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Tism the Dragon Tickler posted:RD plot had a few extremely glaring problems (lol blood pacts) but was overall pretty good otherwise imo IIRC one of the really bad problems (the Black Knight’s warp powder malfunctioning and creating an inferior copy) was changed in localization (he let Ike win to see him at full strength)
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ROFL Octopus posted:IIRC one of the really bad problems (the Black Knight’s warp powder malfunctioning and creating an inferior copy) was changed in localization (he let Ike win to see him at full strength)  Yeah that's a good change
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Jan 17, 2023 17:58
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All the good stuff in Radiant Dawn was plot beats set up in PoR and all the bad stuff was original for that game. No idea what happened to the staff in between games.
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Jan 17, 2023 18:08
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I like Micaiah and her stupid team.
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Jan 17, 2023 18:11
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJCOoTp6v5I If you wanted a tutorial video, well, here it is.
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Jan 17, 2023 18:15
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Xalidur posted:I like Micaiah and her stupid team. Edward and Nolan are solid units but the fact that Izuka doesnt have a tragic accident after poisoning a party member proves they are bad people.
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Jan 17, 2023 18:22
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I would say rd's plotting isnt great but its writing is really good, if that makes sense. Like, it has a good script.
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Jan 17, 2023 18:22
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Also honestly fe always changes wildly from game to game. FE4 was very popular and was followed by FE5, a mechanically focused game with a less indepth plot. FE5's tone is cool but still. Its part of what makes the series work. We just started with the GBA games which are all basically romhacks of each other which is why we arent as used to this.
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Jan 17, 2023 18:25
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Makes sense to me. Lots of the things happening are very dumb, but they happen with verve. I like Awakening just a little better than Radiant Dawn but they are both in the category of "don't think about this too much, just enjoy the drama." I dig it.
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Jan 17, 2023 18:27
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Honestly having played a fair amount of the game through illegal sorcery i would say the plot isnt really dumb in the way, say, fates, is. I didnt notice any glaring plot holes. the writing is fine, its just purposefully shallow. I'd compare it to a dragon quest game or something, just much more abbreviated.
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Jan 17, 2023 18:29
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Endorph posted:I would say rd's plotting isnt great but its writing is really good, if that makes sense. Like, it has a good script. Boss convos are awesome in RD quote:LEVAIL: I joined the army after I came of age. But it was different after you all left. It was as if you took its spirit with you. The only exception was General Zelgius, the general of Duke Persis's army.
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Jan 17, 2023 18:29
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The one Oliver has with Lehran is good. Essentially "you're horrible why are you still around? Truly we are more hosed than I thought"
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Jan 17, 2023 18:32
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Endorph posted:Honestly having played a fair amount of the game through illegal sorcery i would say the plot isnt really dumb in the way, say, fates, is. I didnt notice any glaring plot holes. the writing is fine, its just purposefully shallow. I'd compare it to a dragon quest game or something, just much more abbreviated. it's a campy saturday morning cartoon which is fine, it isn't offensive like fates or something probably more like awakening really
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Jan 17, 2023 18:32
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Sounds good to me. The Fates Conquest storyline passed the threshold from dumb but enjoyable to so dumb it made my brain hurt, so despite my praise for not worrying about it, things can and have been taken too far before. It's not meant to be a challenge.
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Jan 17, 2023 18:36
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quote:Levail: Duke Tanas! I thought you were executed as a slave trader three years ago.
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Jan 17, 2023 18:37
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lol. I usually lament the lack of supports in FE10 but then I wonder if Oliver getting more lines would be too much. feel like there's Just Enough Oliver to not wear out the joke anyway excited for engage. Done my best to ignore the spoiler tags so still fairly blind going in
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Jan 17, 2023 18:40
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quote:Ike: Hold on a second... Aren't these your men? Why are you fighting them?
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Im on board for fe generally for the plot so the petting zoo minigame is the only thing that can save engage
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Jan 17, 2023 18:42
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i think that if this game's plot is like awakening's, that that is a good thing, namaste
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Jan 17, 2023 18:49
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Sigrun posted:
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Duke Tanas, you seem as resilient as ever. I’ve always wondered how you do it. I take it all is well?
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Jan 17, 2023 19:12
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There's also like All the Edelgard and Lysithea torture poo poo.
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Endorph posted:I would say rd's plotting isnt great but its writing is really good, if that makes sense. Like, it has a good script. Yeah this is a good way to put it, although I will still go to the mat for the plot of Parts 1 and 2. Daein as a post-war occupied power is a really interesting story to explore, and I love how Elincia's textbook Fire Emblem happy ending of the noble restoring their kingdom gets deconstructed. Thing do get real dumb real quick starting in Part 3 though. "Hey Ike can you please help us in kicking off this continent-spanning war that will absolutely set off the medallion? Also in charge of this war is an absolute dullard, like we are expecting him to gently caress this whole thing up, but two guys who absolutely are qualified to be in charge couldn't pencil it into their calendar, for reasons."
