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GhostofJohnMuir posted:the guy on the wires didn't climb up onto the wires just to die, he's one of the first lineman (the boots he's wearing are early ppe), back when it was a non-unionized and exploited occupation. in the early days lack of regulation (note the rats nest of wires on that pole) and workers rights (his only protection for the work is a pair of leather boots) led to about 1 in 3 linemen dying on the job Okay, that makes a lot more sense in historical context then. Still looks loving hilarious in the cartoon.
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Killer robot posted:Thing is a lot of those aren't especially sudden when you pay any attention, as shown by how a lot of the examples given in this thread happened over years and never really crossed the love/hate spectrum. Not only was there over a decade between supporting the mujahideen against the Soviets and going to war with the Taliban, the relationship between the two is pretty tenuous since both the winners and losers of the 1990s civil war included lots of people who had fought the Soviets. good points. but if you want some more immediate, turning-on-a-dime examples, see: bowe bergdahl, gina carano going from hated woke feminist to top female conservative movie star, and trump pre-primary to post-primary
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Smaller examples are Lindsey Graham going from enemy #1 to Trump sycophant #1, Robert Mueller being hailed by Gingrich as the perfect special counsel because he's a lifelong republican with conservative bona fides, to being one of the "radical Democrats" trying to deep state Trump, to the current irony of the discourse of LGBTQ people being groomers vs. Andrew Tate being arrested for human trafficking.
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Mr Interweb posted:good points. but if you want some more immediate, turning-on-a-dime examples, see: bowe bergdahl, gina carano going from hated woke feminist to top female conservative movie star, and trump pre-primary to post-primary That's true enough, but an individual's personal reputation with a specific faction turning on a dime because they're convenient to like or hate doesn't really imply that thus too it is true of imperial conflicts. Especially when it comes to a parasocial relationship with someone whose success or failure almost certainly is never going to affect your life.
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Murgos posted:Like how having classified documents was nothing really and now it’s instant jail? Mr Interweb posted:good points. but if you want some more immediate, turning-on-a-dime examples, see: bowe bergdahl, gina carano going from hated woke feminist to top female conservative movie star, and trump pre-primary to post-primary Tesseraction posted:Smaller examples are Lindsey Graham going from enemy #1 to Trump sycophant #1, Robert Mueller being hailed by Gingrich as the perfect special counsel because he's a lifelong republican with conservative bona fides, to being one of the "radical Democrats" trying to deep state Trump, to the current irony of the discourse of LGBTQ people being groomers vs. Andrew Tate being arrested for human trafficking. All of these have obvious explanations and motivations and did not happen without anyone questioning the switch. Indeed, the fact that they're being brought up in this thread as examples of abrupt political switches is a demonstration of people questioning them. Even the switch from "Orwell accurately predicted modern political discourse" to "well it's not totally accurate because Orwell wasn't such a good writer" has an obvious explanation and motive and is a questionable rhetorical strategy. 
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PeterWeller posted:All of these have obvious explanations and motivations and did not happen without anyone questioning the switch. Indeed, the fact that they're being brought up in this thread as examples of abrupt political switches is a demonstration of people questioning them. I disagree. That I question the sudden shift isn’t indicative that the people who are perpetuating the sudden poo poo are questioning it.
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PeterWeller posted:All of these have obvious explanations and motivations and did not happen without anyone questioning the switch. There may very well have been explanations and motives in 1984 as well. I guess we don't know for sure if the other superstates exist because we're only told of them through Party broadcasts, but if they do and the war is real, there have to be strategic motivations and explanations behind switching of alliances. We just aren't told what they are. They also didn't happen without "anyone" questioning the switch. Winston questioned it, and probably others did too, Miniluv was full of thoughtcriminals for a reason. Many others didn't or just didn't care about the wars since it was all lies anyway, like Julia. The state propaganda in the US didn't tell people the real reason we were invading Iraq either, and for obvious reasons. Nobody wants to go die because the aftermath of the breakup of the Soviet Union had left the USA the hegemonic power and US planners believe control of the Middle East and its resources would secure its position against potential competitors and Saddam had outlived his usefulness as an agent of chaos disrupting Iranian power etc etc, right. What were the American people told? That Saddam did 9/11 and if he gets a nuke he's gonna drop it right on your small town high school football stadium. If you asked random Americans right now why we invaded Iraq, how many do you think would give you the real poli-sci reasons, or even know what the Iran-Iraq War was and whose side we were on and where Saddam got his chemical weapons in the first place.
