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Shooting Blanks posted:This. I've seen it repeated here and elsewhere that mishandling classified documents only becomes a major problem if: Upon discovery, the documents should have been shredded and the witnesses be disposed of without any traces. Now the cops are on Biden, he will have to go out with guns blazing 
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Barbara Lee is running for Senate in California. Lee is a strong progressive, but will also be almost 80 when she is sworn in. The "good" news is that Feinstein was relatively bad for a California Senator and all the names announced so far would be strict improvements. Adam Schiff also (basically) confirmed he is planning on running. Feinstein must have either given some private indication that plans to retire or else everyone just feels like the new jungle primary means now is the time to try and force her out. https://twitter.com/nicholaswu12/status/1613230837033492487 Edit: Apparently, Feinstein still has not told anyone if she will retire or not (as of about 3 weeks ago). https://twitter.com/nicholaswu12/status/1613243877363703813 Leon Trotsky 2012 fucked around with this message at 19:58 on Jan 11, 2023 |
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Kale posted:Pence was only ever the pick at a time when the campaign figured that they needed the generic rank and file Christian conservative to appeal to enough GOP voters for Trump to have a chancd in the general before they realized that Trump was the absolute show with the GOP base and everyone else was effectively dead weight the GOP base barely gave two shits about unless they acted as much like him as possible. The Trump team thought there was no way Evangelicals wouldn't be at least a little uncomfortable with someone so obviously against literally everything Christ stood for, but that just shows they didn't understand Evangelicals.
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Jan 11, 2023 20:07
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Jaxyon posted:The level of self-delusion you'd need to be a True Believer wealthy Evangelical is compatible with the level you'd need to think Pence could get anywhere in the Republican Primary.
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Jan 11, 2023 20:14
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Paracaidas posted:And if Pence can find a large group of Republicans almost absent from the earliest states but powerful in many early states that no other viable candidates try to win, he too may be able to replicate Biden's path to victory! The right has been preaching that Democrats are stealth commie socialists for so long that they are unable to see the actual structure of the Democratic Party. As a result they think Bernie, The Squad, and other such people are mainstream members of the party and not fringe elements that those in charge wish to marginalize or excise. This causes them to view party moves in a similar light to the average voter, who doesn't see the work behind the scenes and just thinks that Biden won one real good and that made everyone else drop out. The strategists and older ghouls have a better picture, but the rock dumb members of the dominionist part of the party can't understand any nuance. Which is somewhat understandable if you live your life believing both almighty god makes everything happen just how he wants and satan randomly fucks with god's script.
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Eric Cantonese posted:I am probably missing something by not tracking right wing media very often, but it seems like Biden's classified document mixup hasn't really blown up. Am I being overly optimistic? Is this too early in the normal scandal life/death cycle? I think it's too early still. The House's entire purpose this term is to set up Spanish Inquisitions for precisely this, and this is the reddest of red meats. We'll hear way more than we want to in a few weeks or months when they subpoena Biden.
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Given Kush's hate for the NJ guy, Pence was picked because he was a warm body that was near by.
