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Rarity posted:I can't really see anyone but Sam leading the next Avengers team seeing as his arc is all about stepping up to fill Steve's mantle Ant Man I think fits more in the Iron Man role. He may not be a scientist but his power is based on super science. Plus his personality is more silly than Sam/Steve. Scott could even be traumatized by his meeting with Kang like how Tony was after going through the portal in the first Avengers.
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Zero One posted:Ant Man I think fits more in the Iron Man role. He may not be a scientist but his power is based on super science. Plus his personality is more silly than Sam/Steve. Scott could even be traumatized by his meeting with Kang like how Tony was after going through the portal in the first Avengers. I admit that I'm really looking forward to Loki eventually showing to tell everyone about Kang and sort of going "Also, I suppose I helped stopped the multiversal genocide that was preventing the coming multiverse war. Oops my bad."
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Everyone posted:I admit that I'm really looking forward to Loki eventually showing to tell everyone about Kang and sort of going "Also, I suppose I helped stopped the multiversal genocide that was preventing the coming multiverse war. Oops my bad." What he did wasn't bad though? It's only bad if your morality only extends to the people you can directly see. As long as you're considering the lives of people beyond your own direct experience he did a good thing.
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If Benjamin J. "Blue Eyes" Grimm figured that wrecking the TVA was a good idea, I'm going to say Loki did a good deed 
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tsob posted:What he did wasn't bad though? It's only bad if your morality only extends to the people you can directly see. As long as you're considering the lives of people beyond your own direct experience he did a good thing. If we take HWR at his word, a lot of people are still going to die.
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live with fruit posted:If we take HWR at his word, a lot of people are still going to die. Unless it's "every multiverse bar one"s worth of people, for all eternity, then it's still ultimately a good thing even on a purely utilitarian scale.
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tsob posted:Unless it's "every multiverse bar one"s worth of people, for all eternity, then it's still ultimately a good thing even on a purely utilitarian scale. Ok, Thanos.
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Remember, that was the good variant of Kang.
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live with fruit posted:Ok, Thanos. So your contention is that it's okay for everyone we don't know to die so long as the people we can see live? And that thinking otherwise for any reason is what's similar to Thanos? Rather than that thinking everyone in basically infinite other multiverses for eternity can and should die so one universe is peaceful? 
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live with fruit posted:Ok, Thanos. Killing untold billions to avoid a war feels like the more Thanos-y move tbh.
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tsob posted:So your contention is that it's okay for everyone we don't know to die so long as the people we can see live? And that thinking otherwise for any reason is what's similar to Thanos? Rather than that thinking everyone in basically infinite other multiverses for eternity can and should die so one universe is peaceful? Hey man, they pre-pruned the other multiverses and didn't just kill everyone in them. You can't kill them if they were never born.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Hey man, they pre-pruned the other multiverses and didn't just kill everyone in them. Brb, going back in time to have a frank and earnest conversation with YOUR MOM.
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As has been pointed out elsewhere, this Kang that Scott's dealing with might not be the biggest danger. Scott might well stop this Kang. HWR was very explicit that the problem isn't that there was one bad Kang - there were many.
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I just worry that "many bad Kangs" may lessen the impact. If they beat one, but "oh no, there are more" then for the viewer there's still a subconscious knowledge that they are beatable so just do it again. It's like, I've never been into the Fantastic Four, and I'm hoping this time they make them interesting, but in the MCU the intro of Reed Richards was as a bumbling doofus who jobs to Wanda. Yeah yeah, multiverse, but even so the official canon Reed will forever be just a version of someone who was first seen as the world's dumbest man and that can never be undone. Canon or not, there being one bad Kang who escapes and returns might be better. I dunno. I just hope it'll be good either way but 3 movies I disliked in a row means my opinion of the MCU has soured this year (even though the D+ series have been mostly great) so I'm a little wary. Especially as Ant-Man was such a fun little comedy heist series and now it's going full CG epic level.
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The one you really need to watch out for is Kang #42069
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FlamingLiberal posted:The one you really need to watch out for is Kang #42069 Nah, he's the nice one.
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Oh, great. It’s the Council of Kangs.
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The_Doctor posted:Oh, great. It’s the Council of Kangs. They're right behind me, aren't they?
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ApeHawk posted:They're right behind me, aren't they? Behind you? They are you!
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ApeHawk posted:They're right behind me, aren't they? Could be worse. Could be the Council of Reeds.
