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Ringo Roadagain posted:cant wait for roman to convert to islam did a google out of curiousity and there is a random collection of youtube channels obsessed with stating Roman Reigns converted to Islam
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flashy_mcflash posted:Like you say, it's a sample size of one that may not be at all representative, but if you want to hang your hat on corporate America acting ethically and foregoing profits by not working with an entity that dozens of others already do, hey go nuts I just don't get why we can never have these conversations without people making poo poo up in their head to argue against. No one said they expected "corporate America" to act ethically and forego profits. All I said was, very specifically, that it doesn't seem like the small number of companies that control the major broadcast networks, cable networks, and streaming platforms have any interest in paying for programming that's produced by a company that is very publicly a subsidiary of the Saudi state. This has nothing whatsoever to do with anything you're saying. Maybe it's just not worth the hassle. Maybe the advertisers complained. I don't think it's a stretch to think the same people who allegedly complained about NXT being a google search away from a woman's butthole would balk at their ads being displayed during MBS's personal golf promotion. That's them maximizing profits, not foregoing them. Sometimes acting in a corporation's best interest accidentally aligns with doing a "good" thing. If you assume this never happens you're gonna end up being wrong a lot. E: And yes, maybe it will be different with WWE because it's way more of A Thing than LIV is. Who knows. It's just silly to think you HAVE to assume everyone involved will rush into business with them. wicka fucked around with this message at 23:01 on Jan 11, 2023 |
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flashy_mcflash posted:I don't think Fox/NBC aren't messing with LIV because it's Saudi-owned, it's because they're in bed with the PGA already, no? That same Saudi Investment gimmick has stakes in Disney, Facebook, Alphabet, and a grip of other companies. That doesn’t explain why LIV is having trouble getting sponsorship deals though. And none of those companies are wholly owned by the Saudi government. I don’t know if there’s any mechanism that can prevent the Saudi investment fund from acquiring stakes in public companies but unless they’re getting board seats or outright owning the companies that’s a little bit different
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Jan 11, 2023 23:03
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Sock The Great posted:Neither FOX, Universal (or any other western media company) will enter a deal with WWE if they are owned by the Saudi PIF. Example is LIV Golf, which is rumored to be buying airtime from FS1 to broadcast their tournaments this spring. Wait, is FS1, aka Fox Sports 1, not Fox?
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Each of those things is a good reason to not immediately invest in a new sports broadcasting deal. If WWE's bought, it's only going to have the third point while still being an established cornerstone of multiple channels' content schedules. I'm sure it will affect the price Fox and NBC are willing to pay, but don't set your expectations as high as needing to pay to get WWE on TV.
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Jan 11, 2023 23:14
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Lid posted:did a google out of curiousity and there is a random collection of youtube channels obsessed with stating Roman Reigns converted to Islam this is really bizarre
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SunshineDanceParty posted:You can look at WWE history, the recent Saudi shows, and the response to Vince's sex payments and make an argument that audience won't go anywhere being nudged more in that direction. They also don't want to work with someone who might steal from them though. This is a death by a million cuts deal: they could work with sex pest Vince (they actually can't, their pressure helped forced him to step down but for the moment), maybe they could even work with the Saudis ESEPECIALLY considering the brand name WWE has. But even considering that a lot of companies won't and it has nothing to do with ethics and not opening themselves up to alienating sponsors or opening themselves up to joining in legal troubles working with Vince brings or can bring at this point. Basically people here are acting exactly like they were when the sex scandals broke, that this was no different than the 90s and Vince was insulated in his own Carnie world free from the wider expectations of capitalism while reviving the benefits. But no one is. His bullshit and antics now affect the real money men directly, and even if as a billionaire he isn't ever going to face REAL consequences, he is in that Elon Musk position of pissing off the wrong people. Lurks With Wolves posted:Each of those things is a good reason to not immediately invest in a new sports broadcasting deal. If WWE's bought, it's only going to have the third point while still being an established cornerstone of multiple channels' content schedules. I'm sure it will affect the price Fox and NBC are willing to pay, but don't set your expectations as high as needing to pay to get WWE on TV. Anyone expecting this is silly however. MAYBE they lose their Fox deal and they stay on like USA Network, but that's a big if. It's more mainstream advertisers and businesses avoiding them like the plague and their ability to interact/crossover with the wider entertainment and sports worlds getting diminished heavily were it doesn't matter that there are 1 million seniors willing to watch WWE no matter what, eventually years down the road the plug has to be pulled. Whimper not bang NutritiousSnack fucked around with this message at 23:20 on Jan 11, 2023 |
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Jan 11, 2023 23:17
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hopefully whoever started the rumor about the saudi sale cashed out once stock jumped
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Lid posted:did a google out of curiousity and there is a random collection of youtube channels obsessed with stating Roman Reigns converted to Islam Mashallah
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There is no dog bigger than Allah. Except maybe Clifford
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Lid posted:did a google out of curiousity and there is a random collection of youtube channels obsessed with stating Roman Reigns converted to Islam Roman Reigns has said that: I love Mohammed (pbuh) Because he is Islamic
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Whoolighams posted:Roman Reigns has said that: I love Mohammed (pbuh) He didn't say that you son of a bitch
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flashy_mcflash posted:Ackn'allah me
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I think Newcastle (and Man City, and PSG) are better examples than some golf tournament they pulled out of their arse. No one will give a poo poo about the owners or their massive human rights violations. They're going to rake it in and John Laurinaitis will be the last person alive on Earth, living in a self-sustaining penthouse in Riyadh at the top of the tallest structure in the known universe.
