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petit choux: Feb 24, 2016

WrasslorMonkey posted:

You got it!

That is not a pipe!

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Zodium posted:

people who get mad when other people aren't clapping their hands like trained seals at "artificial intelligence" have the same energy as people who get mad other people aren't excited about nfts

Are these other people the same ones who get mad when people on twitter don't clap their hands like trained seals in excitement when they post their human-made art on the dopamine bird site?

# ? Jan 13, 2023 16:48

petit choux: Feb 24, 2016

barge posted:

Yeah I think you're right cabbages and kings and it'd be hard to argue that it's not art without coming up with some funky definitions for art. I also think it's safe to say that the people selecting the images for the AI to digest and the guys typing in the prompts can both be called artists collaborating on pieces of art, no matter how hard they both suck. I was teasing the guy who brought up duchamp but he is not wrong, all the potentially interesting art questions AI art brings up are at least 100 years old and maybe feel old fashioned to artists but to a lot of people they are gonna be pretty fresh. I even saw some dude getting mad about the fountain on twitter recently which is really cool.

The non-art questions about copyright and algorithms replacing workers seem much newer and sicker. There was a story in the news a little bit ago about the refs who do line calls in tennis or w/e getting swapped out for an automated system, but they made a point to first record the voices of the old judges calling "in!" or "out!" in order for the automated judge to use to sound a little more human. The AI art stuff has that same queasy, wrong feeling to it. It's not just replacing people with a machine, it's replacing them with a machine that's constructed out of little stitched together bits of themselves. Sick poo poo

Good psot

# ? Jan 13, 2023 16:48

Zodium: Jun 19, 2004

Tree Reformat posted:

Are these other people the same ones who get mad when people on twitter don't clap their hands like trained seals in excitement when they post their human-made art on the dopamine bird site?

i don't know. i do statistics and ~~machine learning~~ ai, not art

# ? Jan 13, 2023 16:52

petit choux: Feb 24, 2016

Lostconfused posted:

Yeah right now there's still a lot of human effort involved to produce something that doesn't look horrendous.

That and some of us are finding that horrendousness to be what's most interesting about it

# ? Jan 13, 2023 16:54

Pepe Silvia Browne: Jan 1, 2007

people always use trained seals as the thing that claps. Why not rear end cheeks? Mix it up, you don't have to write using only cliches, you're not an AI

# ? Jan 13, 2023 16:55

petit choux: Feb 24, 2016

turn off the TV posted:

honestly the more i use stable diffusion the less limitations it feels like it has, but i'm also using it to edit photographs. the img2img function gets rid of jpeg artifacts incredibly well and it can be used to create super high quality upscales of even the most janky of images.

Now this is interesting, I don't really know how it's being used. Getting rid of artifacts.

# ? Jan 13, 2023 16:56

petit choux: Feb 24, 2016

bitmap posted:

if you liked (did you?) art well you're gonna LOVE art 2.0

*bunch of dipshits hoot and clap for something that cobbles poo poo together from other peoples work and search engine data*

That's kind of the 90s-2000s in a nutshell isn't it.

# ? Jan 13, 2023 16:58

Zodium: Jun 19, 2004

Pepe Silvia Browne posted:

people always use trained seals as the thing that claps. Why not rear end cheeks? Mix it up, you don't have to write using only cliches, you're not an AI

have you seen seals clap? they're adorable.

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Pepe Silvia Browne posted:

people always use trained seals as the thing that claps. Why not rear end cheeks? Mix it up, you don't have to write using only cliches, you're not an AI

If there's one thing I've learned using SD and ChatGPT, it's that AI is much more creative than I am. Some of us just have terminal boring brain.

# ? Jan 13, 2023 17:01

petit choux: Feb 24, 2016

Slavvy posted:

What if we wrote a subroutine that simulates the robot going on a 3 day coke bender is it art then

It will also require add-ons so it can die choking on its own vomit in the back of a car and be immortalized.

