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GnarlyCharlie4u posted:Took some glamour shots. your keyboard has better tinder profile than i do, drat
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Unsinkabear posted:Hi friends, I am once again looking for a 65-75% split keyboard that has symmetrical halves I can tent equally, a traditional-ish QWERTY layout, low latency, and legit software/tweakability (so not Kinesis). Quoting myself here in case someone has different opinions than the other keyboard thread. Anyone have a hot tip?
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I was hoping to find something with straight rows so I didn't gently caress up my muscle memory for when I have to use other keyboards, but that is beautiful and not too far off. I'll keep it in mind, thank you
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Unsinkabear posted:Quoting myself here in case someone has different opinions than the other keyboard thread. Anyone have a hot tip? moonlander or ergodox via zsa.io, raise or defy via dygma.com. im on dygma raise atm myself, and while the software is clunky (while zsa seems to be literally best ever without writing your own firmware code), it still has allowed me to customize anything i've reached for
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cinci zoo sniper posted:moonlander or ergodox via zsa.io, raise or defy via dygma.com. im on dygma raise atm myself, and while the software is clunky (while zsa seems to be literally best ever without writing your own firmware code), it still has allowed me to customize anything i've reached for Moonlander and Ergodox are quasi-ortholinear boards and can throw muscle memory off if you have to jump back to a normal staggered board. Also the thumb clusters become very useful once you adapt the layout to your tastes and it just adds to the complexity of juggling back and forth. I love my Ergodox, but I was missing the F-row so I've switched to a 75% Alice (Keychron Q10), and while I have my F-row again... I still kinda miss my thumb clusters. I need a Moonlander or Ergodox XL with an F-row, I guess.
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Kvantum posted:Moonlander and Ergodox are quasi-ortholinear boards and can throw muscle memory off if you have to jump back to a normal staggered board. Also the thumb clusters become very useful once you adapt the layout to your tastes and it just adds to the complexity of juggling back and forth. tbh i wasnt sure what they meant with "traditionalish", and kinesis to me looks closer to ortholinear than to qwerty (ive never used). in any case, dygma raise is a staggered split. i do feel you on the f-keys (and arrow keys for me) anyhow. im making do with this board, but i use non-terminal based applications as well and i really don't want to have to deal with layouts and like 5-key combos for something that is a macos app shortcut for an f-key with 3 modifiers
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GnarlyCharlie4u posted:Took some glamour shots. is this just an art piece? looks cool, but unusable.
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akadajet posted:is this just an art piece? looks cool, but unusable. nah, it’s a fairly trendy style of board. there’s a niche of sub 50-key boards with increasingly esoteric keymaps through things like layers or chords, as you walk down the number. i think most of them suck for doing programming, but for typing natural text they’re no worse than a phone keyboard made physical would be
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Jenny Agutter posted:dygma balls
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cinci zoo sniper posted:nah, it’s a fairly trendy style of board. there’s a niche of sub 50-key boards with increasingly esoteric keymaps through things like layers or chords, as you walk down the number. i think most of them suck for doing programming, but for typing natural text they’re no worse than a phone keyboard made physical would be I don't know how you can stand a keyboard without a full layout including the number pad.
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akadajet posted:I don't know how you can stand a keyboard without a full layout including the number pad. i can stand a layout without a number pad, which i don't use at all that frequently, but further cuts are harsh for me personally. lack of f keys and arrow keys i'm finding barely tolerable, for instance, since i have a 2x1 yard desk that doesn't require the 5 square inches of space saved by them being gone
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I touch type numbers on the pad. Laptops are kind of annoying because I don't have the number row in muscle memory.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:i can stand a layout without a number pad, which i don't use at all that frequently, but further cuts are harsh for me personally. lack of f keys and arrow keys i'm finding barely tolerable, for instance, since i have a 2x1 yard desk that doesn't require the 5 square inches of space saved by them being gone using a layer to access f keys isn’t that bad. took a few days to get used to but honestly i don’t use them that much in general 65% is about as small as i could do still need arrow keys
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my k6 is about as small as i will go. i have a k12 too but it's best for strictly Posting. turns out i use the arrow keys more than i thought and fn+something else is a little awk
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Kvantum posted:Moonlander and Ergodox are quasi-ortholinear boards and can throw muscle memory off if you have to jump back to a normal staggered board. Also the thumb clusters become very useful once you adapt the layout to your tastes and it just adds to the complexity of juggling back and forth. cinci zoo sniper posted:tbh i wasnt sure what they meant with "traditionalish", and kinesis to me looks closer to ortholinear than to qwerty (ive never used). in any case, dygma raise is a staggered split. Yeah, I could have been more clear there, sorry. I was just allowing for weird bottom row stuff with the "ish." I don't know about all of Kinesis' stuff, but the Freestyle Edge or whatever it is that gets recommended commonly is standard staggered QWERTY. I like the Dygma Raise a lot, something like that with an F row would be basically perfect, and I'd settle for a version without. Dygma is just a little too rich for my blood.  