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Republican candidate who had previously spent near 7 years in prison. He was convicted of 19 felonies, including burglary, larceny, contributing to the delinquency of a minor and receiving stolen goods. After all that the NM Republicans though 'Hey this guy sounds like the kinda people we want in office' so they backed him and then he lost. Because, of course, the voting was rigged. So for the past month and a half, NM Democrats/commissioners houses had been shot up on various occasions, the state reps daughter was sleeping in a room and had multiple shots come through the walls. Come to find out this guy not only shot up a few houses himself but had paid 4 other people to also shoot up Democrat residences. He was an avid Trumper. https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1615189926261280771 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSzIkNz_CMM
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Antigravitas posted:And now for something completely different. I don't think there is anyone who is as consistently, confidently wrong about everything he writes about as Allister Heath.      
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Zwabu posted:"Disgruntled" seems a bit understated for whatever this guy is. "Unhinged" seems more accurate to me. These people have been stewing in the pot of RWM way too long. The conditioning has sunk deep and I'm not really sure this guy is nearly as fringe as I'd like him to be.
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That one is pretty spicy because that is exactly the reasoning of a German terror cell uses. They planned to attack important nodes of the German electricity network to cause a blackout, which, through ???, would lead to the collapse of government. Then they would bring the monarchy back.
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You'd think that right-wing terrorists attacking electrical infrastructure and causing blackouts would make people mad at the right-wing terrorists, but hey that's just me I guess.
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Mercury_Storm posted:You'd think that right-wing terrorists attacking electrical infrastructure and causing blackouts would make people mad at the right-wing terrorists, but hey that's just me I guess. Nah, in this country, we reserve our anger for a handful of progressives armed with superglue causing a temporary traffic jam.
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Mercury_Storm posted:You'd think that right-wing terrorists attacking electrical infrastructure and causing blackouts would make people mad at the right-wing terrorists, but hey that's just me I guess. Well the idea was probably to blame it on the government, not to take credit themselves. Italian fascists carried out bombings in the 60s which they blamed on communist groups to turn people against the left for example https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piazza_Fontana_bombing
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VitalSigns posted:Well the idea was probably to blame it on the government, not to take credit themselves. Yeah it's this. They'll destroy infrastructure and then say "see Biden failed, look at this failure everywhere!" That's why it's important to keep news about right wing guys attacking the power grid in the news, why stories about GOP members shooting homes in the news. The GOP is a domestic terrorist organization and we need that point stated LOUDLY so the dummies in the back can hear it
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Was just told by my boss that the reason crab legs are so expensive is because of wokeness. "And no matter what side of the aisle we are on, we can all agree that this is the most environmentally extreme administration in History!" But its okay if I disagree with him, because he saw it on TV somewhere about the regulations and also something about algae blooms. But he doesn't believe anything anyways because the FTC lied about why all the planes didn't fly. It was because of Bitcoin if you didn't already know. I am forced to meet with this man for a 1 on 1 for two hours each week.
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Burning_Monk posted:Was just told by my boss that the reason crab legs are so expensive is because of wokeness. "And no matter what side of the aisle we are on, we can all agree that this is the most environmentally extreme administration in History!" Aren't crab legs getting more expensive specifically because the population figures were juiced for so long that they became unmoored from reality and we just straight up caught them all, cod-style?
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Epic High Five posted:Aren't crab legs getting more expensive specifically because the population figures were juiced for so long that they became unmoored from reality and we just straight up caught them all, cod-style? I believe there's also indication that climate change is pushing them out of their old habitats as well as increasing pressure on population generally. I know that it's affecting Maine's lobstering industry as well.
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Captain_Maclaine posted:I believe there's also indication that climate change is pushing them out of their old habitats as well as increasing pressure on population generally. I know that it's affecting Maine's lobstering industry as well. Yep, 1 billion snow crabs just vanished https://www.independent.co.uk/climate-change/news/alaskan-snow-crabs-missing-fishing-b2205429.html
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Tesseraction posted:Yep, 1 billion snow crabs just vanished https://www.independent.co.uk/climate-change/news/alaskan-snow-crabs-missing-fishing-b2205429.html I specifically brought this up. He "just could not believe any of this stuff the media says". No it's woke regulations because of something he saw on TV he just can't remember where. I even tried going the humanizing route and started talking about Deadliest Catch on TV and how their quotas are cut every year because of less crab being found. But no that's cause of algae, not climate change. Also it's not really happening.