# ? Jan 13, 2023 17:02

petit choux: Feb 24, 2016

barge posted:

You know the little "oh" your wife said when she learned a computer made the picture before losing any interest? We're planning on fixing that in future patches

Imma take this image my computer made and present it to my wife and say "I made this myself"

# ? Jan 13, 2023 17:03

petit choux: Feb 24, 2016

KirbyKhan posted:

Prompt: some serious honkers. a real set of badonkers. packin some dobonhonkeros. massive doboonkabhankoloos. big ol' tonhongerekoogers.

I have yet to see a computer that produces synthetic porn. That's not gonna be happening for a while. But imagine the argument I've been seeing here as applied to synthetic porn. I think people might launch a Butlerian jihad if we had that nowadays.

# ? Jan 13, 2023 17:09

petit choux: Feb 24, 2016

Pepe Silvia Browne posted:

Massive Apples, Huge Granny Smiths, Humongous Fujis

Honestly I was hoping there was gonna be more of that ITT

# ? Jan 13, 2023 17:16

Pepe Silvia Browne: Jan 1, 2007

petit choux posted:

Honestly I was hoping there was gonna be more of that ITT

Sorry it is simply too important to reiterate how much AI Art sucks to have any fun with it

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Zodium: Jun 19, 2004

i think we should anthropomorphize equations instead of having fun with the new ml tools

# ? Jan 13, 2023 17:20

AARD VARKMAN: May 17, 1993

i think we should have fun with the new ml tools but no, not like that, you're having fun wrong

# ? Jan 13, 2023 17:22

Pepe Silvia Browne: Jan 1, 2007

AARD VARKMAN posted:

i think we should have fun with the new ml tools but no, not like that, you're having fun wrong

The posters in C-SPAM who are more concerned with being right than being funny must be driven into the sea (D&D)

# ? Jan 13, 2023 17:25

Zodium: Jun 19, 2004

the equations are real and strong and my friends

# ? Jan 13, 2023 17:26

super sweet best pal: Nov 18, 2009

Zodium posted:

i think we should anthropomorphize equations instead of having fun with the new ml tools

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K16DZDN_tTo

# ? Jan 13, 2023 17:26

AARD VARKMAN: May 17, 1993

Zodium posted:

the equations are real and strong and my friends

check it out I had the equation figure out what it'd look like if we had babies

# ? Jan 13, 2023 17:33

petit choux: Feb 24, 2016

barge posted:

Visual art already has analogies to sampling and synths: tracing, collage, stamp tools, clip art, found art, photoshop brushes - there are loads of ways to streamline and remix visual art and people have been doing it for ages. This is way different than hitting print and having a finished piece pop up on your screen, all those things (and synths/drum machines) are tools to make things, not finished products.

Artists aren't "whining" that this is gonna make art go away (haven't seen it a single time) they're depressed because they know exactly how this is going to be used against them and flood the world with ugly stuff: The slimeballs at WotC will start trying out how many AI art pieces they can slip onto cards, newspapers will start cutting editorial illustrations etc. These are a couple fewer illustration jobs in a pretty tricky industry and I'm gonna feel bad if any working artists loses out on work just because it saves a few bucks. Worse art, a few less jobs, it's just a bad deal all around unless you get excited about cutting already pretty minor costs.

I keep seeing examples like "oh photography didn't kill painting" you have got to crack a book open and check out out art before and after photography, or before and after color printing. Loads of jobs vanished entirely, illustration became almost a lost art, we gained something but you can't pretend it didn't replace something else. This time we're not getting something cool and new like photos, just a way to make more of what we already have but worse. You can't do much about these changes I know that but I can still be sad about it when it is as pointless as this and hate the vile tech guys of the world. I have a feeling they'll spend the next few decades lurching between innovations like NFTs or Ai Art or mars missions or the next dumb thing, trying to wring something meaningful out of them but I'm gonna guess they won't find it by watching their computer spit out remixed pixels

I dig this post. Again, sorry to be so far behind. I did myself go to school with vague thoughts of becoming an illustrator at the very moment computer oriented graphic design took the lead. I'm not saying I was good or talented, just that I was there at the time. Everybody was saying don't go into illustration, it's a dying trade.

