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Quest Pro's inside out tracked controllers are expensive and over-engineered (they're each running a smartphone SoC inside with 2 cameras so they track themselves), but that will eventually be the job of dedicated silicon and be price competitive with Lighthouse. Removing occlusion as a factor entirely is the goal and Lighthouse is still limited by base station coverage. Controllers with LEDs tracked by the HMD is comparatively much lower cost, that's sticking around for a while.
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Dirt Rally VR ties to a primal fear of mine, taking a car off the road and rolling down a hill. Pedestrian, perhaps. But holy gently caress I had to stop playing after like 5 minutes with a racing heart and sweaty palms. Just big nope.
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njsykora posted:Yeah I get enough display drops and system crashes on my 6800XT that I've genuinely worried about the card being broken. I was having this problem with my 6800XT and it ended up being completely fixed by a graphics card bios update for my particular model from Asus. I haven't had a single crash since. Honestly if a driver update wants to brick my card I'm all for it. It's still under warranty and I'd kind of like an nVidia card to play around easier with machine learning...
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I was reminded of this wonderful post in the VR Megathread.FreelanceSocialist posted:Wife tried Dirt, flipped her car halfway through a stage and got such crazy motion sickness that she's now lying on the floor swearing at me like it's my fault she cut the corner. So I think we'll stick to zombie shooting and beat sabering.
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Jan 11, 2023 19:39
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Sometimes one joystick is more then enough joy for a person to stick.
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Saukkis posted:I was reminded of this wonderful post in the VR Megathread. when they say "don't cut" DO NOT CUT
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Jan 11, 2023 19:51
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K8.0 posted:If they are selling a more different lovely inside-out tracking system, why would anyone buy it over whatever Facebook is selling? It only makes sense, and VR will only take another step forward, if Valve is ready to acknowledge that VR will always be a gimmick for those with deeper pockets and commit to outside-in tracking and premium products in general. Because it's not Facebook selling it, in my instance.
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Jan 11, 2023 21:16
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I completely understand and agree with you. I didn't mean anyone literally, but in aggregate a significant market share. I don't think enough other people hate Facebook to the point of not buying their hardware such that it's financially viable to try to compete directly with what Facebook is doing.
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Chonky bastard  Thought there was a slim chance it would fit in an o11d-xl, but it's just a bit too tall with the cable. Cablemod 90° adapters look to be a few months away, so I ordered a vertical gpu mount kit that should be here next week.
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I might order a new computer soon and I'm going to see if I can order it without a graphics card, since I have a couple 3000 series cards that are only a few months old which I could move over; but if the vendor won't sell without a graphics card- or if I decide the hell with it and order with a 4000 series card- which should I avoid, the 4070 Ti or the 4080? I haven't kept up with which is the better value, in terms of price/performance. I'm interested in the Cuda cores for rendering, not gaming performance.
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If we want VR to be a sustainable industry, all headsets on the market right now should cost $1k at a minimum. That's just realistically where the hardware prices are at, especially given post-pandemic logistics and economics. Chinese manufacturing cities were shut down as recently as a couple months ago and now they're open but everyone is sick. Factories are open, but delays up and down the chain (for example, maybe your main factory is open, but the factory that makes the parts that the main factory uses is disrupted, etc) are still very much a thing. Instead, though, Facebook has been allowed to suck all of the wind out of VR's sails and they somehow have convinced a big chunk of the VR community that they're doing VR a favor, actually, instead of stifling everyone else and even their own internal teams every chance they get. I know this thread in particular is very "wireless or bust", and that's fine, I like wireless too, but there are reasons why normal folks' Quests are collecting dust right now. Comfort and ergonomics are a joke and Facebook is a big fat albatross sitting on the software side of things. They gobbled a few of the devs who had the most success and have seemingly put them on the backburner. Frontend is pretty bad. Horizons is still a joke. They gatekeep the Oculus store to a pretty silly degree, etc. Edit: Oh weird, I thought this was the VR thread, lol. mutata fucked around with this message at 23:33 on Jan 11, 2023 |
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Listerine posted:I might order a new computer soon and I'm going to see if I can order it without a graphics card, since I have a couple 3000 series cards that are only a few months old which I could move over; but if the vendor won't sell without a graphics card- or if I decide the hell with it and order with a 4000 series card- which should I avoid, the 4070 Ti or the 4080? I haven't kept up with which is the better value, in terms of price/performance. I'm interested in the Cuda cores for rendering, not gaming performance. Your best bet is either getting a prebuilt with the lowest tier GPU possible or perhaps one that uses an APU (NZXT used to sell their Foundation line that was like this, but unsure if they still sell them), a used one with the card stripped out (ebay has a lot of these). I'm not really aware of any system integrator that would sell their machines without a GPU out the door.