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Yeah, pence will never be prez. He definitely has multiple trusted people whispering in his ear about hoosier conservatives wresting control of the nat'l gop from the trump/qanon/insurrectionist/quisling/5th column maga republicans. Those whispering in his ear are appealing to his authentically held christian values and beliefs. The prospect of being the savior of the gop appeals deeply to that perspective. The whisperers wrote the anonymous nyt op ed that casually mentioned the 25th. Their influence, /anticipating jan 6/, assured Pence would not help Trump that day. Pence is a figurehead of this fledgeling movement, but he's not the mastermind. Watching Holcomb, Todd Young, and other Indiana Leadership will be telling. Pence may lead them to soundly reject trumpism (from a conservative christian position), which would sap enough support from the mega-church vote to undermine a comeback by the ultra-fascists. That wont be enough to win the indiana republicans control of the party - and in fact engaging the maga wing in a fight will likely proclude that possibility entitely. But pence's world view and experiences lead him to consider that outcome a win nonetheless. Hes not power-hungry (in the sense that stone, bannon and flynn are). He wants to save the party, and thus the nation, and thus christendom. He's much more intrigued by the prospect of martyrdom than, say, Sinema. He wants the history books, written by gop victors, to tell the story of how he saved the country from a fascist movement. In contrast to democrat histories painting him as a geldling that sacrificed himself to empower a gross fascist tyrant. E: Notre Dame's influence on catholic voters is relevant here, and the behavior of ND trustees is worth watching too. Uglycat fucked around with this message at 20:46 on Jan 11, 2023 |
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PhazonLink posted:Given Kush's hate for the NJ guy, Pence was picked because he was a warm body that was near by. Paul Manafort pushed Pence on Trump because Trump was looking for a Yes Man plastic toy who'd sit quietly on the shelf for 4 to 8 years and not say or do a drat thing other than "Yes, mister president." Trump wanted Christie because he was enamored with funny fat guys, and Christie was and still is an utterly baffoonish balloon of a person, but didn't get that Christie wouldn't be a stooge like Pence would, he would talk and do poo poo and gently caress up and take the spotlight off of Trump, so Manafort literally pretended that Trump's plane couldn't take off and leave Indiana in order to get him to stay at Pence's house and get him to pick Mike P.
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I wish they asked people more freeform questions like this in polls because it is always interesting and sometimes a little wild to see what random people think about policy issues or the economy. - A majority of people think we are in a recession (technically not, but if you just use it as short-hand for economic times getting rougher, then sure). - But... almost 40% of people think unemployment is as big or a bigger problem with the economy as inflation right now. And 59% (!?!) say unemployment is serious problem right now. That is completely wild. - A weirdly high number of people also say the stock market is important to how the economy impacts them. Only 13% say it is unimportant. - 5% of people think that Ukraine is an enemy of the United States and currently in conflict with us. - Only 14% are very worried about new Covid variants. - 17% of people are openly willing to say that diversity makes the U.S. "a worse place to live." - 33% think Biden has made white people's relationships with minorities worse. - 24% say that MLK Day should not be a federal holiday. - About 40% to 55% of Americans think every single issue is an important political issue. Crime and Inflation are in the 60's and no other issue falls below the 40's for "very important issues." - Kind of surprising figure: 66% of Americans are "very happy" or "happy" at their current job. - 37% of Americans think Biden did not legitimately win the 2020 election (including 4% of people who voted for Biden). https://twitter.com/daveweigel/status/1613256324107608068
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Barbara Lee is the only member of the 2001 Congress with a moral leg to stand on (I'll forgive Bernie because he owned up to being wrong and had otherwise been so right). She should be in the Senate
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Failed Imagineer posted:Barbara Lee is the only member of the 2001 Congress with a moral leg to stand on (I'll forgive Bernie because he owned up to being wrong and had otherwise been so right). She should be in the Senate I like her but she'd only be able to serve one term and even that would be pushing it.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:I wish they asked people more freeform questions like this in polls because it is always interesting and sometimes a little wild to see what random people think about policy issues or the economy. The crosstabs on a lot of these are either really interesting or really bizarre. For example, on the question about diversity, richer people (>$100k income) were more likely to say that diversity made the US worse...but they were also more likely to say that diversity made the US better. The 18-29 demographic was the second most likely to answer "worse", just one point behind the 65+ demographic. And the racial group most likely to say "worse" wasn't white people, but rather Hispanics - whites were most likely to answer "doesn't make much difference". Similarly, Hispanic respondents were most likely to answer that racism is "not a problem" in our society today. Saying that most or all issues as important when asked about them individually is pretty common. Generally, what's much more valuable is the "most important issue" question, which forces people to rank them and show what they care about the most. And in that question, the top answer by a considerable margin is inflation, followed by healthcare. Taxes, crime, and foreign policy all ranked near the bottom. But this list of priorities changes considerably if we look at individual demographics. According to this poll, Trump voters are overwhelmingly concerned about inflation, immigration, and taxes (in that order), while Biden voters are most concerned about healthcare, climate change, and inflation. Despite the Roe repeal, only two groups stood out as placing particular importance on abortion: people with six-digit incomes, and non-white people. As a last item that particularly baffles me, younger people were far more likely to say the current Supreme Court is liberal, and much less likely to say it's conservative. I know you just get weird poo poo in polls sometimes, but what the hell?
