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Coasterphreak posted:At this point, idc if we ship Ukraine a fully loaded Nimitz class and tell them to have fun. We have enough of the loving things. One loaded Ohio SSGN could just about end the war.
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Stultus Maximus posted:One loaded Ohio SSGN could just about end the war. One of the great lessons of this war (and Iraq, repeatedly) is that one big strike of 100+ cruise missiles is scary and bad, but sure doesn’t win a regional land war.
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Stultus Maximus posted:One loaded Ohio SSGN could just about end the war.
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standard.deviant posted:I dunno about an SSGN, but an Ohio SSBN would. Or we could just park a full fleet in the Black Sea and tell Russia to knock it off, but that won’t happen unfortunately.
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A.o.D. posted:T-72 is a worse tank, but it's not a bad tank. It's a hell of a lot better than no tank. Exactly. The problem is that there are no tanks to replace them with. The US has M1s to spare, but doesn't want to part with any and and if goon testimonials are to be trusted, their they are so heavy and their powerplants are so thirsty and fragile it's doubtful if anyone else would want them. No other tank is available in any meaningful numbers within the next few years, unless a number of European countries are willing to take the gamble that they can part with theirs and be underequipped for however many years it takes for European or Korean manufacturers to replenish their tank fleets.
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not caring here posted:I've never seen the aux generator, so while I don't doubt it is a thing, you might have been hearing that sweet, delicious heater that makes napping in the field such a sinful delight. We had APUs on our M1A1s back in the '90s. As has been said they keep the sights, hydraulics, and radios running so you can conserve fuel. They were pretty drat loud though. My platoon was cross attached to an Infantry company for a while and the CO hated the generators. The heater doesn't make a lot of noise--mainly because it never loving worked. It's not a deadline item so we never got parts. Running and maintaining an Abrams is surprisingly easy at the crew level. Keep a close eye on fluid levels, track tension, and clean your v-packs. If anything craps out you can pull it and replace it quickly. If I remember right you can pull a power pack in 15 minutes and install a new one in 30. We could send a supply of spare packs along with any M-1s being donated to bridge the higher echelon logistics gap. We have a shitload of Abrams on hand--Ukraine should get some of them.
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Coasterphreak posted:Or we could just park a full fleet in the Black Sea and tell Russia to knock it off, but that won’t happen unfortunately. I don’t think fighting Turkey and Russia simultaneously is a good idea. It’s already a bad idea to start a war with Russia.
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Coasterphreak posted:Or we could just park a full fleet in the Black Sea and tell Russia to knock it off, but that won’t happen unfortunately. Chronosphere the USS Missouri into the Dnipro River
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mlmp08 posted:I don’t think fighting Turkey and Russia simultaneously is a good idea. It’s already a bad idea to start a war with Russia. Turkey probably wouldn't care other than lodging complaints.
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Turkey pretty much controls access to the black sea. Erdogan would probably be vocal about it, but let it happen with enough grease for his palm and more equipment for his military.
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Jasper Tin Neck posted:The US has M1s to spare, but doesn't want to part with any We were happy to sell a bunch of them to the Saudis to get blown up in their own imperialist bullshit, why not part with some more for a better cause? At the very least, Poland already has some, let them donate their Leos and T-series tanks, backfill with Abrams to unify their fleets?
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Arrath posted:We were happy to sell a bunch of them to the Saudis to get blown up in their own imperialist bullshit, why not part with some more for a better cause? At the very least, Poland already has some, let them donate their Leos and T-series tanks, backfill with Abrams to unify their fleets? If there's one thing the Saudis have, its money and a LOT of fuel.
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Jasper Tin Neck posted:Either would help and both are being obstinately withheld, probably mostly because the countries that produce them are embarrassingly short on stock. I have to wonder if the gent who was just removed from Germany's intelligence service has anything to do with Germany holding back its tanks. Once again I cannot fault the Russian espionage game.
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mlmp08 posted:I don’t think fighting Turkey and Russia simultaneously is a good idea. It’s already a bad idea to start a war with Russia. It's only a land war you have to worry about
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Also battles of wits with Sicilians...
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CRUSTY MINGE posted:Also battles of wits with Sicilians... That one is slightly less well known.
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A.o.D. posted:That one is slightly less well known. 
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This is a mildly interesting article about that murderer who joined Wagner, deserted and got captured by UA, and then somehow got captured by Wagner and murdered. It's well researched but not a super interesting topic. But I thought this pic was funny: quote:A prisoner exchange between Ukraine and Russia on October 29, 2022. ©Ukrainian Security Service handout Definitely not the age group you'd usually expect to see in a POW exchange.