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8-bit Miniboss posted:Your best bet is either getting a prebuilt with the lowest tier GPU possible or perhaps one that uses an APU (NZXT used to sell their Foundation line that was like this, but unsure if they still sell them), a used one with the card stripped out (ebay has a lot of these). I'm not really aware of any system integrator that would sell their machines without a GPU out the door. The place I'm looking at has fixed options, I'm going to call and see if they'll build one without a card- they invite custom requests on their site. But, if I do have to select a card, I need to choose between 4070ti or 4080 (I'm not shelling out for 4090). So my question is between those two options which is the best price/performance?
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Jan 11, 2023 23:33
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Listerine posted:The place I'm looking at has fixed options, I'm going to call and see if they'll build one without a card- they invite custom requests on their site. But, if I do have to select a card, I need to choose between 4070ti or 4080 (I'm not shelling out for 4090). So my question is between those two options which is the best price/performance? Is this for work or something? A prebuilt is going to add some disgusting markup
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Jan 12, 2023 00:00
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Listerine posted:The place I'm looking at has fixed options, I'm going to call and see if they'll build one without a card- they invite custom requests on their site. But, if I do have to select a card, I need to choose between 4070ti or 4080 (I'm not shelling out for 4090). So my question is between those two options which is the best price/performance? For gaming, the 4070 Ti is a better value than the 4080. I haven't looked much at non-gaming rendering.
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for rendering the answer is going to depend on how big your projects are, if they'll fit in 12GB then the 4070ti will do fine but the 4080 gives you a bit more leeway at 16GB
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VostokProgram posted:Is this for work or something? A prebuilt is going to add some disgusting markup I'm buying it personally, but I found a place that itemizes the cost of each part, they're on par with buying them myself through Amazon/newegg. The build fees come out to about $150. I find that to be completely reasonable. I hadn't thought about the RAM, that's a good point; I haven't hit an issue with my 3070 yet so it's sounding like 4070Ti may probably be the way I lean.
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You can take for granted that any place that is only charging you $150 to build is selling you some lovely parts. Doesn't mean it will necessarily affect you, but buying a prebuilt PC is never a deal or anything close to it. What exactly are you doing with this system? Optimizing specifically for your use case is probably very worth it, whether this computer is going to make you money or not.
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here's the octanebench results for reference 3070 - 398.37: https://render.otoy.com/octanebench/summary_detail_item.php?v=2020.1.5&systemID=1x%20RTX%203070%20%28RTON%29 4070ti - 710.77: https://render.otoy.com/octanebench/summary_detail_item.php?v=2020.1.5&systemID=1x%20RTX%204070%20Ti%20%28RTON%29 4080 - 926.98: https://render.otoy.com/octanebench/summary_detail_item.php?v=2020.1.5&systemID=1x%20RTX%204080%20%28RTON%29 4080 is 30% faster than 4070ti, either one is a huge upgrade from a 3070 though
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Listerine posted:The place I'm looking at has fixed options, I'm going to call and see if they'll build one without a card- they invite custom requests on their site. But, if I do have to select a card, I need to choose between 4070ti or 4080 (I'm not shelling out for 4090). So my question is between those two options which is the best price/performance? Looking at some rendering benchmarks the 4070ti is the better value there at MSRP, and even with a $900 partner price (vs getting a 4080 at $1200.) I think it's close enough that it probably does come down to whether or not you need the vram and what you can actually stomach paying, though.
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Sites like Redux that claim they give you retail prices on components and only charge a build fee are definitely lying to you. Right now, for instance, Redux is trying to claim that 32GB of DDR4-3200 costs $160, which is literally twice the real price. Their unnamed NVMe drive appears to be an SN550, and they're charging nearly double for that, too. Their generic 850W PSU costs $160. And basically everything else is like this too, so there's at least $250 - $300 of upcharge on the components on top of the $100 build fee. I just assume every other site that makes this claim is doing the same thing. The only exception was Newegg's "ENIAC" build service since they used their own store prices, but that service lasted all of a year before they shut it down. edit: vvvv the prices here seem mostly legit, though they are doing the alternate strategy of making you buy components that are just normally overpriced or have high margins, like the crosshair hero motherboard or that $145 windows OEM key. Dr. Video Games 0031 fucked around with this message at 01:52 on Jan 12, 2023 |
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K8.0 posted:You can take for granted that any place that is only charging you $150 to build is selling you some lovely parts. Doesn't mean it will necessarily affect you, but buying a prebuilt PC is never a deal or anything close to it. I'm doing digital modeling/animation/rendering, video editing/compositing/encoding. I was looking at one of these with the 7950X: https://www.centralcomputer.com/titan-mini-1.html. I thought most of the parts seemed fine, I know the case/boot drive have been recommended here before and I'm familiar with the processor- wasn't sure about the RAM/power supply, was going to ask about those options as well but was curious about the GPU question first as that's the biggest expenditure. repiv posted:here's the octanebench results for reference Jeez. Not sure the jump from 4070ti to 4080 is worth the extra $ for what I'm doing now, but that's pretty significant.
