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DLC Inc posted:realistically while hilarious, Tony Khan might legit work himself to death if he and his father bought WWE. Dude already has his hands in football/futbol/AEW + ROH. Buying WWE and having a new stranglehold on nearly all American wrestling would drive him batty. I think realistically AEW would merge into WWE and Tony would just run WWE. With AEW's rights up in the air and WWE being the stronger brand name it makes business sense to fold AEW into WWE. Not that I'd like that outcome.
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MassRafTer posted:The more companies he buys the better Fulham gets. Team was relegated before ROH purchase, now they are flying high! Can't argue with science
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Tony Khan should buy WWE and have Cody and Triple H run it, bing bong so simple
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rotinaj posted:Tony Khan should buy WWE and have Cody and Triple H run it, bing bong so simple He should never talk to them both at the same time though. And he should constantly feed them misinformation about one another
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JUNGLE BOY posted:He should never talk to them both at the same time though. And he should constantly feed them misinformation about one another Keeping the spirit of WWE alive.
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I'd rather not have another wrestling monopoly and I don't think TK could handle it creatively. The only outcome I see from TK (or any one person) owning everything is American TV wrestling going to poo poo again, albeit for different reasons than it did under Vince.
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CombineThresher posted:I'd rather not have another wrestling monopoly and I don't think TK could handle it creatively. The only outcome I see from TK (or any one person) owning everything is American TV wrestling going to poo poo again, albeit for different reasons than it did under Vince. The best case scenario I keep thinking of is that Shad and Tony buy it with some partner and hire someone else to run it completely separate from AEW and Tony. Just operate as two completely different entities if they plan to keep both companies going as-is. Don't know how realistic that actually is, but Tony would for sure work himself into an early grave trying to run both companies at the same time the way he runs AEW currently.
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I think Tony should buy Wwe and Vince should buy aew
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Here has been my hot take on this. Remember when Netflix lost 200,000 subscribers and the stock tanked 75%? That was the first small hint of a decline in revenue and investors bolted. WWE has just been failing upward somehow, getting more and more for their TV rights fees that just seems unjustified. If they receive anything less than the previous offer, that stock is going to tank so loving hard when it's currently at an all time high. And with ratings declining it seems like they are not going to get the same rights fees they got at the last renewal. The plan is to sell the company prior to the contract negotiations in the fall. The company then goes private, everyone finally gets to cash out on their stock holdings, and then when they get less for rights fees in the Fall it doesn't matter anymore. Vince would easily lose over a billion dollars if rights fees go down and the stock tanks before a sale.
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Historically American wrestling companies were monopolies. They didn't have competition. They had these protected territories, and in some cases were illegal monopolies. Some were bad, some were good. It wasn't about competition it was about how good the booker was. But yes we don't need to worry about Tony having a monopoly, and as said above Shad is keeping WWE and he's a better booker.
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NienNunb posted:I think Tony should buy Wwe and Vince should buy aew Strangers on a train but they kill the others promotion
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I’m on board with whoever said Tony should buy WWE, take the tape library, then just sell the rest of the company.
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Astro7x posted:Here has been my hot take on this. This take makes a lot of very good sense. Vince may want to just cash out. The possibility of it going private and him staying on would be a plus but not the primary goal.
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He also keeps Cody's contract just for funsies
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your friend wicka posted:I’m on board with whoever said Tony should buy WWE, take the tape library, then just sell the rest of the company. The Khans are not interested in buying WWE as a business acquisition. Shad just wants to get the tape library as a nice present for Tony since he's been working so hard.
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Astro7x posted:Here has been my hot take on this. Their ratings are much better compared to TV now than they were at the start of the pandemic. Network TV has absolutely cratered. Smackdown ranks higher on its night and way higher for the week than it a few months into the deal. Cable has fallen off a cliff, so even with Raw in the .4s it's not just #1 for the night it's ranked very high for the week. Great point of comparison: When Dynamite debuted with a .62 it wasn't #1 for the night. If Dynamite got a .62 last night it would have been #1 for the night and almost doubled the NBA game that tied Dynamite at a .33 at #2 this week. Smackdown looked like it was a bad deal for Fox after the first big week, but now it looks perfectly fine for a Friday and it do OK on actual competitive nights. Young Sheldon was #1 last Thursday with like a .65 and it's a juggernaut.
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Anthem should buy WWE and put it on AXS
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this is more than just wrestling though. sports business journalists have been talking about the 'live tv rights bubble' popping for years now. obviously football or whatever is a bigger draw than wrestling, but its also pulling in more money for its rights licensing. i dont think the bubble pops just for wrestling, maybe smackdown ends up being the canary in the coal mine but imo wwe's rights fees dont comes down til they all do.
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1glitch0 posted:I think realistically AEW would merge into WWE and Tony would just run WWE. With AEW's rights up in the air and WWE being the stronger brand name it makes business sense to fold AEW into WWE. Not that I'd like that outcome. Zero doubt about this. AEW title holders (usually) win feuds that merge the belts, a couple PPVs stick around and maybe it's RAW-Dynamite-Smackdown run of shows. But Khan would just wear WWE's skin while doing AEW and that would be the smart thing to do post hole digger posted:this is more than just wrestling though. sports business journalists have been talking about the 'live tv rights bubble' popping for years now. obviously football or whatever is a bigger draw than wrestling, but its also pulling in more money for its rights licensing. i dont think the bubble pops just for wrestling, maybe smackdown ends up being the canary in the coal mine but imo wwe's rights fees dont comes down til they all do. They're wrong. We're about to see a Streaming bubble burst because studios collectively realize it was better to make 2 Billion doing Top Gun or Avatar, and it was stupid fighting over nonexistant scraps with Netflix.
