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Diva Cupcake posted:Time is a flat circle. I told you guys, everyone hates their OC no matter how good they are.
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To be fair, if you don't hate your OC then they're either going to leave in a year or two to get a HC gig, or they'll regress and coast on previous success until they're finally fired. Good OCs don't stay good OCs. They regress to bad OCs or become HCs.
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Jan 17, 2023 21:14
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Unless you're Eric Bieniemy who just uh, remains around. Somehow.
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LiquidFriend posted:Unless you're Eric Bieniemy who just uh, remains around. Somehow. I’m not sure anyone ever even bothered to interview Pete Carmichael.
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YOLOsubmarine posted:I’m not sure anyone ever even bothered to interview Pete Carmichael. I sometimes doubt he's real
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Jan 17, 2023 22:11
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Colts interviewing literally everyone. https://twitter.com/toddarcher/status/1615459603642212352?s=46&t=Z211nJe8ve9x-NSB_Mp-sA
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Diva Cupcake posted:Colts interviewing literally everyone. Desperate attempt by Ballard to find irsay a new drinking buddy so Saturday doesn’t stick around
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Diva Cupcake posted:Colts interviewing literally everyone. I'm convinced they're only doing this so they can hire Saturday and go "see, we did our due diligence"
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Maybe Irsay is really enamored with one of next year's QBs, or he is willing to tank the franchise for the next few years for Arch Manning.
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Benne posted:I'm convinced they're only doing this so they can hire Saturday and go "see, we did our due diligence" I dunno, I don’t think Ballard wants to hire Saturday so he’s either actually doing his job or trying his damnedest to distract Irsay with someone else or just run out the clock until Irsay gets high again and loses focus and Ballard can do what he wants.
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Ballard absolutely does not want to hire Saturday. My guess is Irsay would like to, but won't force the issue if Ballard feels strongly about another good candidate. Not interested in Quinn though.
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mcmagic posted:I told you guys, everyone hates their OC no matter how good they are. Actually for the first time in a while I'm quite happy with the Giants OC Though I'm still unsure how much of this season was on Kafka and how much was Daboll
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Febreeze posted:Actually for the first time in a while I'm quite happy with the Giants OC When Kafka eventually leaves and the Giants offense improves/gets worse by a meaningless percentage, then you'll know you would have won multiple Super Bowls if only Kafka had been fired/replaced Daboll years ago.
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Febreeze posted:Actually for the first time in a while I'm quite happy with the Giants OC Kafka's a Reid guy (only a few years into his career obviously), Dabolls been around forever but I think mostly coaching under Belichick or his extended tree in one fashion or another until he got to Buffalo. Not sure how much that matters one way or the other but I think I might roll the dice on Kafka being a big part of the Giants not being rear end on offense.
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remember the time the Reid-era Eagles tried to make Kafka a QC coach while he was still on the practice squad as a QB so other teams couldn't poach him
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Daboll's had a fairly long career, and is a pretty good reason to give a guy.... a 4th chance. Not quite sure what the Dolphins and Chiefs were doing though. Graduate assistant 97-99 Patriots - Defensive assistant 00-01 Patriots - WR coach 02-06 Jets - QB coach 07-08 <here there be dragons> Browns - OC 09-10 (some of the worst offenses in the league) Dolphins - OC 11 (20th ranked, up from 30th the year before) Chiefs - OC 12 (from 31st to dead last) <demotion time> Patriots - TE Coach 13-16 Alabama - OC 17 Bills - OC 18-21
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Grittybeard posted:Kafka's a Reid guy (only a few years into his career obviously), Dabolls been around forever but I think mostly coaching under Belichick or his extended tree in one fashion or another until he got to Buffalo. Daboll has been with a LOT of teams. Most years accumulated with the Pats, but he bounced around quite a bit.
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If your team is bad it's the OC's fault If your team is good the OC is holding them back
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indigi posted:remember the time the Reid-era Eagles tried to make Kafka a QC coach while he was still on the practice squad as a QB so other teams couldn't poach him Remember when Kafka ran for a then-Big-Ten-Record 217 yards against the Minnesota Golden Gophers.
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Benne posted:If your team is bad it's the OC's fault For the Packers it’s the defensive coordinator
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YOLOsubmarine posted:Daboll has been with a LOT of teams. Most years accumulated with the Pats, but he bounced around quite a bit. Yeah he's definitely bounced around a lot but he's got multiple years other than with Belichick coaching for Nick Saban or Eric Mangini or Romeo Crennell. There's a lot of that coaching tree involved for him. I mean the recent results are excellent, just saying there's a whole lot of that going on here.