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Barbara Lee is running for Senate in California. Jungle primaries been in California for a while now. At least long enough for it to not really change the calculus. Feinstein won re-election under it so it’s already been accounted for. It’s really just that porter opened the floodgates. She didn’t really face any blowback from Schumer or Newsom for trying to take Feinsteins seat despite being high-profile enough for them to have ways to punish her so now it’s open season and people don’t have to be strategic and tactical about it.
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Second batch of Biden classified docs have been found. The right-wing sites I follow are screaming about it, but no one else seems to care. Heck, no one seems to care about Trump's documents anymore either. We have the collective memory of a goldfish.
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Youth Decay posted:I like her but she'd only be able to serve one term and even that would be pushing it. *Looks at Chuck Grassley*: hmm
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Main Paineframe posted:The crosstabs on a lot of these are either really interesting or really bizarre. Voters are idiots and young people by and large don’t pay attention to politics despite all the ‘Gen Z will save us all’ crowing. May also be sampling bias between that and the ‘diversity sucks’ answers.
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Oracle posted:Voters are idiots and young people by and large don’t pay attention to politics despite all the ‘Gen Z will save us all’ crowing. May also be sampling bias between that and the ‘diversity sucks’ answers. I want to see where the sampling was done at. If it's in the midwest or south-east in chudland then that would explain it. The openly genocidal groyper types would reply like that, and have outright said they want to take away all of trans people's rights in the past as a way to trigger people.
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Main Paineframe posted:As a last item that particularly baffles me, younger people were far more likely to say the current Supreme Court is liberal, and much less likely to say it's conservative. I know you just get weird poo poo in polls sometimes, but what the hell? Here's a hint: Young people are incredibly stupid.
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Charliegrs posted:Here's a hint: Young people are incredibly stupid. I mean, if it's certain right wing groups then it's more open malice via sadism than anything else. Hard to say which it is without knowing more.
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BIG FLUFFY DOG posted:Jungle primaries been in California for a while now. At least long enough for it to not really change the calculus. Feinstein won re-election under it so it’s already been accounted for. It’s really just that porter opened the floodgates. She didn’t really face any blowback from Schumer or Newsom for trying to take Feinsteins seat despite being high-profile enough for them to have ways to punish her so now it’s open season and people don’t have to be strategic and tactical about it.
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FlamingLiberal posted:I really thought there was an article last month saying that Feinstein was going to not run for re-election but was going to stay in the seat until the end of her term She filed her re-election paperwork two years ago.
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I feel like this is a sufficiently political current event: back in 2022, at Hamline University, a fairly obscure Minnesotan institution with a large Muslim student population, an adjunct professor of art history showed her students a picture of Muhammad. She warned students on the syllabus and during the lecture, and gave them every chance to look away, but one business major still beheld the hideous blasphemy and complained to the manager about it. The university immediately called the professor an Islamophobe and declined to renew her adjunct contract. Here's one of many articles about it: https://www.cbsnews.com/minnesota/news/academic-freedom-questioned-after-image-of-prophet-muhammad-shown-in-hamline-university-art-class/ In my opinion, the students who are pissed shouldn't be pissed, but they're early 20-somethings who belong to a despised and targeted ethnic-religious cohort so it's easy to understand why they'd be so sensitive to any potential insult. It's the university's job to make the students feel heard while maintaining the professor's right to use whatever instructional materials are appropriate. They hosed up and I hope there are serious consequences because academic freedom is a right earned by and for laborers.
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Anybody whining about blasphemy should be ignored.
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Lol https://twitter.com/NoLieWithBTC/status/1613282330323607552
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I think we all have a George Santos in our lives.
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Civilized Fishbot posted:I feel like this is a sufficiently political current event: back in 2022, at Hamline University, a fairly obscure Minnesotan institution with a large Muslim student population, an adjunct professor of art history showed her students a picture of Muhammad. She warned students on the syllabus and during the lecture, and gave them every chance to look away, but one business major still beheld the hideous blasphemy and complained to the manager about it. The university immediately called the professor an Islamophobe and declined to renew her adjunct contract. The student is also the president of the Muslim student association. It appears likely that they attended the class with the goal of ending the practice/getting the instructor removed. As per the article, CAIR's state organ had an immediate press statement, but a review of their press materials and recent activity suggests they're unlikely to be sophisticated enough to have arranged this themselves.