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MassRafTer posted:Their ratings are much better compared to TV now than they were at the start of the pandemic. Network TV has absolutely cratered. Smackdown ranks higher on its night and way higher for the week than it a few months into the deal. Cable has fallen off a cliff, so even with Raw in the .4s it's not just #1 for the night it's ranked very high for the week. TNT and TBS are in like 20 million fewer homes than when AEW started, iirc.
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your friend wicka posted:TNT and TBS are in like 20 million fewer homes than when AEW started, iirc. It's about 15 million. But cable as a whole is declining faster in viewers than people are cutting the cord and network is declining fast despite there being no cord (but a lot of people don't bother to watch it when they don't have cable.)
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NutritiousSnack posted:They're wrong. We're about to see a Streaming bubble burst because studios collectively realize it was better to make 2 Billion doing Top Gun or Avatar, and it was stupid fighting over nonexistant scraps with Netflix. My prediction from the very beginning of the streaming wars was all Netflix had to do was ride it out. They had to invest in their original programming to stay alive when all the companies started pulling their content and starting up their own streaming services. But if they rode it out all of these companies would come to the conclusion that it's not worth the effort and money to run an entire streaming service when you can just license the content out to someone else. Sure, Comcast can pay themselves a billion dollars for The Office and worry about subscriptions and metric and blah blah blah or they could just license it out and let someone else worry about it while they cash their billion dollar check. Already we're seeing WBD pulling stuff off HBO with plans to license it out. There's not enough pie for Netflix, Peacock, Paramount+, AppleTV, HBOMax, AMC+, Hulu, Disney, Prime, and on and on and on. All that content is going to come back to Netflix along with a few streaming survivors like Disney+, probably Prime, and maybe Hulu or whatever HBO becomes.
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MassRafTer posted:It's about 15 million. But cable as a whole is declining faster in viewers than people are cutting the cord and network is declining fast despite there being no cord (but a lot of people don't bother to watch it when they don't have cable.) Where is everyone going? Streaming? Because most of the streaming services aren't exactly killing it right now. Are people just less interested in movies and tv these days?
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1glitch0 posted:Where is everyone going? Streaming? Because most of the streaming services aren't exactly killing it right now. Are people just less interested in movies and tv these days? tik tok
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1glitch0 posted:Where is everyone going? Streaming? Because most of the streaming services aren't exactly killing it right now. Are people just less interested in movies and tv these days? 
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The gently caress is that!?
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Majinfoose posted:The gently caress is that!? Everyone died and turned into trees like David the Gnome
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pretty sure its from a video game. hes saying people play games now instead of watching stuff.
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1glitch0 posted:Where is everyone going? Streaming? Because most of the streaming services aren't exactly killing it right now. Are people just less interested in movies and tv these days? Streaming services have reached a bottleneck but they also dramatically expanded in recent years. So you do have a lot of people watching those services. Plus people are on their phones. But when you have Disney+, Hulu, ESPN+, Netflix, Prime and HBO Max all having significant subscriber counts it adds up. MassRafTer fucked around with this message at 19:33 on Jan 13, 2023 |
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1glitch0 posted:Where is everyone going? Streaming? Because most of the streaming services aren't exactly killing it right now. Are people just less interested in movies and tv these days? Old people dying and not being replaced, maybe? I assume a big part of it is your last sentence though, a lot of people are probably just put off by the cost and complexity of it and have bailed entirely. At the end of the day our economic system probably makes it impossible to transition from cable to streaming in the way most consumers would want because it requires the companies involved to make less money.
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MassRafTer posted:Streaming services have reached a bottleneck but they also dramatically expanded in recent years. So you do have a lot of people watching those services. Plus people are on their phones. But when you have Disney+, Hulu, ESPN+, Netflix, Prime and HBO Max all having significant subscriber counts it adds up. streaming services are like the wrestling territories of old, dinosaurs just waiting for the extinction event brought on by a young upstart like My Friends Plex Server
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The answer is Tik Tok
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Ganso Bomb posted:I feel like this makes it seem more likely than not that the Khans could buy it. At first I thought it was just baseless speculation that they COULD be interested if they wanted to be since they're loaded and already run one wrestling company. You read this wrong, Khans and Saudis are the only buyers who would take it private. There are other buyers.
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jackofarcades posted:You read this wrong, Khans and Saudis are the only buyers who would take it private. There are other buyers. Ohhh that's an important piece I overlooked
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There's an insane amount of content out there. People just subscribe to the stuff they care about, so no one streaming service can plausibly bring in enough subscribers to actually turn profit. If Paramount, Netflix, and Disney can't make a profit from streaming, it seems very unlikely that even niche providers with dedicated audiences (Chiller) can do likewise. It's why the cable bundle was the golden goose - you HAD to take those other channels to get the ones you wanted. Now you don't. Given how everything in capital focuses on continual growth and always making more, it seems everyone in the industry is going insane and trying to deny the simple truth that this thing is NEVER going to be as profitable as it was when you had cable TV and DVD sales both at their height. It's never going to be that good for them again.
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Ah yes I've seen Kota Ibushi wrestle at this location
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Streaming services have gotten so bad that outside of comfort shows I'd put on loop just for something to have on in the background, I'm actually finding more stuff to watch on TV again than the several combined streaming services I've got. Of course, the solution is going to end up being what it was just before Netflix streaming started because why would I pay $80 a month in streaming services that only have one show each on them
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It's hilarious that TV companies saw the oversaturation that led to the death of cable and decided to repeat the exact same thing with streaming
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1glitch0 posted:Where is everyone going? Streaming? Because most of the streaming services aren't exactly killing it right now. Are people just less interested in movies and tv these days? It's not that they are less interested, it's that there's never been MORE content as convenient to watch as there is now. It's just spread across too many services, so people are picking and choosing.
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