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Gyges posted:I mean, that's true 99.9% of the time for these types. If you do enough financial crimes, it appears that the only way you get caught is either become famous or gently caress with rich people's money. Despite that, the fraudsters just keep stepping in the clearly marked trap. Yeah the rules don't exist for the powerful, until you run afoul of people with more power than you. Also power is now exclusively money, threatened only by the looming collapse of the only planet that sustains our existence. You'd think the fact that the economy has to exist here too would be better represented, but hey the market does what it does freedom baby.
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PhazonLink posted:This sounds very 2015/16 wrt to some guy. Yeah, if he lost like he did in 2020 he's gone and you had a successful grift, if you win then you think you're like Trump: now you're in charge so the grift charges don't matter and become "political." edit: I do think that Santos and whatever the team they had thought they would lose, there just happened to be in a district that somehow became competitive. Laura Loomer needs to take notes GoutPatrol fucked around with this message at 03:34 on Jan 14, 2023 |
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GoutPatrol posted:Yeah, if he lost like he did in 2020 he's gone and you had a successful grift, if you win then you think you're like Trump: now you're in charge so the grift charges don't matter and become "political." It is nice that in this dark timeline we've discovered the comedy of people running campaigns with the intention of losing, only to gently caress it up and win.
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Sodomy Hussein posted:Debt ceiling hostage-taking is a political loser for Republicans every single time and yet happens every single time. At this point a lot of them have openly expressed disinterest in this gimmick but the hardliners can't quit it. Yeah I'm just here for them to score savage hits on their own face repeatedly for no conceivable tactical benefit
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Sodomy Hussein posted:Debt ceiling hostage-taking is a political loser for Republicans every single time and yet happens every single time. At this point a lot of them have openly expressed disinterest in this gimmick but the hardliners can't quit it. I'm not sure that it is a loser for them. The GOP remains competitive in the House (I know it's a slim majority, but it's not like they're getting completely blown out and this is despite repeated gamesmanship with the debt ceiling). The GOP also has done fantastically with respect to governorships, Trump won in 2016, and they're competitive in the Senate too. All of this has happened in a world where they regularly play chicken with the debt ceiling. Meanwhile, it gets GOP voters excited because it looks like they're "fighting hard on a real issue" - gov't debt and spending (I know this is a bad way to view the issue but it's how they sell it to their voters). Is it really hurting them? I genuinely don't know. Is there polling or some other analysis indicating whether it is or isn't? EDIT: I even wonder how much it would hurt them if they really did take us over the cliff. Would they successfully be able to pin the chaos and economic harm on the Democrats, especially since there's currently a Dem president? Maybe! I am reminded of the comic of what people think the president does, with Obama standing at the resolute desk with a big lever for ECONOMY and GAS PRICE. I drat sure hope we never find out. 
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Gyges posted:It is nice that in this dark timeline we've discovered the comedy of people running campaigns with the intention of losing, only to gently caress it up and win. It's ironic that the candidate that happened to was also the director of The Producers Chimp_On_Stilts posted:Meanwhile, it gets GOP voters excited because it looks like they're "fighting hard on a real issue" - gov't debt and spending (I know this is a bad way to view the issue but it's how they sell it to their voters). Voters have typically blamed Republicans for government shutdowns (google result that looks informative). The thing is nobody who thinks debt ceiling standoffs are "fighting hard" is a gettable vote for Democrats and normal people don't actually care about government debt. James Garfield fucked around with this message at 04:34 on Jan 14, 2023 |
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James Garfield posted:It's ironic that the candidate that happened to was also the director of The Producers Director, writer, dreamweaver, plus actor
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Absurd Alhazred posted:Director, writer, dreamweaver, plus actor "I know a lot of politicians who use subtext and they're all cowards"
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:The RAND Corporation performed an exhaustive study of impacts of different types of gun legislation on shooting deaths, defensive gun use, hunting and recreational sporting, and police shootings in America. This is the only major study of this type. Discendo Vox posted:We need to dig into their methodology; I’ll have time this evening. All right, this has taken some time to chew through, since it's 450 pages. That said this methodological note at xvii from the intro basically exposes a big 'ol problem with a lot of their framework: quote:In addition, our review did not cover the full range of policy levers available but rather focused on a set of policies that have been implemented in the U.S. context and, therefore, have proven to be politically and legally feasible, at least in This reflects a broader approach taken with the selection of evidence and outcome measures throughout the report: it's only considering domestic state-level laws that have withstood SCOTUS review. The set of outcomes is, confusingly, not as well-articulated as their policy categorizations, and even their policy categorizations aren't very good. However, their lit review framework is sound, which isn't surprising, it's something that orgs like RAND specialize in. Terms are defined, there's a consensus mechanism, categorization of evidence strength, etc. At the same time, a lot - a lot - of the inconclusiveness of the report was extremely predictable because the whole thing is at a high level of abstraction. They matrixed their policies and outcomes (checking and reporting every permutation), meaning they conducted lit review searches for dozens of pairs like, for example, the effect of gun-free zones on suicide rates. It's not surprising that there's not published studies on a lot of those combos! This was done instead of making outcome-policy decision selections that would allow narrower comparative meta-analytic methodologies that could report specific impacts between jurisdictions (with a lot of caveats). This would be obvious to the designers involved - it was set up such that it would necessarily find "not enough information" for a lot of its questions. It looks a lot like they started from the position that they'd do a broad qualitative lit review because that's what they'd done before. On that "what they've done before" note, I also observe that they definitely started from the 2nd edition and then just made edits (which isn't atypical for this sort of thing, but in this case it may have stunted the utility of the whole exercise).