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If you build it yourself you might save enough to get a 4090 that's a much better value.
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Just gonna leave this in here for those of us who have last gen highend amd gpus: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQDnwpc_k4E
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Listerine posted:I'm doing digital modeling/animation/rendering, video editing/compositing/encoding. I was looking at one of these with the 7950X: https://www.centralcomputer.com/titan-mini-1.html. I'm not sure where you did your parts shopping but you should swing by pcpartpicker, you can pretty much copy and paste things into the search bar and click add and yeah... you're paying a decent premium there, plus you could probably save money in a few places (you almost certainly do not need a $700 motherboard). You can throw together the build in pcpartpicker and ask people in the PC building thread to help you optimize it for your specific goals and save yourself a ton of money, especially if you are happy with using your current GPUs for the time being. K8.0 fucked around with this message at 03:12 on Jan 12, 2023 |
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Passburger posted:Just gonna leave this in here for those of us who have last gen highend amd gpus: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQDnwpc_k4E just watched some of this guy's vids and he seems like Not-rear end in a top hat-Louis-Rossman nice vibe
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Just lol if you don’t have tracking implants in your fingers that run off the electrolytes in your blood
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K8.0 posted:I'm not sure where you did your parts shopping but you should swing by pcpartpicker, you can pretty much copy and paste things into the search bar and click add and yeah... you're paying a decent premium there, plus you could probably save money in a few places (you almost certainly do not need a $700 motherboard). Ok I'm really confused, I understand the point about saving money by swapping parts like the motherboard- which is certainly fair and I'm certainly going to do more research on parts (just realized the RAM is RGB which I do not need at all); but I ran these components through PCpartpicker and just did again after your post, and the computer store prices are very much the same as what I'm getting out from PCpartpicker. The largest price difference I'm seeing is $40, and on both those parts, the computer store's prebuilt comes in lower than the price I'm seeing on PCpartpicker. I mean this isn't really that important but I'm just not seeing where this company is marking up the components?
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Someone else posted this but: It's not that they are necessarily marking up the components themselves, but that they are selecting poor value components.
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Also don't buy the windows key!
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ughhhh posted:Also don't buy the windows key! Yeah it’s cheap on SA mart!
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:Someone else posted this but: It's not that they are necessarily marking up the components themselves, but that they are selecting poor value components. Oh, ok ok. I got confused, like I wasn't using PCPartpicker correctly or something.
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ughhhh posted:Also don't buy the windows key! but this aint the keyboard thread?? drat now thats a joke, whoa, thats what im talking about, shoot
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I just ordered a 42 inch oled. I think it’s time to find a 4090.
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Finally got a hold of my 3x 8-pin to 16-pin cable from modDIY. Ordered on the 19th last month which included a week off for the holidays on their end. Not bad turnaround for a custom cable. Now I can clean up the cabling again as the 4080 FE's in-box adapter just made a mess of everything in my case. 
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For whatever reason DLDSR resolutions don't appear when you're mirroring to screens of different resolutions. As in when I had my monitor (1440p 170Hz) set up to mirror my tv (1080p 60Hz), resolutions only went up to 1080p*. As soon as I changed to extend displays instead, I got DLDSR resolution regardless of which screen I was using. *This might sound like a strange set up, but right now I'm primarily using my computer with the tv, but I still use the monitor often enough to not want to disconnect it. And extending to a display not directly in front of you can lead to PITA situations (like a window opening there that you can't move with Win+arrow).
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Enos Cabell posted:Chonky bastard Thats concerning as that case is listed by quite a few sites as being big enough for the 4090, which I suppose technically it is for the card....but if you cant plug in the cables whats the point?
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mutata posted:Edit: Oh weird, I thought this was the VR thread, lol. Every thread I post in becomes a VR thread.
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So the 4090 wasn’t too hard to get tbh. Lots of stock drops today.
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