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Pirate Jet
May 2, 2010

I would blow Dane Cook posted:

Didn't she die of COVID?

She was hospitalized for Covid over Thanksgiving, so if Trump is doing some wordplay there, odds are good she got hit by one of those cardiac aftershocks we’re hearing more and more about from people who get hit bad by the virus.

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net work error
Feb 26, 2011

She lived an incredible life...

E:

PostNouveau posted:

Silk sitting by her death bed going "mmmhmmmm, you go girl"

Lmao

net work error fucked around with this message at 07:43 on Jan 10, 2023

Mr. Grinch
Jul 2, 2007

They say that the Grinch's small heart grew three sizes that day.

I would blow Dane Cook posted:

Didn't she die of COVID?

ummmm technically every cause of death is from your heart stopping so no

Sephyr
Aug 28, 2012
Being brazilian, the start of today's episode was a bit weird. Sure, the guys' job is to be funny, and there IS a pathetic side to sunday's riot/insurrection. But they forgot that last time around it didn't take much more than that for the military to march out and take over for 20 years.

And the whole "yeah, they smashed in and didn't know what to do" ignores the fact that they fully intended to camp in there, holding back the new government and daring the high military command to take a side. Said military command has been sheltering their camps, protests and roadblocks for 2+ months now.

Matt should have been there, if what I'm saying.

COPE 27
Sep 11, 2006

The Chapos don't understand how the Westminster system works I wouldn't trust their opinions on any country other than USA if that.

JosefStalinator
Oct 9, 2007

Come Tbilisi if you want to live.




Grimey Drawer

Sephyr posted:

Being brazilian, the start of today's episode was a bit weird. Sure, the guys' job is to be funny, and there IS a pathetic side to sunday's riot/insurrection. But they forgot that last time around it didn't take much more than that for the military to march out and take over for 20 years.

And the whole "yeah, they smashed in and didn't know what to do" ignores the fact that they fully intended to camp in there, holding back the new government and daring the high military command to take a side. Said military command has been sheltering their camps, protests and roadblocks for 2+ months now.

Matt should have been there, if what I'm saying.

I wonder if the Brazilian Jan 6th thing would have been more threatening/successful if they did it right after the second round, for the reasons you point out above. This one seemed totally doomed and pathetic with Bolso not even in the country, and it seemed like the moment had passed to me (an outsider).

Sephyr
Aug 28, 2012

JosefStalinator posted:

I wonder if the Brazilian Jan 6th thing would have been more threatening/successful if they did it right after the second round, for the reasons you point out above. This one seemed totally doomed and pathetic with Bolso not even in the country, and it seemed like the moment had passed to me (an outsider).

Had to say. The whole world was watching then, and Bozo was also still in-contry so if (when) it failed he and his crazy sons would be right there to be dragged through the streets.

Keep in mind that even though Bozo sells himself as a maverick system-smasher, he's been in Congress for almost 30 years, getting rich, scamming babinet wages and buying property. His followers are frothing morons; he and his kids always worry about themselves first, which is why he skipped town the INSTANT the law might get close to him. Way safer to roll the dice when he was 100% personally safe.

Also, it was just verified that the capital's security manager met him in Florida the day before the riot/coup. Said manager was part of his cabinet until last year. So just like the military openly protecting the chuds and blocking police from reaching them, there is a big degree of 'facilitating' going on.

I don't think this was about taking power, but keeping the movement engaged and creating a narrative of victimization. Tons of pro-Bozo congresspeople are still defending the attack, crying that so many well-meaning patriots are being held in CONCENTRATION CAMPS. They are sad no one was killed on sunday, because a martyr would do wonders for their insane fantasies.

Mourão, Bozo's former VP who was of course elected loving -senator- last year, is leading the charge saying that marxists monsters are torturing god-fearing heroes. This guy was part of the military regime of 1964-1986 and hails torturers who soved live rats inside the vaginas od female prisoners as heroes, by the by.