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Gyges posted:It is nice that in this dark timeline we've discovered the comedy of people running campaigns with the intention of losing, only to gently caress it up and win. Also doesn't help that the Very Serious People they run against somehow manage to gently caress up harder than if they were actively trying. The debt ceiling long ago became nothing more than a ritual which I don't think anyone cares about at all. There's always a big song and dance over nothing that everyone instantly forgets.
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BiggerBoat posted:The thing that grates the most about this is if I lie on my resume about my GPA or even some creative embellishments for a $45,000 a year job and get caught, I can easily be fired with cause. I mean, I don't DO that but, like most people I tend to put a little icing on the cake I'm baking and decorate it nice. It appears that the Dems' oppo research missed it because his actual opponents never did any. The DCCC did some oppo research, but being a national entity, they had dozens of weirdoes and crazies to investigate, so they didn't do super deep dives. His direct opponents would be the ones who'd dig super deep, but they apparently didn't bother to do any oppo research at all. Reporters had been tipped off that something wasn't right about Santos, but they apparently ignored it until after the election, when the NYT suddenly decided to investigate it for some reason.
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Main Paineframe posted:It appears that the Dems' oppo research missed it because his actual opponents never did any. The DCCC did some oppo research, but being a national entity, they had dozens of weirdoes and crazies to investigate, so they didn't do super deep dives. His direct opponents would be the ones who'd dig super deep, but they apparently didn't bother to do any oppo research at all. People are calling on a big revamp of the New York state party, and especially the pieces of poo poo Cuomo toadie that still runs it. As for why the NYT only did this after the elections, I mean, this is a much better selling story now that he's been elected, right? We're lucky they didn't wait (not want, I can't type) a few years to publish it in a book. Absurd Alhazred fucked around with this message at 07:34 on Jan 14, 2023 |
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but santos already has all the books written about his lies? He's all the listings
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Sodomy Hussein posted:We are now uncovering that every level of the Republican Party knew Santos was a pathological liar and conman from the beginning. Dems had their strong suspicions too as apparently everyone who has ever met the guy gets a bad vibe from him, but everyone assumed everyone else would do the work to be rid of him. Gonna give some rank speculation here about this guy's motivations based solely on my gut and some prior experience dealing with certain people that doesn't even really matter in the long run so feel free to skip this, but I think this bit: quote:All of it was in the report, which also said that Mr. Santos, who is openly gay, had been married to a woman. is kind of at the heart of this man's actions. He was deep in the closet and likely spent most of his life lying about himself, and decided to just keep going either because it's always worked to his advantage or he doesn't know any other way to live. In fact it wouldn't surprise me at all if his primary motivation in being such a high-profile con artist is so he can muddy the waters and in a weird way return to the closet. "Well, he said he's gay, but he's a compulsive liar so who knows." But I'm just armchair quarterbacking here.
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I mean it's really not uncommon for openly gay people to be formerly closeted and have gotten married to someone of the opposite gender as a part of that.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:I mean it's really not uncommon for openly gay people to be formerly closeted and have gotten married to someone of the opposite gender as a part of that. The issue here is that he's been claiming to openly gay for the last decade, which was news to his wife who he divorced just before either this campaign or the 2020 campaign he lost.
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Got married to stay in the US, maybe? "Deported to Brasil" is still my funniest end game for this.
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Funniest endgame is probably that he's neither Brazilian nor 'Merican. Just a poor French-Canadian conman.
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Jaxyon posted:The US will not default. The economic consequences would hurt everyone massively. If it looked like a real possibility, the owners would put pressure on both parties. You're assuming that the hardliners will cave and not play silly buggers until it's too late. IIRC - and please correct me if I'm wrong - the debt-ceiling has to be approved by the House and the Senate and then signed into law by the President. Now, while that can be done fairly quickly, it still means that there's an absolute deadline beyond which we are all, economically speaking, hosed if something goes wrong. And this time there are enough True Believers in the idea that 'a default won't be that bad' that they can pose a real and serious problem. They're already talking about trying to prioritize certain payments when the government does hit the debt-ceiling to 'prove' that the government can work just fine without more borrowing. https://www.washingtonpost.com/us-policy/2023/01/13/debt-ceiling-gop-plan/ quote:In the preliminary stages of being drafted, the GOP proposal would call on the Biden administration to make only the most critical federal payments if the Treasury Department comes up against the statutory limit on what it can legally borrow. For instance, the plan is almost certain to call on the department to keep making interest payments on the debt, according to four people familiar with the internal deliberations who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe private conversations. House Republicans’ payment prioritization plan may also stipulate that the Treasury Department should continue making payments on Social Security, Medicare and veterans benefits, as well as funding the military, two of the people said. Assuming this is true - which, granted, is admittedly a big one - even floating it as a trial-balloon really, genuinely makes me worried that these chucklefucks will fly too close to the sun on this one.