I think offhand that this development is still spinning up and its rate of improvement has been increasing so rapidly that we can't really see where it's going yet. But it's likely it won't be permitted to grow and develop without carpetbaggers finding the fastest ways to take it to some kind of market.

# ? Jan 13, 2023 17:37

Zodium: Jun 19, 2004

AARD VARKMAN posted:

check it out I had the equation figure out what it'd look like if we had babies

lmfao

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smarxist: Jul 26, 2018; by Fluffdaddy

AARD VARKMAN posted:

check it out I had the equation figure out what it'd look like if we had babies

i'd read Dino GamePro reviews

# ? Jan 13, 2023 17:41

Zodium: Jun 19, 2004

more images and less dumbass takes about how the exponential curvbe will definitely keep going up forever

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petit choux: Feb 24, 2016

large oblate cat posted:

Art is a social construct. And thanks to capitalism ~we live in a society~ that cannot produce art. The opinions of us or the artists doesn't matter. So enjoy ai or not, who care.

Capitalism being a layer on top of deeper human depths, I can agree with this. The overwhelming bulk of all graphical "art" is sales promotional materials, or derived from it. It's a comforting vibration. Anything with any depth comes from deeper within and in all likelihood from another time because everything we do is sales now.

And BTW, I've kinda been flummoxed with this now and then. Americans are dumb because we smile all the time, a bunch of grinning idiots? Well that is why, you big dummy. We are selling. Always selling.

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petit choux: Feb 24, 2016

Zodium posted:

more images and less dumbass takes about how the exponential curvbe will definitely keep going up forever

hehe more images yes.

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petit choux: Feb 24, 2016

Cabbages and Kings posted:

The printing press certainly didn't kill writing. It did kill entire vocations, and then there was the rise and fall of letter-setting as a job as the press machines became more complex. This paved the way for mass distruibution of text, I think that certainly led to a rise in yellow journalism, and the net, immediate effect on literacy is debatable, so I'd say "it changed things a lot".

In the case of the press I think you'd have to be a simpleton or a lunatic to argue that the net impact was negative or that the thing which was replaced (all text creation literally gatekept by the people who could write long hand; every copy of a scroll took effort) was better than the thing it was replaced by (mass availability of written language).

I think a lot of the "we only know 10% of what this poo poo can do!" arguments are dumb and are coming from people who don't even understand how 1% of this stuff works; I'm in a couple group chats with people who work in different parts of industry and to me the writing is pretty clearly on the wall about some of the next use cases for this that don't have anything to do with "cat loving al gore" or "I am wotc, make me card images". I think it's a much more limited technology than people who don't understand anything about the training models seem to believe, and it's also less a "brand new thing" as much as something that's been in industry in various forms for a bit now and has percolated into the public sphere mostly because a few entities decided to bankroll models with public-facing UIs.

tl;dr I agree with you completely and I'm not super optimistic about "what we will gain" in this case, but I also think we're way too early into this to really see what's gained or lost.

It will not surprise me if Hasbro is the first household corp to pump this poo poo into their crap, but I really think Dungeons and Dragons will be the starting point. The MtG community tends to generally be chronically up in arms about how badly WoTC treats artists. Flipside, the MtG community is great at threatening to quit the game, and then ordering a bunch of $1000 booster boxes of Collections Edition: 2022: The One With The Obvious Cashgrab. Who the gently caress knows, everything is dumb.

Here's "just the most cringe thing ever, like mega cringeworthy, intricate, hypermaximalist, elegant, super detailed --testp"

As an experiment I tacked this together in Pixlr, while also constantly feeding prompts to Midjourney, to see what it could come up with while I did my poor composition here and then made an absolute minimal effort to clean it up:

Everything that midjourney pooped out is garbage, prompts included things like
"the simpsons, cartoon, sideshow bob and homer simpson kissing", I am not bothering with more than a thumbnail view of all this garbage:

Hot take: none of the poo poo in this post is art and in this case, my bad mspaint is much more recognizable as the thing being described than any of the AI constructions. Maybe I'm more artful at using pixlr than at the art of prompt construction and iteration.

Well I think your cringe thing was pretty good there. It appears to be a head composed of small stereo speakers?