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aphid_licker posted:This is a mildly interesting article about that murderer who joined Wagner, deserted and got captured by UA, and then somehow got captured by Wagner and murdered. It's well researched but not a super interesting topic. But I thought this pic was funny: Obligatory joke about how that's just what 19-24 year old Russian men look like. For content: Putin sacked his campaign commander- the one who was regarded as a competent military commander with a reputation for speaking more truth to Putin than others- and replaced him with a general regarded as a sycophant. https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-appoints-gerasimov-top-commander-ukraine-2023-01-11/
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JudgeJoeBrown posted:Russia already has a M1 and its in Kubinka. Mark Hertling was shown it to rub it in his face when he visited Russia in 94 in their not for the public part of the museum. Genuinely curious how they got one back then. Gulf War maybe?
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Just take him out to dinner first.
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Arrath posted:We were happy to sell a bunch of them to the Saudis to get blown up in their own imperialist bullshit, why not part with some more for a better cause? Egypt too. Come to think of it, the Abrams is mostly used in hot and arid places. Maybe the reason is that it breaks, if it gets wet?   Arrath posted:At the very least, Poland already has some, let them donate their Leos and T-series tanks, backfill with Abrams to unify their fleets? They did that and will receive their first M1As in 2025. There are some 400 T-72s in storage in NATO countries, principally Bulgaria, Hungary and the rest here and there. Assuming half of those can be restored into a working tank, that's 200 tanks.  It seems like the perfect opportunity to unify ammo and part supply chains while delivering hurt to the alliance's principal adversary. The only non-ghoulish reason why not to I can come up with is the fear that the gremlin in the Kremlin will do a nuclear ragequit if his army is pwned too quickly.
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There's also the matter that their former owners need something to replace them with I suppose? What with the current Leo 2 production/refurb line moving at a rather sedate pace and Poland probably having booked out the Koreans for the foreseeable future.
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M_Gargantua posted:Oh No! Our Soliders Are Being Wasteful With Their Anime titles are getting weird
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Just take him out to dinner first. 
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Ukraine has weighed in on the M1A1 question and boy, have they. https://twitter.com/DefenceU/status/1613599573955444751
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Lum_ posted:Ukraine has weighed in on the M1A1 question and boy, have they. Hell, they have spoken.
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Local politics grandstanding alert https://twitter.com/nathandahm/status/1613265794053570561?s=46&t=3eQq88Nc3OYDAkKoZl3_DA
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mlmp08 posted:Local politics grandstanding alert Just remove all federal funding or turn over the whole state to the natives.
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mlmp08 posted:Local politics grandstanding alert Is this what the pre-Pearl Harbor isolationists sounded like in the 1940s?
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Generation Internet posted:Is this what the pre-Pearl Harbor isolationists sounded like in the 1940s? If they had Twitter back then I bet it would.
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Oklahomans also reacted embarrassingly when the feds approved gay marriage and decided to house migrant children in federal facilities. It’s a weird political landscape.
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:Bra-loving-vo.
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Stop joking, this is serious stuff. Just imagine what the world would be like if the Ukrainians accidentally destroyed Lawton, Oklahoma.
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2hrs 5mins in, equipment bound for europe. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAMxnwcrcOk I can't remember how to embed to a time. Rest of the video is potentially nws/nms at moments.
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bees everywhere posted:Stop joking, this is serious stuff. Just imagine what the world would be like if the Ukrainians accidentally destroyed Lawton, Oklahoma. 
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mlmp08 posted:Local politics grandstanding alert Lol that’s reminiscent of concerned letters to the editor about Gitmo prisoners being relocated to prisons on US soil and people thinking there’d be weekly Arkham Asylum supervillain escapes. Generation Internet posted:Is this what the pre-Pearl Harbor isolationists sounded like in the 1940s? David McCullough‘s Truman book had a fascinating snapshot of previously isolationist members of Congress reacting to Pearl Harbor, I think he compared their reactions to “looking as if they’d swallowed a hot stove.”
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bees everywhere posted:Stop joking, this is serious stuff. Just imagine what the world would be like if the Ukrainians accidentally destroyed Lawton, Oklahoma. I went to basic at Fort Sill. Oh my God please dump a whole salvo of patriots and MLRS on that town. Just delete the whole grid.
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