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Main Paineframe posted:It appears that the Dems' oppo research missed it because his actual opponents never did any. The DCCC did some oppo research, but being a national entity, they had dozens of weirdoes and crazies to investigate, so they didn't do super deep dives. His direct opponents would be the ones who'd dig super deep, but they apparently didn't bother to do any oppo research at all. That's just insane to me. Seems like even some very basic Google or alumni directory searches would have turned up something. It doesn't appear as if they did anything at all.
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https://twitter.com/eaworkers_union/status/1613958231327383552 https://twitter.com/MorePerfectUS/status/1614005332828880896 it might not be totally analogous, but i find it amusing in a way that for all their weeping and wailing about a couple hundred dollars worth of ad-buys by russian trolls, they had no problem allowing the sale of their database and software kit to a uk-based investment firm, which then turned around and slashed ~30% of the people responsible for maintaining that platform. senior level architects, product coaches, support staff, developers, and client advocates got their access cut off, some of them while they were in the middle of customer calls, couldn't break to see their emails, and were locked out of their email before their client call ever ended. the combined years of knowledge of the platform, how the different versions work (there are actually 3 different production releases of NGP), and other indispensable knowledge that was never written down just...gone. some people have said it's a collective 50 years' worth of knowledge of NGPVAN. 
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BiggerBoat posted:The thing that grates the most about this is if I lie on my resume about my GPA or even some creative embellishments for a $45,000 a year job and get caught, I can easily be fired with cause. I mean, I don't DO that but, like most people I tend to put a little icing on the cake I'm baking and decorate it nice. I was nearly fired for exaggerating my abilities in excel. I was running a CrossFit gym at a corporate headquarters in Atlanta.
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FizFashizzle posted:I was nearly fired for exaggerating my abilities in excel. More of a reason to lie on your resume imo.
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FizFashizzle posted:I was nearly fired for exaggerating my abilities in excel. Excel is very important in CrossFit.
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FizFashizzle posted:I was nearly fired for exaggerating my abilities in excel. I'm imagining the crucial scene in an action movie but the hero's fate depends on creating a Pivot Table.
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How can you CrossFit if you can't CrossTab?
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BiggerBoat posted:That's just insane to me. Seems like even some very basic Google or alumni directory searches would have turned up something. It doesn't appear as if they did anything at all. New York Democrats have been pretty recently actively letting Republicans win to keep leftist candidates out, the official body for making sure of such has only very recently faded from prominence.
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Cranappleberry posted:but how can we trust you now? Because OP was a Navy Seal with a doctorate in physics from Brown and has a congressional medal of honor. Duh. Anyone who says otherwise is a MSM hitman. FizFashizzle posted:I was nearly fired for exaggerating my abilities in excel. You should probably go run for senate and wear your medal of honor at debates and campaign appearances. Wearing fake jewelry almost worked out for Herschel Walker, speaking of pathological liars.
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BiggerBoat posted:Because OP was a Navy Seal with a doctorate in physics from Brown and has a congressional medal of honor. Duh. Remember how Trump was notorious for giving out fake diamond cufflinks to impress people? I really thought this should have been a bigger scandal, but I apparently have morals that are out of step with mainstream America. https://nypost.com/2016/06/21/trump-has-been-giving-out-fake-diamond-cuff-links-for-years/
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Eric Cantonese posted:Remember how Trump was notorious for giving out fake diamond cufflinks to impress people? Fake
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Eric Cantonese posted:Remember how Trump was notorious for giving out fake diamond cufflinks to impress people? I can’t get mad about a rich guy scamming other rich guys tbh this is funny
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selec posted:I can’t get mad about a rich guy scamming other rich guys tbh this is funny I don't think anyone's mad about it. It's hilarious, and a character insight.
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Eric Cantonese posted:Remember how Trump was notorious for giving out fake diamond cufflinks to impress people? Imagine meeting Donald Trump, of all people, and thinking he'd actually give you real diamonds.
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Gyges posted:Imagine meeting Donald Trump, of all people, and thinking he'd actually give you real diamonds. He had one real Diamond in his roster, and, well...
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selec posted:I can’t get mad about a rich guy scamming other rich guys tbh this is funny Would it be funny if he gave the fake diamond cufflinks to you? I find conmen generally offensive, even if they victimize rich people.
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selec posted:I can’t get mad about a rich guy scamming other rich guys tbh this is funny DeadlyMuffin posted:I don't think anyone's mad about it. It's hilarious, and a character insight. See also: when Vladimir Putin stole Robert Kraft's Super Bowl ring
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Eric Cantonese posted:Would it be funny if he gave the fake diamond cufflinks to you? Do the “victims” consider that con man generally offensive? I myself sincerely believe the wealthy are merely shifting around and playing games with money they didn’t make, so it’s just part of those games. It’s very hard to feel bad for Charlie Sheen, but a better person than I might. e: to answer the question I’d probably be pissed
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