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Jan 11, 2023 23:49
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MassRafTer posted:Sad to see people falling for the typical CNBC BS when Dave Meltzer who several of our best posters have said is never wrong reported last night that when Vince was ousted he opened up talks with the Saudis and that "his coming back was obviously close to a deal." I believe Dave that a deal is imminent on the timescale that these sorts of things take a while usually. King Bahamut posted:Meltzer et al keep coming back to this and I just don’t see the comparison. LIV is a new brand, without all the top talent, and extremely clunky management that absolutely ate poo poo over the sportswashing allegations. The closest analogue would be if MBS started AEW instead of TK. If corporate america had problems doing business with the Saudi PIF they wouldn’t deal with WeWork and Uber and half a million other tech firms Its the same in Hollywood. Studios aren't coming up with these 100 million budgets out of their own backpocket. I'd go as far to say if the budget is higher than 30 million there's a good chance there's some Saudi money invested in it.
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Are we gonna get another montage set to Puddle of Mudd out of this, is the real question
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Yokozuna will finally come back
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lol it seems stone cold is the limit here. no one is willing to say that the texas rattlesnake has converted to islam.
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Hedgehog Pie posted:I think Newcastle (and Man City, and PSG) are better examples than some golf tournament they pulled out of their arse. No one will give a poo poo about the owners or their massive human rights violations. They're going to rake it in and John Laurinaitis will be the last person alive on Earth, living in a self-sustaining penthouse in Riyadh at the top of the tallest structure in the known universe. I don't know why anyone would even jump through hoops to say "Fox and USA won't care about blood money owners". Seems pretty transparent to me tbh They didn't have a problem with the company's current owners taking the blood money before the current TV deals were made, and they certainly didn't with using time on their programming to promote the blood money Crown Jewel events. They had plenty of chances to say something about that hosed-up relationship and didn't! But now that the middleMcman's being cut out of the process, it's supposed to be a gamechanger/it's going too far for them? 
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So the part where Steph got fired is still true this whole time, right?
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Evil Badman posted:Wait, is FS1, aka Fox Sports 1, not Fox? FS1 is part of the Fox Corporation, yes.
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Stealth Tiger posted:So the part where Steph got fired is still true this whole time, right? Officially, she resigned. But yes, her being gone is true.
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Stealth Tiger posted:So the part where Steph got fired is still true this whole time, right? https://twitter.com/StephMcMahon/status/1612956533695938560
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LIV doesn't have a media deal because no one gives a gently caress about it. Unless being owned by the PIF gets ratings to drop WWE will be able to get a deal.
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Gumball Gumption posted:LIV doesn't have a media deal because no one gives a gently caress about it. Unless being owned by the PIF gets ratings to drop WWE will be able to get a deal. i actually watch a decent amount of golf (blame my dad) and I cannot express how true it is that no one gives a gently caress about LIV. the response to the product has been overwhelmingly negative, which is not helped by golfers who got 9 figure paydays bitching about world ranking points. the multitude of reasons are boring for anyone but broke brains who like watching golf on tv but the product is just pure trash
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post hole digger posted:lol there is no line but the bottom line and steve is its messenger
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Chris James 2 posted:I don't know why anyone would even jump through hoops to say "Fox and USA won't care about blood money owners". Seems pretty transparent to me tbh Exactly, and this extends to punters too! The number of people who might boycott a product because it's owned by people who commit actual genocide is, frankly, negligible. Billions of people watched the World Cup last month! Newcastle has maintained 50,000+ at home this season! It took an actual war for people to go "whelp, maybe Roman Abramovich shouldn't own stuff if he's going to maybe possibly fund war crimes??" after almost twenty years of doing that in a public sports capacity. I feel like the main difference (if the Saudi takeover even happens lol) is that WWE doesn't really have any potential growth if you keep it in its familiar pattern. You won't get any change in the product because the old man in charge is an actually insane serial rapist, but I don't think the Saudis really care about that so long as they keep making billions and have an outlet that's proven to be at least somewhat successful.
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Excited for the character rebrand to LIV Morgan
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All this talk of genocidal billionaires living their best lives with no reprecussions has really sucked out my will to live today. Why couldn't Vince just wither away like worthless relic he is.
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ChrisBTY posted:All this talk of genocidal billionaires living their best lives with no reprecussions has really sucked out my will to live today. why would you let them have that power over you pour a beer and enjoy your night
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Jan 12, 2023 02:47
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I personally make sure that I am always several beers down!
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It’s not the saudis that would hurt the company it’s not having Vince at the helm to make the stupid deals he does. Trips wouldn’t have negotiated a good price either.
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Invalid Validation posted:It’s not the saudis that would hurt the company it’s not having Vince at the helm to make the stupid deals he does. Trips wouldn’t have negotiated a good price either. Triple H was going to put Billy Corgan on the board if he agreed to give him an NWA Title run.
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me, today
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spinst posted:me, today 
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Hedgehog Pie posted:I personally make sure that I am always several beers down! I usually go for a pizza personally
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Shard posted:I usually go for a pizza personally Yeah man sometimes that's in there too!
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Just realized that with all the re-hirings HHH did ... he never brought back Nia Jax. LOL.
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Davros1 posted:Just realized that with all the re-hirings HHH did ... he never brought back Nia Jax. LOL. There's a big hole in the roster
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