Since the split market doesn't have what I want in any tiers I can afford, I went completely rogue and got a Corsair K65 RGB Mini to test out 60% instead akadajet posted:I don't know how you can stand a keyboard without a full layout including the number pad. I don't know how you can stand a full keyboard. Half the reason I'm on this train is that the shoulder spread those things make you do is terrible ergonomics, and I find bumping my mouse on the side of the keyboard when turning around in games to be infuriating (I keep the mouse on 800dpi sensitivity for FPS muscle memory). In addition to ergo benefits, splits let you push the right side away when playing instead of typing. akadajet posted:I touch type numbers on the pad. Laptops are kind of annoying because I don't have the number row in muscle memory. And I prefer a discrete number pad on the left side, if at all. Having it on the right is literally a relic of pre-mouse times. cinci zoo sniper posted:i can stand a layout without a number pad, which i don't use at all that frequently, but further cuts are harsh for me personally. lack of f keys and arrow keys i'm finding barely tolerable, for instance, since i have a 2x1 yard desk that doesn't require the 5 square inches of space saved by them being gone I'm curious how much I'll miss my arrow keys, I feel like I never use them. I feel you on the F row, though. Even as someone who wants to minimize width, I don't get why dropping the F row is so popular. There's no ergo benefit at all and it would take an incredibly tiny desk for that height difference to matter. It's just giving up functionally for the sake of giving up functionally.  Compact 75% with a numpad/macro pad on the left is The Way, imo. Which reminds me, I need to look for a numpad with a knob I can use for volume control. It is a silly thing, but think I'm gonna miss having that on the main board. Unsinkabear fucked around with this message at 18:37 on Jan 15, 2023 |
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akadajet posted:I touch type numbers on the pad. Laptops are kind of annoying because I don't have the number row in muscle memory. ah, i have the number row in muscle memory from games Blinkz0rz posted:using a layer to access f keys isn’t that bad. took a few days to get used to but honestly i don’t use them that much in general almost a year later i can still barely stand layer access for f keys, and ive de facto dropped a chunk of keyboard shortcuts as an undesirable side effect to this
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I have my F-keys on a layer on my right hand home row keys and the row above and below, numbers on the left hand. Took a minute to get acclimated but now it's as natural as anything else and I've got the layer hold keys on Z and / so I never need to leave the main three rows to hit them.
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InternetOfTwinks posted:I have my F-keys on a layer on my right hand home row keys and the row above and below, numbers on the left hand. Took a minute to get acclimated but now it's as natural as anything else and I've got the layer hold keys on Z and / so I never need to leave the main three rows to hit them. my f keys are on number row, with thumb cluster layer key, and i hate that i have to use layer to access some of the most commonly used keys for >50% of my computer use time
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i just use a regular keyboard instead of chopping off keys for no reason like a complete psychopath
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60% works okay as long as you can map caps lock to fn but it’s admittedly less functional than a regular tenkeyless. I still like mine because it gives me more mousing space when I’m playing a game.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:my f keys are on number row, with thumb cluster layer key, and i hate that i have to use layer to access some of the most commonly used keys for >50% of my computer use time i gotta know what f keys you use that often. like, i’m sure i’m missing some excellent shortcuts ‘cause on my windows machine i basically only use f2 and f4 with others occasionally
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Blinkz0rz posted:i gotta know what f keys you use that often. like, i’m sure i’m missing some excellent shortcuts ‘cause on my windows machine i basically only use f2 and f4 with others occasionally f5
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Blinkz0rz posted:i gotta know what f keys you use that often. like, i’m sure i’m missing some excellent shortcuts ‘cause on my windows machine i basically only use f2 and f4 with others occasionally i just use keyboard shortcuts in various software and games
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Oh F5 I use often enough I have it on a mouse button and also on a key in my regular layer
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Blinkz0rz posted:ctrl-r? bad vibes
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Captain Foo posted:bad vibes wrong take
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Jonny 290 posted:wrong take why tf would i pres 2 butan when i can pres 1
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Captain Foo posted:why tf would i pres 2 butan when i can pres 1 because then you can keep your hands in the same place over the homing keys instead of flying around your desk like you're Mister Miyagi. akadajet posted:is this just an art piece? looks cool, but unusable. I used this board all week. I even got a carrying case so I could tote it back and forth to work. 
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GnarlyCharlie4u posted:because then you can keep your hands in the same place over the homing keys instead of flying around your desk like you're Mister Miyagi. how small are your hands? my index finger reaches f5 from home row
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cinci zoo sniper posted:how small are your hands? my index finger reaches f5 from home row but why would you want to if you can keep your fingers closer? the whole point of smaller keyboards is less reaching
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meanwhile i'm using a layer that's accessible via one of the center cluster buttons on my ergodox to control the mouse with my keyboard. makes browsing a breeze imo and i don't have to move my fingers from the home row
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imagine having all the space in the world but choosing to use what is effectively a bad laptop keyboard. smdh
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Instead of stretching uncomfortably for keys, and instead of making a keyboard smaller and smaller, what they should do is curve the keyboard up and around so you have all the keys you need, but they're all reachable. You could use basically like two bowl shapes with the keys inside the bowl and you could call the keyboard the kinesis advantage 2 for example.
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