.
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NotJustANumber99 posted:Is casualty still on telly? How are they handling it? It's been reclassed as a science fiction program now.
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Scientastic posted:The best thing about that was when she said “it’ll open up a can of worms and there might be nothing left in our museums” Oh I'm pretty sure she gets it, just filtered through that hosed up Imperial British form of exceptionalism. " We have the right to these because we stole them from those inferior types, you know the ones". Tories living up to their name (original Irish flavour).
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endlessmonotony posted:It's that you don't actually have a point.  I'm saying we shouldn't change it... I think you are confusing me with the other poster who suggested everything should go through 999 perhaps?
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Bobby Deluxe posted:I hate you, I hate AI and I hate that I knew the right combination of bullshit to produce this: Nah it doesn't actually learn, the stable diffusion model is fixed unless you specifically train it on some new input (not output) images - it's literally a big file full of numbers on your hard drive that doesn't change. In fact I'm pretty sure none of the popular AI learn, because the input data from users would be incredibly biased and pretty meaningless - even ChatGPT is literally inputting in your whole conversation again each time, which is why there are limits on length. Private Speech fucked around with this message at 21:21 on Jan 11, 2023 |
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You could make a credible argument that stealing things is british culture and that if you gave back all the things that were stolen there would be very little material record of anything the UK achieved in the past couple hundred years. Perhaps the museums could do theme days for every "celebration of independence from the UK" day around the world. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 21:12 on Jan 11, 2023 |
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I thought we didn't believe in nation States or inheritance anyway? Whose to say who owns these ancient treasures? Put them all in landfill, we've got far superior AI art now anyway. Plug a 3d printer into dalle and have it do some new lost marbles.
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