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I love it, go big or go home
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HPanda posted:I think we all have a George Santos in our lives. He has so much "Uncle at Nintendo" energy. They usually grow out of it!
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george santos used strength on the truck and found mew
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HPanda posted:I think we all have a George Santos in our lives. Kevin, just remember...it's not a lie if you believe it.
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I think the issue I have with educational matters is balancing pertinence to the curriculum and creating access for students. I don't really love a teacher choosing to present a piece of art knowing a lot of their class can't engage in the art, limiting their access. And you functionally get caught in a catch-22 with this. Either the professor had a major piece of the curriculum which some of your students can't access in which case the question becomes is there another way to deliver the intended teaching points or it's not a minor feature of the curriculum in which case, is accommodating and not including it, reasonable? You can make the argument that there is clear warning with the syllabus, but I'm not sure that I fully buy into that. There have been similar cases of transphobic professors making their preferences for not using pronouns that differ form perceived gender. Beyond any correct beliefs about how gender works, the issue is that the professor is creating an environment that limits access to students. Of course there is a reasonability of accommodation, but I think I would want more context. Moral panics have been driven by vague attacks on educational freedom while ignoring the nuances of what actually happened.
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ok so as far as we know, George Santos (if that is even his real name) has never told the truth ever. He might actually have beaten both Hulk Hogan and Tommy Tallarico in terms of absolutely nuts pathological lying.
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George Santos read the quote about how you can lie to all of the people some of the time or lie to some of the people all of the time, but you can't lie to all of the people all of the time. He disagreed.
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Timeless Appeal posted:I think the issue I have with educational matters is balancing pertinence to the curriculum and creating access for students. I don't really love a teacher choosing to present a piece of art knowing a lot of their class can't engage in the art, limiting their access. And you functionally get caught in a catch-22 with this. Either the professor had a major piece of the curriculum which some of your students can't access in which case the question becomes is there another way to deliver the intended teaching points or it's not a minor feature of the curriculum in which case, is accommodating and not including it, reasonable? Just as an FYI, there was more warning than only in the syllabus. The linked article is pretty vague and states: quote:Dr. Erika López Prater, an adjunct professor at Hamline, says she had previously warned students in the syllabus and in class that images of holy figures, including the Prophet Muhammad and the Buddha, would be presented. For a little more specifics on what the in class warning was, you can find it in this local article: quote:On the syllabus, López Prater noted she would show images of religious figures — listing the Prophet Muhammad, Jesus Christ and the Buddha as examples — and encouraged students to reach out to her with concerns. She said none did.
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Thanks, those are actually pretty significant facts.
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I take back it not being a planned action by CAIR-MN; I hadn't realized the student's comments were delivered at a CAIR-MN press event. This video was actually linked in the first linked story; the imam being quoted was also quoted from the same event. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnbH7YogP1U Discendo Vox fucked around with this message at 03:56 on Jan 12, 2023 |
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Sounds like the professor gave warnings and the real issue here is really whether the art should have been allowed to be shown at all, not the manner in which it was shown or how many warnings were given. Like, the quote from the student itself frames it this way too: Noting she pays the same tuition and has to meet the same graduation requirements as other students, she asked: "Why do I have to look away?"
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Discendo Vox posted:The student is also the president of the Muslim student association. It appears likely that they attended the class with the goal of ending the practice/getting the instructor removed. As per the article, CAIR's state organ had an immediate press statement, but a review of their press materials and recent activity suggests they're unlikely to be sophisticated enough to have arranged this themselves. Discendo Vox posted:I take back it not being a planned action by CAIR-MN; I hadn't realized the student's comments were delivered at a CAIR-MN press event. This video was actually linked in the first linked story; the imam being quoted was also quoted from the same event. Where do you see that CAIR had an immediate press statement? That CAIR press event shown in that news story was from today: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWbknyjyXSY
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