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Parkingtigers posted:I just worry that "many bad Kangs" may lessen the impact. If they beat one, but "oh no, there are more" then for the viewer there's still a subconscious knowledge that they are beatable so just do it again. He got killed by someone who made Thanos panic a bit during the big finale fight in Endgame who then also killed someone with Captain Marvels powers as well, not sure why that makes him a bumbling doofus. Pretty much the entirety of that film is people jobbing to Wanda.
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thebardyspoon posted:not sure why that makes him a bumbling doofus. Pretty much the entirety of that film is people jobbing to Wanda. Because they never gave you a reason to think otherwise. Same with Black Bolt. Peggy and Maria at the least don't die immediately.
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thebardyspoon posted:He got killed by someone who made Thanos panic a bit during the big finale fight in Endgame who then also killed someone with Captain Marvels powers as well, not sure why that makes him a bumbling doofus. Pretty much the entirety of that film is people jobbing to Wanda. Also the entire point of that scene in MoM is that the Illuminati are overconfident blowhards who have gravely underestimated the threat at hand.
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Cythereal posted:Also the entire point of that scene in MoM is that the Illuminati are overconfident blowhards who have gravely underestimated the threat at hand. Right, because the Illuminati are depicted as a group of elites who are riding high off of their success with their whole thing dealing with Thanos. They figure they can just easily coast for a while now, and put in a minimal effort, and things will work out the same way it always has in the past. Previous experience dictates future success, right? So basically, they're Marvel Studios post Endgame.
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That Reed was one of the bad Reeds MokBa posted:I hope so much that he is Reed Richards. This Reed will be the good Reed! 
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Jerusalem posted:That Reed was one of the bad Reeds Possibly literally. As I understand it in Marvel comics canon, there is literally only one good Reed Richards. There rest of them are scientific sociopaths that would make Rick Sanchez cringe.
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Everyone posted:Possibly literally. As I understand it in Marvel comics canon, there is literally only one good Reed Richards. There rest of them are scientific sociopaths that would make Rick Sanchez cringe. And the good one is borderline at best.
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It would be amazing chud tears if they made every bad Reed Richards John Krasinski and the good one William Harper.
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Bar Ran Dun posted:It would be amazing chud tears if they made every bad Reed Richards John Krasinski and the good one William Harper. I know it'll never happen, but I'd love it if we keep getting hints about the F-Four but when they actually show up they're basically The Four from Warren Ellis's Planetary.
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Bar Ran Dun posted:It would be amazing chud tears if they made every bad Reed Richards John Krasinski and the good one William Harper.  This would be, erm, fantastic.
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The go a ~different universe~ and the Reed Richards there is played by Martin Freeman
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Dragonstoned posted:The go a ~different universe~ and the Reed Richards there is played by Martin Freeman In that universe will John Krasinski play a somewhat dweeby CIA agent acquainted with Wakandan royalty?
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The MCU and comics universe both exist in the same multiverse so they can't both be the good Reed Richards 
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Rarity posted:The MCU and comics universe both exist in the same multiverse so they can't both be the good Reed Richards
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I mean, if they just decided to Roger Rabbit the whole thing and the F4 (and by ) are animated characters amidst the rest of the live cast, it's not like it'd make the MCU any goofier than it already is.
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Rarity posted:The MCU and comics universe both exist in the same multiverse so they can't both be the good Reed Richards Comics Reed: Oh yes, I - the smartest man in the universe - and my entire family - the first ever superheroes - have always been black. Angry Media Man: Then how come every piece of media representing you for decades have had you portrayed as white?  Comics Reed (looking directly into the camera): That is a VERY good question
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Jerusalem posted:Comics Reed: Oh yes, I - the smartest man in the universe - and my entire family - the first ever superheroes - have always been black. No more or less a contrivance than the introduction of the The Sentry. Have at it.
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Everyone posted:In that universe will John Krasinski play a somewhat dweeby CIA agent acquainted with Wakandan royalty? Last Action Hero universe https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=og--R3MveME
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Everyone posted:Possibly literally. As I understand it in Marvel comics canon, there is literally only one good Reed Richards. There rest of them are scientific sociopaths that would make Rick Sanchez cringe. If there's one thing I know from comics canon, every time a writer says every version of someone is bad but one way no definitely I swear all but one, another good one shows up later when a writer needs them to.
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