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OgNar posted:Well, when 2 algae love each other... TO BE CLEAR ITS A MAN ALGAE AND A WOMAN ALGAE ONLY!!!!!
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DarkCrawler posted:It's Adam, not Adam and Steve! It wasn't just Adam and Eve. It was Adam, and Eve, and Steve, and Ruth.
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Epic High Five posted:Aren't crab legs getting more expensive specifically because the population figures were juiced for so long that they became unmoored from reality and we just straight up caught them all, cod-style? There was a massive Alaskan crab die off because we're killing the fuckin planet. "Alaskan officials estimate that one billion “missing” crabs represent a drop of 90 percent in population over just two years. Experts say what's happening to crab numbers in the Bering Sea may be a combination of factors, but climate change is first and foremost among those factors."
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Lilith was the crazy hot one that was into moon cycles and blood and Eve was the sensible one that liked to garden Adam settled for 
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I had an environmental sciences class in community College that would model fish population and the effects of fishing. It was an economic game where you would buy fishing boats and spend money sending them out then sell the fish. Being smart rear end 18 year olds my teams strategy was to buy up all the boats and catch all the fish. The end result was the entire population of fish got completely wiped out on season 4 out of 5 and by the end of season 5 every fishing "company" had been bankrupt. At the time the thought was mainly "those dipshits broke the game" but I had no idea how realistic the outcome would be to real life these days.
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Panfilo posted:I had an environmental sciences class in community College that would model fish population and the effects of fishing. It was an economic game where you would buy fishing boats and spend money sending them out then sell the fish. Being smart rear end 18 year olds my teams strategy was to buy up all the boats and catch all the fish. huh, i wonder about your professor's lesson plan around that exercise, because the entire point is that unregulated and growth focused fleets while wipe out a fishery. you're supposed to have the participants play the game, almost inevitably attempt to maximize their fishing fleet relative to the other teams, crash the near-shore and then the far-shore populations (i saw where the exercise was going a little too late and had to convince my team to sell our entire fleet about a round before total collapse, which secured "victory" for our team by going slightly less bankrupt then everyone else). the instructor is supposed to then talk about the need for cooperative consensus building and common caps on fishing fleets to ensure that the entire industry doesn't collapse, and that this is all based off lessons learned in real fishery collapses off the east coast
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GhostofJohnMuir posted:huh, i wonder about your professor's lesson plan around that exercise, because the entire point is that unregulated and growth focused fleets while wipe out a fishery. you're supposed to have the participants play the game, almost inevitably attempt to maximize their fishing fleet relative to the other teams, crash the near-shore and then the far-shore populations (i saw where the exercise was going a little too late and had to convince my team to sell our entire fleet about a round before total collapse, which secured "victory" for our team by going slightly less bankrupt then everyone else). the instructor is supposed to then talk about the need for cooperative consensus building and common caps on fishing fleets to ensure that the entire industry doesn't collapse, and that this is all based off lessons learned in real fishery collapses off the east coast There might have been some collective cynicism that trying to reach a sustainable consensus with people depicted as your competitors is doomed to failure, because while it takes everyone's good faith effort to maintain sustainability it only takes one rear end in a top hat to suck the ocean dry of fish.
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Panfilo posted:Interesting replies in here about conservatives and art. They do create art, it's just universally poo poo.
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Panfilo posted:Interesting replies in here about conservatives and art. Isn't he the guy who draws those grotesque cartoons about him literally groping shrieking feminists until they calm down?
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Skios posted:Isn't he the guy who draws those grotesque cartoons about him literally groping shrieking feminists until they calm down? Yes, he is the dude who 90% of his artwork involves some combination of screaming, molestation, and/or difficult to look at blob faces. People somehow still think this man is talented, even the "Ya gotta hand it to 'em..." folks.
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Epic High Five posted:Aren't crab legs getting more expensive specifically because the population figures were juiced for so long that they became unmoored from reality and we just straight up caught them all, cod-style? No, that is impossible because crabs were put here by Providence for us to enjoy therefore they cannot ever run out.
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