# ? Jan 13, 2023 18:03

turn off the TV: Aug 4, 2010; moderately annoying

i fine tuned a stable diffusion model to produce pretty good looking digital elevation models, but the program outputs in 8bit but i need 16...

hosed up

# ? Jan 13, 2023 18:05

two-time fee: Jan 13, 2022

Computer, write a post about the meaning of Art in the style of Jackson Pollock three quarters through a black label

petit choux posted:

The introduction of photography didn't just eliminate work for painters as people feared, it made us question our use and understanding of painting, representation and art in general. If mankind were to survive much longer I think this is the direction we'd be going, where the art is focused on the artist and what's going on in their mind rather than getting the busy work just right in the artwork so you can sell it or whatever. Music appears to be heading in this direction as well. Ultimately it's deconstructing the whole model on which our appreciation of art is based on, that of commodification, or it has the potential to do that. The products of Midjourney or whichever one you use are not the real end goal, it is the moment you are telling the machine what to do, or working with the machine. It is the collection of moments at each attempt at perfecting the image. The artwork is collateral, just about. It's about the perfection of a body of knowledge, not of a simulated painting.

Pardon my rambling, sorry

# ? Jan 13, 2023 18:09

petit choux: Feb 24, 2016

Cabbages and Kings posted:

The question of whether or not this stuff is art will certainly impact the degree to which it starts showing up in galleries and the art world but I don't think it makes any difference at all as to trajectory that the general commercial applications of this proceed along, and the commercial applications are what is going to define the mechanisms by, and extent to which this stuff makes society weirder and dumber than it already is.

Let us sail on until we reach an edge!

# ? Jan 13, 2023 18:16

petit choux: Feb 24, 2016

Manky Tungeon posted:

I remember an old ask/tell from a fetish artist where they said they hated the job because they constantly got harassed by creeps. So maybe it is a good thing if computers take over the job of drawing "the girl rabbit from zootopia with massive tits huge honkers big bazongas".

If we could only democratize the process then everybody could have all the girl rabbit bazongas that they want. And I haven't seen any girl rabbit art, don't rabbits have an awful lot of nipples?

# ? Jan 13, 2023 18:20

petit choux: Feb 24, 2016

WrasslorMonkey posted:

Let's see whatcha done!

4eels.

I'm starting to gather that this is not a direction for me though, Imma probably start doing manual drawerings again sometime though.

# ? Jan 13, 2023 18:22

petit choux: Feb 24, 2016

turn off the TV posted:

alright, I used this jpeg as the input

this is what I get with the prompt: photo portrait of a 80 year old elderly man with blonde hair looking at camera and squinting his eyes

and if I cheat and just use Donald Trump

Reminds me of using gaussian deblur for stuff

# ? Jan 13, 2023 18:24

petit choux: Feb 24, 2016

large oblate cat posted:

no big titted waifus, only nightmares, 0/10
https://twitter.com/ScottieFoxTTV/status/1578387866572525570

Not nightmares, just robot dreams.

# ? Jan 13, 2023 18:29

petit choux: Feb 24, 2016

two-time fee posted:

Computer, write a post about the meaning of Art in the style of Jackson Pollock three quarters through a black label

LOLOLOLOLOL thank you thank you

I am so honored

petit choux has issued a correction as of 18:42 on Jan 13, 2023

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petit choux: Feb 24, 2016

AARD VARKMAN posted:

check it out I had the equation figure out what it'd look like if we had babies

This is soooo nice

# ? Jan 13, 2023 18:34

petit choux: Feb 24, 2016

Pepe Silvia Browne posted:

people always use trained seals as the thing that claps. Why not rear end cheeks? Mix it up, you don't have to write using only cliches, you're not an AI

And you can use your AI to generate the images, not that you'd be at a loss for imagery on the internet if you do your diligence.

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RPATDO_LAMD: Mar 22, 2013; 🐘🪠🍆

the rare octuple poast

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petit choux: Feb 24, 2016

RPATDO_LAMD posted:

the rare octuple poast

yeah, sorry, got to step away from this computer, I just got excited at this topic

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