That saod, it does seem that this has galvanized most of the actual establishment into being serious. The chud camps have been finally cleared. Several middle-tier finacers and organizers being arrested, exonerated and such. We'll see if it keeps up.

Mr. Lobe
Feb 23, 2007

... Dry bones...


Wonder where the constitution ended up. Seems like a non-trivial thing to have gone.

Cosmik Slop
Oct 9, 2007

What's a hole doing in my TARDIS?


Sephyr posted:

Being brazilian, the start of today's episode was a bit weird. Sure, the guys' job is to be funny, and there IS a pathetic side to sunday's riot/insurrection. But they forgot that last time around it didn't take much more than that for the military to march out and take over for 20 years.

And the whole "yeah, they smashed in and didn't know what to do" ignores the fact that they fully intended to camp in there, holding back the new government and daring the high military command to take a side. Said military command has been sheltering their camps, protests and roadblocks for 2+ months now.

Matt should have been there, if what I'm saying.

I don't tune in to the Trap for accuracy, I tune in for the bants and japes

graventy
Jul 28, 2006

Fun Shoe

Cosmik Slop posted:

I don't tune in to the Trap for accuracy, I tune in for the bants and japes

It'd be nice if it could be both though.

Sephyr
Aug 28, 2012

Cosmik Slop posted:

I don't tune in to the Trap for accuracy, I tune in for the bants and japes

They don't have a bad track record, really. I mean, Felix even pointed out that 2016 -was- a coup helped by a US-aligned celebrity judge.

But it did feel that they went lazy and just picked "Yeah, Jan. 6th but green-and-yellow, and just as silly" as the way to approach it. As bad as US armed forces are, they have never taken over the country (Business Plot rumblings aside in 1933). That doesn't hold true everywhere.

In fact, once of the big factors keeping the troops from just fully backing the coup instead of this weasely tacit support is that they are not sure the US would be cool with it this time. In 1964, US ambassador Lincoln Gordon was openly cheerleading the generals and helping convinced recalcitrant regional commanders, and the coup had been approved by Kennedy in 1962.

Dr Kool-AIDS
Mar 26, 2004

I think they take a true premise, which is that the insurrectionists or whatever you want to call them in both the US and Brazil were absolute morons, and follow it to an untrue conclusion, which is that morons can never successfully overthrow a political system so they aren't a real threat. There are plenty of examples of would-be revolutionaries failing in laughable ways and then succeeding later on, or of total idiots just seizing power in general. Tbf I think there's some motivated reasonining going on there too since they don't want to just sound like #resistance libs so they have to be contrarian for the sake of being contrarian sometimes. Less so in Brazil where Lula's obviously someone socialists are more comfortable defending than Biden, but the preexisting conception of January 6th obviously colored their perspective of this since they were very similar.

bvj191jgl7bBsqF5m
Apr 16, 2017

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Seeking Derangements guys are great on the show. I've never bothered to listen to their podcast though, is it any good?

Nick Soapdish
Apr 27, 2008


Great episode, the gay guests were great

Also I enjoy that Will correctly called that parents who kids won't talk to them need to do The Royal Tenenbaums to get them back

PostNouveau
Sep 3, 2011

VY till I die
Grimey Drawer

bvj191jgl7bBsqF5m posted:

Seeking Derangements guys are great on the show. I've never bothered to listen to their podcast though, is it any good?

I tried it out the last time they were on Chapo and it was much worse than their Chapo appearance

Parakeet vs. Phone
Nov 6, 2009
Edit: Yeah, I'm curious about opinions on Seeking Derangements. They seem funny and they seem popular in the podcast circle, but last time I looked into their podcast I just bounced off hard.

I thought that the Chapos were saying that it was darkly funny because Brazil had had actual coups and a real risk of the military stepping in. So it was crazy that they settled on a weird January 6th reenactment that just completely depended on surprise military backing instead of some type of actual plan.