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Grittybeard posted:Yeah he's definitely bounced around a lot but he's got multiple years other than with Belichick coaching for Nick Saban or Eric Mangini or Romeo Crennell. There's a lot of that coaching tree involved for him. Yeah, Daboll's a pretty good example of why you need to give ~*retreads*~ second chances, because anyone would want him exiled to siberia after that Browns - Dolphins - Chiefs run, but welp.
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Kalli posted:Yeah, Daboll's a pretty good example of why you need to give ~*retreads*~ second chances, because anyone would want him exiled to siberia after that Browns - Dolphins - Chiefs run, but welp. I mean, he did get demoted and spent 3 years convalescing in Foxboro and then went down to college to prove he could call plays.
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SKULL.GIF posted:I mean, he did get demoted and spent 3 years convalescing in Foxboro and then went down to college to prove he could call plays. When Kingsbury gets back from Thailand he should definitely go on the Saban reclamation tour, it seems to be very lucrative.
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Kalli posted:Yeah, Daboll's a pretty good example of why you need to give ~*retreads*~ second chances, because anyone would want him exiled to siberia after that Browns - Dolphins - Chiefs run, but welp. Sometimes they do actually learn and adapt too. Like for instance, he was never terrible but Dan Quinn does seem to have incorporated some new ideas into the way he runs defenses these days. Not all the retreads are doomed to be mediocre forever. Even for the good ones like Andy Reid sometimes it’s literally just a change of scenery and all the pieces fall into place.
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SKULL.GIF posted:I mean, he did get demoted and spent 3 years convalescing in Foxboro and then went down to college to prove he could call plays. And that's the exact resume we would all (rightfully) make fun of if
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R.D. Mangles posted:Remember when Kafka ran for a then-Big-Ten-Record 217 yards against the Minnesota Golden Gophers. no but now I’m going to look up highlights thanks
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Woozie66 posted:And that's the exact resume we would all (rightfully) make fun of if He spent four years in Buffalo over which Josh Allen went from probably bust to top 3 QB. That seems a lot more relevant than what happened 7 years ago. The issue isn’t really retreads, it’s guys getting fired for being bad and almost immediately getting hired to do the same job somewhere else. Going back down a few rungs and working your way back up is a good thing.
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I wish archive was easier to search, it'd be pretty fun to go see the response to the Dolphins / Chiefs hiring Daboll back then.
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indigi posted:remember the time the Reid-era Eagles tried to make Kafka a QC coach while he was still on the practice squad as a QB so other teams couldn't poach him Your thinking of Nagy in 2009. Kolb had an injury, and the Eagles didn't want to risk Feeley or McNabb in the final preseason game. The NFL let them sign Nagy (who had previously played in the AFL) and then changed their mind the next day. Either because Nagy was technically still under contract to his AFL team, or because the league didn't want teams hiding players in their coaching ranks.
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syzpid posted:Your thinking of Nagy in 2009. Kolb had an injury, and the Eagles didn't want to risk Feeley or McNabb in the final preseason game. The NFL let them sign Nagy (who had previously played in the AFL) and then changed their mind the next day. Either because Nagy was technically still under contract to his AFL team, or because the league didn't want teams hiding players in their coaching ranks. gently caress that was so long ago
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YOLOsubmarine posted:He spent four years in Buffalo over which Josh Allen went from probably bust to top 3 QB. That seems a lot more relevant than what happened 7 years ago. Oh I meant when he was hired in Buffalo. That would be the step we would've all ripped on the hire. He obviously was a worthy candidate last summer.
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Alright, I'm gonna throw up one final update tonight since it looks like Staley and Bowles are staying, and then shift this thread's focus to hiring season. New thread title suggestions while I'm out?
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The Wild Man of YOLO posted:https://twitter.com/diannaESPN/status/1615482713275867137?t=R1zznzcMPesthVvQHt6_ug&s=19 Cool, no more Patriots Way bullshit. 49ers seem to keep a good team together, so I'm happy with this.
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The Football Funhouse › NFL Hot Seat Watch 2023 - Justified executions and unlikely survivals
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Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Staley Alive! This sucks, I know
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The Football Funhouse › NFL Hot Seat Watch 2023 - One way tickets to Thailand ?
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The Football Funhouse › NFL Hot Seat Watch 2023 - Jeff Saturday Is Still An Option
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