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Jan 17, 2023 19:59
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Radiant Dawn has a couple dumb things in it but it owns and I'm glad people are lightening up on it Also Micaiah is good
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Sydin posted:Yeah this is a good way to put it, although I will still go to the mat for the plot of Parts 1 and 2. Daein as a post-war occupied power is a really interesting story to explore, and I love how Elincia's textbook Fire Emblem happy ending of the noble restoring their kingdom gets deconstructed. Thing do get real dumb real quick starting in Part 3 though. "Hey Ike can you please help us in kicking off this continent-spanning war that will absolutely set off the medallion? Also in charge of this war is an absolute dullard, like we are expecting him to gently caress this whole thing up, but two guys who absolutely are qualified to be in charge couldn't pencil it into their calendar, for reasons." every time Skirmir is on screen I am filled with joy because he is entertaining as hell Doubly so when he is interacting with Soren
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Soren flirting with Aimee to get the Silver Card is one of my favorite exchanges in the series
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I'm surprised by how many people dislike Three Houses. It's still my favorite fire emblem and I'm cautiously eager for Engage. It did a lot of things I enjoyed while playing on casual/normal difficulty. I look forward to another casual friendly game to sink way too many hours in.
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Three Houses is an 8/10 that could have been a 10/10, which is in many ways more upsetting than it being a 7/10 would have been.
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I love Three Houses but it is insanely boring to play on anything below Maddening and the game is held together with glue and prayers
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three houses has a lot of gameplay issues and its characters are interesting but the story really struggles to execute on what its trying to do with them
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I fully recognize that, even if I drat it's gameplay issues the most, but it also manages to be my favorite FE for it's characters and themes and the plot it does have. It could be absolutely done way better, and I get how that can get people to knock it, but it's characters make it stand head and shoulders above everything else thus far, and characters of that level of depth are what I'm going to miss the most.
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3H was incredibly ambitious, for good and ill. It was crying out for good DLC, not Cindered Shadows.
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3H also commits the sin of wanting you to play multiple times for the whole pictures but repeat playthroughs being an absolite chore between White Clouds being the exact same 95% and monastery alreadi staying it's welcome by the end of your first playthrough.
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Three Houses wants to be a morally grey conflict and mostly succeeds but just cannot resist adding in a completely evil faction of ugly dudes (with one hot chick) that does all the real bad stuff.
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Hellioning posted:Three Houses wants to be a morally grey conflict and mostly succeeds but just cannot resist adding in a completely evil faction of ugly dudes (with one hot chick) that does all the real bad stuff. And the plot doesn't even need them is the worst part, it could've just been as a result of a power struggle in the empire and them getting their hands on Agarthan technology. That would still foist off a lot of the bad stuff onto a third party, but they'd be a human party with actual ties to the cast at least.
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Cythereal posted:3H was incredibly ambitious, for good and ill. Cindered Shadows was loving fantastic, what the gently caress How are you so aggressively wrong all the time
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Weirdly I never really tired of the monastery the way a lot of other people did, even over four total playthroughs, but at the same time I'm not sad to see that side of things go away. Somniel seems like it's keeping intact the parts that I would have wanted to carry forward (basically just having a home base to run around and sometimes do little side activities in) so I'm happy.
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Eimi posted:And the plot doesn't even need them is the worst part, it could've just been as a result of a power struggle in the empire and them getting their hands on Agarthan technology. That would still foist off a lot of the bad stuff onto a third party, but they'd be a human party with actual ties to the cast at least. My big idea back when 3H was new was that TWSITD should've been a weird political faction/cult within the Empire who were obsessed with ancient Agarthan tech, rather than being actual subterranean-dwelling Agarthans. They could've filled almost exactly the same role during White Clouds, and then just been wrapped into the Empire as an overall entity after the time skip (or purged by Edelgard during the time skip on Crimson Flower) so the focus could stay on the actually interesting conflict in all routes.
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Hellioning posted:Three Houses wants to be a morally grey conflict and mostly succeeds but just cannot resist adding in a completely evil faction of ugly dudes (with one hot chick) that does all the real bad stuff. the crazy thing is the slitherers have a completely reasonable motivation but they never explore that whatsoever
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like solon's design is sick tbh im fine with them being weird pale mole people i just want them to have like 15% more sympathetic writing
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