Halloween Jack
Sep 12, 2003
I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!
Idunno about SD in particular, but a lot of Chapo adjacent shows leave me cold because they just talk about the Twitter Idiot of the Day.

Fellatio del Toro
Mar 21, 2009

PostNouveau posted:

I tried it out the last time they were on Chapo and it was much worse than their Chapo appearance

same

net work error
Feb 26, 2011

I agree with Will, I like a lot of Brazil's architecture.

Farm Frenzy
Jan 3, 2007

the last crossover was before palma left and was replaced by hesse and jacques which pretty much completely changed the show

bvj191jgl7bBsqF5m
Apr 16, 2017

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Rod Dreher gave that chomo priest fail AIDS when they had sex, and the chomo priest died

Halloween Jack
Sep 12, 2003
I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!
In Brazil, it's pronounced Hod Dreher.

PostNouveau
Sep 3, 2011

VY till I die
Grimey Drawer

Farm Frenzy posted:

the last crossover was before palma left and was replaced by hesse and jacques which pretty much completely changed the show

Oh, maybe I'll give it another shot then

COPE 27
Sep 11, 2006

Halloween Jack posted:

In Brazil, it's pronounced Hod Dreher.

Naw it's still an R in Portuguese.

I learned this in the Raphael vs Raphael fight

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

https://twitter.com/WifexOfxAgony/status/1612942738894225408

Wizard Master
Mar 25, 2008

Boy, that guy must be coo-coo bananas!

cohsae
Jun 19, 2015


All gropes no consent?

Pepe Silvia Browne
Jan 1, 2007
Probation
Can't post for 21 minutes!

Wizard Master posted:

Boy, that guy must be coo-coo bananas!

get him a rubber room

CAPT. Rainbowbeard
Apr 5, 2012

My incredible goodposting transcends time and space but still it cannot transform the xbone into a good console.
Lipstick Apathy

That's just TJ Miller, you can't fool me.

selec
Sep 6, 2003

HELL DAY

General Dog
Apr 26, 2008

Everybody's working for the weekend
Take a drink every time Matt says "contradictions"

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

General Dog posted:

Take a drink every time Matt says "contradictions"

the old drinking game word was 'subsumed'

SMERSH Mouth
Jun 25, 2005

I thot he’ll on earth ep 1 was really good. They go kinda light on the anabaptists of Muenster though; those guys got real crazy.

Tankbuster
Oct 1, 2021
new series starting off strong.

The Kingfish
Oct 21, 2015


SMERSH Mouth posted:

I thot he’ll on earth ep 1 was really good. They go kinda light on the anabaptists of Muenster though; those guys got real crazy.

Dan Carlin has a good episode on Muenster if anybody cares.

Proust Malone
Apr 4, 2008

It was no loads refused! I couldn’t refuse a load!

Parakeet vs. Phone
Nov 6, 2009

The Kingfish posted:

Dan Carlin has a good episode on Muenster if anybody cares.

I've heard a few people say that he actually bought into anti-anabaptist propaganda and was too harsh on them and I just kind of threw my hands up on figuring it out. Good episode though, wish he just made short (for him) one shots more often.

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

the Munster ep is my favorite dan carlin because the subject matter is wild and he made it a one-off. win win

Yadoppsi
May 10, 2009

Parakeet vs. Phone posted:

I've heard a few people say that he actually bought into anti-anabaptist propaganda and was too harsh on them and I just kind of threw my hands up on figuring it out. Good episode though, wish he just made short (for him) one shots more often.

IIRC from one time chatting with a medievalist online contemporary propaganda was mostly about taking the beliefs of the Munster anabaptists after they had been trapped inside of a starving city for months and knew they were going to die, thus understandably turning into a bit of a doomsday cult and applying it to the whole anabaptist movement.

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GoodluckJonathan
Oct 31, 2003

The Kingfish posted:

Dan Carlin has a good episode on Muenster if anybody cares.

Yeah it's literally the best thing he's ever done.

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